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    It here!!

    check out:

    http://www.sonystyle.com/sonystyle/4...4.default.html

    Key Features
    - Palm OS® software
    - Built-in audio player (Compatible with MP3 format)
    - High-resolution color display (320 x 320 pixels)
    - Memory Stick® expansion slot
    - 8MB (internal memory) plus 8MB (Memory Stick® media)
    - Jog Dial™ navigator
    - Video player and image viewer software

    PLUS:
    - USB HotSync® cradle
    - Synchronization with Microsoft® Outlook® and Lotus Organizer
    - Headphones and remote controller supplied
    - Lithium polymer rechargeable battery (built-in)
    - Protective cover
    - Portable AC adapter
    - Free entertainment software
    - Free music from Columbia Records

    - Palm OS® software
    The CLIÉ handheld comes complete with all of the standard Palm OS applications you need for organizing your life. Plus it’s fully compatible with hundreds of add-on applications available for download.

    - Built-in audio player
    Supplied with stylish headphones and remote controller
    Compatible with both MP3 and ATRAC3 audio formats
    Plays audio files stored on Memory Stick® media
    Up to 11 hours of continuous audio playback with a fully charged battery (with LCD turned off.)
    OpenMG™ Jukebox application is supplied to manage digital audio content on your PC.


    - High-resolution color display
    High-resolution screen (320 x 320 pixels) shows images in fine detail.
    Reflective TFT display with front lights for excellent visibility both indoors and outdoors.


    - Memory Stick® expansion slot
    Virtually unlimited and versatile storage for applications, data, and AV content.
    8MB Memory Stick® media supplied.


    - Jog Dial™ navigator
    Access your information on the fly with the easy-to-use Jog Dial navigator (Simply scroll and click.)


    - Video player and image viewer software
    PictureGear™ Pocket applications allows you to view high-resolution digital images on your CLIE handheld.
    Watch video clips in the palm of your hand with gMovie™ video player.
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    Wow!! it can play MP3!! and $499 is a bit high, but not bad...not bad at all!!
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    I think $499 is actually pretty good, considering everything it does better than the m505 at $449. Oddly enough it hasn't turned my eye from the edge like I thought it would. Still, it's a good machine.
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    Unfortunately, when you click on store locator, there doesn't appear to be any stores that carry the 710C. But they made a great decision to have it play MP3 files! I'm going to have to try out one of these!
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    I didn't or couldn't get a ship date by going into the "wish list" area.

    Could be they are trying to hold off the masses if the M505 starts shipping soon.

    What a twisted web is being weaved by these various Palm OS manufacturers. Perhaps when Palm liscencsed the software they should have put in limitations on how early new hardware could be "released" before actually shipping.

    With the Handera unit not shipping for a month, the M500's not shipping for over a month and now an undetermined color Clie what next can we expect from the hardware people.....something similar to Detroit such as listing the new Ford Exploder as a 2002 unit in March of 2001?

    I'll stick with my M505 when it arrives for now because I don't want an MP3 player on a PDA anyway.

    But this board will be a buzz tomorrow when the Monday morning crowd gets going.
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    Originally posted by RSGMOOSE
    Perhaps when Palm liscencsed the software they should have put in limitations on how early new hardware could be "released" before actually shipping.
    Right, that way only Palm could pre-announce vapor-palms instead of everyone doing it.
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    Originally posted by ****-richardson
    I think $499 is actually pretty good, considering everything it does better than the m505 at $449.
    I agree with you there. $500 is reasonable considering the m505 is $450. I wouldn't mind paying an extra $50 bucks for a 320x320 resolution screen and multi-media capabilities. Although I doubt that I will use the multi-media much, it's nice to have that option . The Clie's screen also appears to be brighter than the m505 based on early comparison pictures.

    Brighter screen, better resolution, ability to view indoors and out, built-in audio/video playback, and expansion potential(via memory stick port) clearly makes the PEG-N710C one of the leaders, if not THE leader, in the color handheld market.
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    What I want to know:
    1. What do we call it? the "Clie 2", the "N710", the "Clie N710"...? None of the names sounds catchy like the "Platinum" or the "Edge". How about the "Palm @ss Kicker"?

    But seriously:

    2. How many mb's of flash ROM? The Japanese model has 8mb's of flash ROM(7mb for the user). If the US model retains that amount it would be fantastic. 8mb of internal RAM and ~7mb of flash ROM will give power-users like myself much needed memory. The 64mb memory stick is $140 which is fairly reasonable.

    3. My main concern is the speed. There are reports that the Clie slows down in "high resolution" mode. But I think Sony developed a "patch" that overclocks the hig res mode to make it faster.

