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    Morningstar - I would love to hear your thoughts on BB8830 coming from a Treo. BTW, what 3rd party apps did you get for 8830? I am especially interestested to see whether you manage to find an address book with functionalities near/similar to Treo's.

    Have a good one.
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    hey morningtstar, what software did you get to replace the ones from the Treo?
    Kyocera 6035 -> Kyocera 7135 -> Palm Treo 600 -> Palm Treo 650 -> Palm Treo 700p -> Palm Treo 755p -> Palm Treo 800w -> Palm Centro ->Palm Pre!
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    Just ordered my BB 8830 and at the same time boxed up my PPC 6800 (Mogul) for return. Im kinda skeptic of the 8830 but its to hard to pass up and not give it a once over. I should have mine either tomorrow or Wednesday so lets see.

    Being once a 6700 user then switching to 700wx it was very hard to get used to the Mogul's slide out keyboard once again, not to mention one handed use.

    Never really used a BB so not sure what to expect other than it has no camera but I can live without.
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    Looking forward to your review. My 6800 will be sent back in favor of my old 755p. HTC just makes terrible phones (but decent PDAs).
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    I find slideout keyboards very bothersome.

    One handed use is a must (and touchscreen), so I guess I'll have to pass on the 8830
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikec View Post
    I find slideout keyboards very bothersome.

    One handed use is a must (and touchscreen), so I guess I'll have to pass on the 8830
    The 8830 does not have a slide out keyboard (or a touch screen). I have both a BB 8700 (side wheel instead of "pearl") and a Treo 650. I don't find the lack of a touch screen in the BB that much of a problem. The primative built in software and lack of 3rd party alternatives OTOH is more of a problem. Blackberrys work best in a corporate environment with a BB server syncing your email and PIM data with the handheld. For personal use, I find the Treo much more flexible. The builti-in phone and SMS apps are better too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KStewart View Post
    That is what I am awaiting...the possability of the Curve coming to Sprint and I am one foot on a banana peal away from jumping ship. I think the 8830 extra size on the Curve could include the combo of EVDO radio and SIM card, don't quote me. I wonder if they could do a world phone with the Curve?

    Believe me, I`m right there with you on this one, Kstewart. My wife and I are seriously considering dumping our treos for the blackberry. Ideally, we`d like to stay with sprint, and Im hearing buzz about a new cdma curve. If that turns out to be true, we`ll hang on a little longer and make the leap then. I`ll be all over it.
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  8. #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by morningstar1844 View Post
    My BB 8830 got misdirected to a summer address, should have it tomorrow!. My 700p post MR has rebooted 10-15 time today. I called my local Sprint store and they have 2 700p's in stock but my friend said he would try to exchange it for the 755p. End result perfect timing. My wife get's the 755 (replaces her 650) and I get the BB. I have already ordered the chargers, one battery and the travel charger. I have downloaded about 15 programs to replace the ones I use on the Treo. So far I am impressed. I wonder does Palm see the hand writing on the wall yet.

    I have seen in researching the BB's that later this year they probably will release a wifi version and also a camera.
    Im chomping at the bit to make the same move you did. I`ll tell you one thing for sure. If Rimm releases a blackberry with wifi and a camera on board, you`d be looking at what would be the equivalent of a torpedo impact to the broad side of palm`s flagship.

    You really do get the feeling that Rimm has Palm squarely centered within the crosshairs with a finger on the trigger.
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    and you guys are prepared to pay the $40/mo BB connection fee associated with the 8830? I have thought about one for a while (dumped my T650 in January for a Q), but I have free PowerVision now and just can't justify going from free to $40 - even if they gave it to me for 1/2, that is still $240/yr. But, if your phone is reimbursed for business....
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    I am right there with you bubbatex. I am not going from $11.34 to $37.78 each month just for data. (educational institution rates for NYS). BB unlimited costs much more on Sprint. It is about the same on Verizon. Sprint is just a much more affordable overall plan for a Treo or WM smartphone than a BB.
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    I have also read (I think it is in HERE) that if you use Exchange, then obviously WM is probably better. I think I am just gonna be a WM guy as my other 2 partners are and we all like "tweaking" things!
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    I've been obsessing over my smart phone choices for the last month or so. Y'all gave me an opening, so I'll indulge in a long ramble about my thoughts . I hope they're useful to someone.

