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    Following a link on Slashdot re Windows vs Mac share on the internet, I came across some stats which I thought others might find interesting.

    Hitslink collects browser user agent information from 1000's of websites all over the internet, and they have published relative market shares of the various OS's that visit these sites. On this site we are probably more interested in the mobile OS's.


    http://marketshare.hitslink.com/repo...ame=M&qpsp=101

    It shows WM having 0.06% of internet users, whereas Series60 has 3 times less at 0.02%. Garnet is not represented, generally meaning its less than 0.02%

    Interestingly both platforms have seen a recent uptick in web usage.





    However with Symbian shipping nearly 5 times as many devices as WM (67% vs 14% market share) one has to wonder what all the Symbian users do on their devices (which have pretty good browsers). Just make phone calls?
    http://www.canalys.com/pr/2007/r2007024.htm

    By my calculation a WM user is 14 times as likely to browse the internet than a Symbian user. I see using the browser on your device as a good proxy for using the other advanced capabilities, and therefore again suggest that WM users are more likely to use the smart aspects of their device, and Symbian users just using a device with the OS by accident.

    Any thoughts? It will be interesting to see the iPhone stats added to this list in a week or so.

    Surur
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    I wonder if Garnet shows up as another browser. This isn't uncommon. I'm not saying it has much market share though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by braj View Post
    I wonder if Garnet shows up as another browser. This isn't uncommon. I'm not saying it has much market share though.
    I know blackberry gives you the choice to emulate microsoft I.E.
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    Among my friends with Symbian devices (2 x n95, 1 x n93, 2 x n70, 1 x e70, 1 x 7610) not a single one even subscribes to a data plan. Maybe after paying all that money for the phone they don't have any $$ left for a data plan?

    On the other hand, among my WM wielding buddies (Dash, Q, 8125), 2 out of 3 have a data plan and use their on-device browser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surur View Post
    ...and Symbian users just using a device with the OS by accident.
    I expect most owners of say the Nokia N95 neither know nor care what OS it runs. The same is probably true of other high end feature phones too.
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    I hate to sabotage my own argument, but I thought some-one else may have raised it by now. Its quite possible Hitlink is mainly used on English language and American web pages; regions and languages where Nokia may not be as well represented.

    Surur
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    Quote Originally Posted by surur View Post
    Following a link on Slashdot re Windows vs Mac share on the internet, I came across some stats which I thought others might find interesting.

    Hitslink collects browser user agent information from 1000's of websites all over the internet, and they have published relative market shares of the various OS's that visit these sites. On this site we are probably more interested in the mobile OS's.


    http://marketshare.hitslink.com/repo...ame=M&qpsp=101

    It shows WM having 0.06% of internet users, whereas Series60 has 3 times less at 0.02%. Garnet is not represented, generally meaning its less than 0.02%

    Interestingly both platforms have seen a recent uptick in web usage.





    However with Symbian shipping nearly 5 times as many devices as WM (67% vs 14% market share) one has to wonder what all the Symbian users do on their devices (which have pretty good browsers). Just make phone calls?
    http://www.canalys.com/pr/2007/r2007024.htm

    By my calculation a WM user is 14 times as likely to browse the internet than a Symbian user. I see using the browser on your device as a good proxy for using the other advanced capabilities, and therefore again suggest that WM users are more likely to use the smart aspects of their device, and Symbian users just using a device with the OS by accident.

    Any thoughts? It will be interesting to see the iPhone stats added to this list in a week or so.

    Surur
    Awesome info. Thanks for the post.

    Here is my thought:

    Symbian users are mainly in Europe or other countries, where data plans are expensive. Ergo, less web browsing.

    WM users in the US and other places with "cheap" data plans on the web more. Ergo, more web browsing.


    I don't know if this holds, but a thought...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikec View Post
    Awesome info. Thanks for the post.

    Here is my thought:

    Symbian users are mainly in Europe or other countries, where data plans are expensive. Ergo, less web browsing.

    WM users in the US and other places with "cheap" data plans on the web more. Ergo, more web browsing.


    I don't know if this holds, but a thought...
    That's very reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surur View Post
    I hate to sabotage my own argument, but I thought some-one else may have raised it by now. Its quite possible Hitlink is mainly used on English language and American web pages; regions and languages where Nokia may not be as well represented.