    4. Again, the speed of data transfer from memory stick to internal ROM.

    5. I wonder if the Palm OS is 3.5 or 4.0. Most likely is 3.5, but will flashing the 4.0 OS into it be an option in the future? Will the 4.0 OS support the memory stick like the SD card?

    If the speed of the Clie is acceptable, I think I'm going to get one!!

    I wish I know what handspring is planning. Are they going to release a color handheld to compete with the m505?
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    Originally posted by RSGMOOSE
    I didn't or couldn't get a ship date by going into the "wish list" area.
    Palminfocenter has already has an article on the Clie 2. The Clie will be available on May 28!!

    "Sony's site leaves off several important details. However, if the N710C is same as its Japanese counterpart, which seems logical, it is 4.67 x 2.80 x .66 inches and weighs 5.64 ozs. It has the fastest Palm processor currently available, the 33MHz Dragonball VZ, and runs Palm OS 3.5. Sony estimates its battery will last for 15 days of regular use.
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    Originally posted by Fat_Man
    What I want to know:
    1. What do we call it? the "Clie 2", the "N710", the "Clie N710"...?
    I don't like the name 'clie', and especially don't like the way they want us to pronounce it (clee-ay...yeesh!). How about 'SC2'? Sounds kind of like a cross between a techie acronym and a sports car (a la 'm500'). It should also appeal to Stargate 'SG2' fans.


    2. How many mb's of flash ROM? The Japanese model has 8mb's of flash ROM(7mb for the user). If the US model retains that amount it would be fantastic. 8mb of internal RAM and ~7mb of flash ROM will give power-users like myself much needed memory. The 64mb memory stick is $140 which is fairly reasonable.
    I certainly hope they have the same 8MB flash ROM. Does anyone know if Sony plans to provide PalmOS4.0 flash upgrades? Also, do utilities like FlashPro and JackFlash work with it?


    3. My main concern is the speed. There are reports that the Clie slows down in "high resolution" mode. But I think Sony developed a "patch" that overclocks the hig res mode to make it faster.
    I hadn't heard anything about a patch...perhaps we can use afterburner and/or quickbits?


    Will the 4.0 OS support the memory stick like the SD card?
    I think I heard something about Sony's APIs being essentially the same as the PalmOS4.0 expansion memory APIs. I don't know whether or not this means apps developed for PalmOS4.0 will work seamlessly with the SC2.
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    Rob,

    Regarding the "patch" question...I have inquired about the same speed issue on another tread:

    http://discussion.visorcentral.com/v...5&pagenumber=2

    Jason Ho who has the japanese version of the "SC2" was nice enough to answer them...very informative. He was the one that told me about the patch to speed-up the high-res. mode.

    Some interesting specs on the 64MB memory stick:

    -Ultra-small, thin design is ideal for use in small digital AV electronics products such as the Sony Digital Handycam® Camcorder (DCR-TRV900)

    - Up to 64MB of Storage Capacity

    - Rugged 10-pin connector ensures foolproof insertion, easy removal, and reliable connection

    - Small size, and light weight (only 4 grams)

    - 1.5MB/sec. Write Speed; 2.45MB/sec Read Speed

    -Erasure Prevention Switch helps prevent stored data from accidentally being erased

    - Original Serial Protocol ensures forward compatibility with higher compatibility with higher capacity models to be developed in the future

    Hmmm...the 1.5MB/2.45MB per sec write/read rates seem pretty fast. I wonder how these rates compare to the write/read rates of SD cards, MMC cards, and CF cards?
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    N710C won't have 8 MB flash rom. The 8 flash rom is mainly to hold Hi-Res Kanji characters set. They occupy lots of space. Just like 300 has 2MB flash, but 300 and 500 Japanese version has 4 MB flash. If SONY want to save every penny, N710C will still only have 2MB flash. Said that, it's doing the same work. So if you need 8 MB flash, go buy a Japanese model. It's actually cheaper without shipping.
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    Originally posted by Fat_Man
    Hmmm...the 1.5MB/2.45MB per sec write/read rates seem pretty fast. I wonder how these rates compare to the write/read rates of SD cards, MMC cards, and CF cards?
    Actually, that's about the same speed as MMC. If I remember correctly, Handspring flash modules are 10MB/11MB per sec, and the max. speed of SD is also around 10MB/sec, although currently available SD cards from Palm are nowhere near this top speed yet (still at around 2MB/sec)

    Originally posted by digitalhand
    N710C won't have 8 MB flash rom. The 8 flash rom is mainly to hold Hi-Res Kanji characters set. They occupy lots of space. Just like 300 has 2MB flash, but 300 and 500 Japanese version has 4 MB flash. If SONY want to save every penny, N710C will still only have 2MB flash. Said that, it's doing the same work. So if you need 8 MB flash, go buy a Japanese model. It's actually cheaper without shipping.
    It's too bad if this is true. The extra flash ROM space would be great if we could access it using FlashPro. I'm not sure whether it's worth losing MP3 ability and having a Japanese graffiti silkscreen area (and needing a power adapter) just so I can have it, though...
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    Fat Man - caught that thread to PalmInfocenter before checking this thread this morning. Thanks for the heads up.