    I got an 8830 on Verizon and tried it for a month. Towards the end of the trial, I also got a Treo 755p, and the BB almost immediately went back. Don't get me wrong, the BB is a wonderful device in many ways, but for me as a long time Palm user, going back to Palm OS was like coming home (this is my first Treo; previously I had a Palm TX). In the end, the flexibility of the Palm platform was more important to me than the very well designed communication functions of the BB. However, the choice does have tradeoffs, depending very much on your needs.

    The 8830 is focused on its email and phone functions, and it does its core tasks extremely well. The instant push email is near flawless and never gave me a moment's trouble (and it works with GMail and Yahoo), in sharp contrast to trying to set up Versamail and getting it to work properly on the Treo. The email, phone, messaging, and contacts components are tightly integrated, and play nicely together. The implementation of thumb board input is also well thought out. For instance, to capitalize, you press and hold a key, no need to find the shift key. It has built word replace as you type. Thus it will instantly correct common misspellings, you can create shortcuts for words you type often, and you can type contractions without apostrophes and it will insert them. It has a built in spell checker, which I find especially important typing on a thumb board, as I make many more mistakes. It's very nice not to have to correct them as I go; the spell check will catch them at the end. The track ball is also very efficiently implemented, and after I got used to it and stopped trying to poke the screen, I didn't miss the touch screen. It's hard to explain how, but it works, and it's sometimes much nicer than having to reach for the stylus all the time. Since it's relatively closed and tightly controlled, the BB platform is also quite stable. All in all, the built in functions are quite elegant, and a pleasure to use.

    However, the closed nature of the BB means it is not intended to be the open, flexible, jack-of-all-trades platform that Palm is, that you can make do almost anything. The BB is a scalpel compared to Palm's Swiss Army knife, great for surgery, which you wouldn't want to try with a pocket knife, but not so good if you also need to open a bottle of wine. Those functions that are not directly related to phone or email are more or less an afterthought. If they exist, they work, but are rather ordinary. For instance, the calendar application is perfectly adequate (and comparable to the built in Palm app), but as a Datebk6 devotee, it felt anemic. More surprisingly, there's no easy way to store Word or Excel files, and no good software to edit them (you can view them when they come as e-mail attachments, but there's not much more you can do with them). With the Palm, if there's a function you want, there's more than likely someone who has written a program to do it, Datebk6 and Documents to Go being two prime examples. The same is not true for the BB. There are very few third party apps, and those that exist tend to be very expensive (there is no datebook replacement for the BB, and the one Word/Excel program costs $100, and I hear it isn't very good). The BB also lacks things like streaming audio or video.

    On the third hand, as a jack of all trades, the Palm can do many things, but it doesn't do any one thing particularly well. Email is a case in point, you can do it, but it feels kind of kludgy. Though the Treo is highly customizable, the Palm requires fussing and tinkering to get it to do all the things you want it to do, and it's also much less stable, so there's a lot more troubleshooting as well.

    So, in conclusion, if you're needs center on phone, email, and to some extent internet, you don't care to much about other functions or third party apps, and you want a solid device that does it's core tasks efficiently, reliably, without muss and fuss, the Blackberry is an excellent choice. However, if you want your phone/handheld also to be an ebook reader, word processor, dictionary, reference source, checkbook register, game console, television, radio, vegetable slicer and dicer, and dish washer, and you're willing to futz to make it work, the Treo may be a better choice. I personally am more the latter than the former, and though I loved the Blackberry for what it could do, there were too many things it couldn't that I missed. I couldn't justify two devices, so regrettably, the BB had to go. However, when I try on my Treo to do the things the BB was good at, I sometimes wonder if I made the right choice.
  13. #33  
    valodya,

    I was/am considering going from a Sprint Treo 700P to a 8830, and your post was an interesting (and rather helpful) read. One thing I noticed is that you listed "e-mail" as one of the things that "feels kind of kludgy" on the Treo.