    Surur
    Oh, don't feel bad...English sites and American web pages are the only ones that matter, right? ;-)

    (Just in case someone thinks I am serious, that is a joke on the ethnocentrism of the US)
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    Here at WME, the Blackjack is surprisingly well represented:

    1. Internet Explorer 57.03%
    2. Firefox 34.47%
    3. Safari 4.10%
    4. Opera 2.27%
    5. SAMSUNG-SGH-I607 0.54%
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    Quote Originally Posted by septimus View Post
    Here at WME, the Blackjack is surprisingly well represented:

    1. Internet Explorer 57.03%
    2. Firefox 34.47%
    3. Safari 4.10%
    4. Opera 2.27%
    5. SAMSUNG-SGH-I607 0.54%
    That's interesting. Do you have numbers for Treo Central and Phone Different?
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    I looked at the iPhone numbers from last month. The iPhone is 0.04%, Win CE 0.06% and Symbian 0.03%. Its therefore clear that hitlinks measures the American market primarily, which explains all the figures really.

    Surur
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    Garnet and Symbian probably fall under the .07% unknown portion. And I was going to point out the whole "American web page" thing but Surur beat me to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surur View Post
    I looked at the iPhone numbers from last month. The iPhone is 0.04%, Win CE 0.06% and Symbian 0.03%. Its therefore clear that hitlinks measures the American market primarily, which explains all the figures really.
    Are those numbers really right? I know many have said that the iphone has the best mobile browser, but with (probably) less than a million sold that seems like a heck of a lot of hits.

    Pretty amazing if iPhone users really are using the browser that much more than any other mobile user. Anyone with the appropriate data fancy having a go at quantifying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcol View Post
    That's interesting. Do you have numbers for Treo Central and Phone Different?
    TC is mostly IE and Firefox, Phone different is, as you'd expect, Safari. But all three sites aren't exactly representative of the web as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcol View Post
    Are those numbers really right? I know many have said that the iphone has the best mobile browser, but with (probably) less than a million sold that seems like a heck of a lot of hits.

    Pretty amazing if iPhone users really are using the browser that much more than any other mobile user. Anyone with the appropriate data fancy having a go at quantifying?
    iPhone users have to purchase an unlimited data plan with there device, making using the web with their device all the more possible and doable.
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    this is pretty funny and apropos:

    http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/...berry-devices/

    sadly, the same data from WMExperts doesn't reveal anything new. Hm. I'll check tc.
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    TC's user agent results, interesting but no hidden, future Treos anywhere. Here are the top 10:

    1. Internet Explorer 53.81%
    2. Firefox 33.89%
    3. Safari 8.96%
    4. Opera 1.35%
    5. Mozilla 0.56%
    6. Camino 0.34%
    7. Netscape0.31%
    8. Palm680 0.25%
    9. Palm750 0.23%
    10. Mozilla Compatible Agent 0.17%
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    Interesting tidbit. I thought France was anti-MS.

    Smartphones overtake PDAs in France - study
    Published: Wednesday 8 August 2007 | 09:35 AMCET
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    Smartphone sales overtook PDA sales for the first time in France in June, reaching 52 percent of volume shares and according to GfK Marketing. The average selling price of smartphones came down to EUR 363 from EUR 494 in June 2006, and PDAs were selling for EUR 281 million versus EUR 284 million. The market for smartphones and PDAs grew by 18 percent in unit sales and by 15 percent in value compared to June 2006. Windows Mobile OS continues to equip most handsets and 68 percent of smartphones and 53 percent of PDAs. Consumer electronic stores sell 40 percent of such devices and but the market share of telecom specialists has more than doubled versus June 2006. The overall mobile phone market grew by 14 percent in units and by 7 percent in value in June 2007 compared to the year-earlier month. Carrier pack sales rose by 13 percent and out of pack sales by 16 percent year-on-year. The market share of sliders has overtaken clamshell models in under a year.
    http://translate.google.com/translat...&hl=en&ie=UTF8

    Surur
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    Nokia doesn't market 90% of their Symbian phones as smartphones.
    Most people who own S60 phones don't even know what a smartphone is, let alone wanting one (or installing apps, because that just doesn't make sense to them).

    hence, they do calls, write SMS and play the pre-installed games.

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