    The Clie looks pretty good and I don't want to get to far off topic here but here is an article at PDA Geek that talks about the M500 SD cards as being somewhat proprietary.

    With so many manufacturers out there using Palm OS 3.5 and now 4.0 - how will the software developers stay up with this. Even the Handspring 3.5.2 OS has some minor conflicts with it. I'm not here to discourage or claim that one hardware unit is better than another but now I'm concerned about different platforms causing user problems.

    No matter what hardware you end up with - you might have to have a lot of patience in order to tweak through any software glitches created because of a jog wheel, or Handera Wheel or silent alarm versus an vibrating alarm.....stay tuned.
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    I won't say the $500 price tag is too high, but I was a bit surprised. The Japanese version is only about $400 US if I remember correctly. Plus they have the extra 6MB of Flash RAM. I guess I was just hoping Sony would be moving the Palm platform forward in terms of features as well as price.
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    http://odin.prohosting.com/fujima/n700c.shtml

    This site has by far the most thorough review and impression of the Japanese Clie PEG-N700C that I have read thus far. The review is in English, and covers most of the important issues: screen resolution(at 160x160 and 320x320), speed, memory stick access, and music palyback (althought the N700C can't play MP3's).

    I found that the information was kinda....troubling . The speed of the unit and the speed in accessing apps and databaes stored in the memory stick are very unsettling IMHO.

    "While most programs run quick enough for me, I still get pauses of 13 seconds when I tap on Apps from a program to get back to the Launch'em launcher. It takes about 5 seconds to get back to the standard launcher."

    13 and 5 seconds? That is unacceptable!!! Although Sony later developed a patch to overclock the Clie (see article), this is very disturbing news.

    Have to definitely wait for a review of the N710C before buying.
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    >To be able to play music, one needs a Magic Gate Memory Stick version, which is quite a bit more
    >expensive than the normal Memory Sticks

    I wonder if this means you can't play music directly from the SC2's RAM? I know that you can't store much music in 8MB, but it would be nice if you could at least test the MP3 playback without investing in a $100+ Magic Gate Stick...

    >The N700C is supposed to have an 8 Meg flash rom, but the FlashPro version that came with my older
    >Palm could not recognize the N700C flash rom. I tried several other FlashPro versions, but
    >none of them recognized the N700C flash rom either.

    This is a concern, especially if you have a unit with 8MB of flash rom. It's not at all certain that Trg would update their FlashPro s/w to handle the SC2 (does it work with the original Clie?) Maybe Brayder Tech would be willing to update JackFlash if there are enough requests...

    >I discovered that you could use the OpenMG Jukebox software to access the Memory Stick
    >directly!

    This is cool, although since I have a VAIO with a memorystick slot, I suppose I wouldn't need to use this workaround to copy directly to the memorystick.
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    There is a review of the PEG-N710C here:

    http://www.red-mercury.com/index.html

    According to them the unit is as fast as a Prism.

    "The first thing we noticed about the PEG-N710C was that the user interface was NOT slow. The original color Palm, the IIIc, was noticeably sluggish when refreshing the display. This was to be expected, since the IIIc hardware was the same speed as the Palm Vx, but with a color display, there was more data to be moved around. The N710C doesn't suffer this sluggish fate, even when running in high resolution."

    By the way, Sony has offically release the Clie PEG-N710C.

    http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/clie/
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    I wonder about movies..

    I have a digital cam w/ a stick, and I think I can record movies on that...
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    Originally posted by Fat_Man
    There is a review of the PEG-N710C here:

    http://www.red-mercury.com/index.html

    According to them the unit is as fast as a Prism.

    "The first thing we noticed about the PEG-N710C was that the user interface was NOT slow. The original color Palm, the IIIc, was noticeably sluggish when refreshing the display. This was to be expected, since the IIIc hardware was the same speed as the Palm Vx, but with a color display, there was more data to be moved around. The N710C doesn't suffer this sluggish fate, even when running in high resolution."
    This is very encouraging, as you would expect an established PalmOS game developer such as Red Mercury to be well informed about such issues. If other game developers such as Astraware get on board, this could be very exciting...
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