    Have you ever tried using Chatter e-mail? I know that not everyone has the same needs that I do, but I find that Chatter e-mail works phenomenally well. So much so, that it has now become one of the stronger points for the Treo, and one of the things that I am loathe to give up for the Blackberry.
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    valodya - a very informative post. Thanks!
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    valodya - I agree, a very well-written and informative post.

    For various reasons (none of them good), I carry an E62 (for work email) and a 700p for everything else. If I can arrange it, I want to swap the E62 for the BB Curve. As long as I have to carry two devices, it would be the best of two worlds.
    Palm Pilot-->Handspring Visor-->Treo 300-->Treo 600-->Treo 650-->Treo 700p+E62-->Treo700p+Curve (8300)-->Curve (8330)
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulsjmail View Post
    Have you ever tried using Chatter e-mail? I know that not everyone has the same needs that I do, but I find that Chatter e-mail works phenomenally well. So much so, that it has now become one of the stronger points for the Treo, and one of the things that I am loathe to give up for the Blackberry.
    Chattermail on the Treo is at least as good as BB email in most respects and better in some.
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    My company is evaluating the 8830, 755p and others. See our users feedback here: http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=147598
    Chatteremail is having a significant impact on our users' experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphin View Post
    Morningstar - I would love to hear your thoughts on BB8830 coming from a Treo. BTW, what 3rd party apps did you get for 8830? I am especially interestested to see whether you manage to find an address book with functionalities near/similar to Treo's.

    Have a good one.

    Thanks for responding, the address functions are going to be hard to replace. I did download one search engine but it is slow going thru 2000 records (need to delete 75% of them then maybe the 755 would work smoother. I will try to write in more detail later. I purchased Worldmate Pro but on the BB it does not have the function to create your own trip details. I have purchased Dr. Drugs from Skyscape and it works perfectly; in fact skyscape has released over 90% of their products are now available for the BB devices. They work good, a couple more steps, no lag but a little slow. I can live with it. They have a multi alarm to replace Treo Alarms. They have a check book to replace pocket quicken (haven't installed it yet). I have both Bible programs from Lardian and Olive Tree that work good. I still have another 3 weeks to try the phone out. If it didn't have the extra data plan I will definitely keep the BB 8830. After only 5 days of using it; I go to the 755p to retrieve the data and I find myself trying to use the Treo as a trackball. The phone has a lot to like!! But I as always complain that I shouldn't have to go to another phone to get stability. Palm did wrong by not taking care of it's users. Put the Palm OS on the BB platform and one will have a beautiful phone. My 755 feels like a brick now and when I tried it out a month ago I fell in love with it with the exception of the lag still being present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214 View Post
    Im chomping at the bit to make the same move you did. I`ll tell you one thing for sure. If Rimm releases a blackberry with wifi and a camera on board, you`d be looking at what would be the equivalent of a torpedo impact to the broad side of palm`s flagship.

    You really do get the feeling that Rimm has Palm squarely centered within the crosshairs with a finger on the trigger.


    Just get someone to write the program to use Palm OS programs on the Blackberry interface like they have for the Pocket PC platform!! Palm has to get it's act together! I cannot find post's on the palm blog that I have made recently!! Of course my comments are not so positive!
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    I played with the 8830 because that is what my company is switching to. Not me I am a pee-on and have to pay my own way, but thats a different matter. Anyhow, I thougt I could get used to the trackball and I just couldn't. I much prefer the jog wheel of the older models.
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