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    >It has a 4MB flashable ROM.

    While not as good as the 8MB on the Japanese version, at least it's better than 2MB, plus it makes it possible to upgrade the OS to a SC2-enhanced version of PalmOS 4.0, so all those apps being developed to take advantage of the expansion memory APIs will hopefully be able to run seamlessly on the SC2.

    >The N710C plays both native MP3 and encoded-ATRAC3 audio files. It reads digital audio files directly from
    >the supplied 8MB Memory Stick

    It's nice that they are including a Memory Stick so you can try out the MP3/ATRAC audio playback. Sure, 8MB isn't going to hold much, but on the Japanese version they didn't include any Memory Stick.
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    - Can apps be directly launched from the Memory Stick or do they have to be copied into internal RAM?
    - what's the difference between Memory Stick and Magic Gate Memory Stick? I know that the latter offers some copyright protection but what does that mean? Can only ATRAC audio files be played from the latter but not mp3s? The obvious solution to this would be simply to use the normal Memory Stick with your mp3s. Unless, of course, regular Memory Sticks can't play audio files at all...
    - does the USB cradle recharge the battery?

    anyone preordered a unit? I'm very tempted!

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    >Can apps be directly launched from the Memory Stick or do they have to be copied into internal RAM?

    From what I've gathered by reading other forums, the software that comes with the SC2 isn't good for
    much more than moving files back and forth. However, there are a number of different 3rd party apps
    such as MSMount and PowerLaunch that do things like automatically move apps from the Memory Stick
    to main memory and then delete them when you exit (like the PalmOS4.0 launcher does). The big question
    for me is whether apps that have been modified to directly read/write databases on MMC/SD cards via the
    PalmOS 4.0 expansion memory APIs will be able to access dbs on a MemoryStick without modification. If
    not, then Sony's dead, because developers will generally not want to support multiple APIs.

    >what's the difference between Memory Stick and Magic Gate Memory Stick? I know that the latter offers some
    >copyright protection but what does that mean? Can only ATRAC audio files be played from the latter but not
    >mp3s? The obvious solution to this would be simply to use the normal Memory Stick with your mp3s. Unless, of
    >course, regular Memory Sticks can't play audio files at all...

    Well, for us consumers the practical differences are that the MGMS are more expensive and more of a pain to use (some kind of elaborate check in/check out scheme designed to prevent all us pirates^H^H^H^H^H^H^H consumers from copying songs/files OUT of the memory stick). However, now that the US version of the Clie allows you to use plain MP3s plus they ship with a normal (not MG) memory stick, perhaps we don't have to worry too much about that.

    >does the USB cradle recharge the battery?

    I believe the charger plugs into the USB cradle, but can also plug directly into the SC2 (so you can also use it as a travel charger)

    >anyone preordered a unit? I'm very tempted!

    I pre-ordered, because I want to check out how 320x320 w/ 256 colors compares to 160x160 w/ 64K colors (for a number of different functions: reading e-books, web surfing, playing games, photos, ...)
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    Originally posted by JRocken
    - what's the difference between Memory Stick and Magic Gate Memory Stick? I know that the latter offers some copyright protection but what does that mean? Can only ATRAC audio files be played from the latter but not mp3s? The obvious solution to this would be simply to use the normal Memory Stick with your mp3s. Unless, of course, regular Memory Sticks can't play audio files at all...
    Well, here's the definitive answer:

    http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/clie/p...c_story_01.htm

    >The new CLIÉ™ handheld plays both MP3 and ATRAC3 audio files. Download music on your PC,
    >store the audio file on Memory Stick® media* and then enjoy your favorite music on your new
    >CLIÉ™ handheld!
    ...
    >*8MB Memory Stick media supplied. Supports ATRAC3 secure audio content when used with
    >MagicGate Memory Stick (sold separately).

    By the way, does 'ATRAC' remind anyone else of '8-track'? Or am I just dating myself by admitting
    I've used 8-tracks before?
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    Originally posted by Rob
    The big question for me is whether apps that have been modified to directly read/write databases on MMC/SD cards via the PalmOS 4.0 expansion memory APIs will be able to access dbs on a MemoryStick without modification. If not, then Sony's dead, because developers will generally not want to support multiple APIs.
    Here's a response I got from Scott over at Red Mercury about this topic:

    >Rob -
    >Actually, we haven't played with the memory stick much, but our understanding is that Palm's own
    >MMC/SD file system is based off the original work done by Sony for the memory stick in the first CLIEs.
    >So, to answer your question (instead of just saying we don't know), we tried it out. We loaded a
    >doc onto the memory stick, made sure it was gone from main memory, then ran PalmReader. It
    >listed the doc automatically, and we were able to view it directly off the memory stick.
    >
    >We also tried auto-running PalmReader off the memory stick, that worked too.
    >So I think you're in business.
    >
    >>Scott,
    >>Since you guys seem to have been working with Sony's SDK for a while, can you tell us if apps
    >>modified to use PalmOS 4.0 expansion memory APIs will work transparently on the Clie2 with
    >>a Memory Stick? For example, PalmReader (formerly known as PeanutReader) can already read
    >>docs directly off an MMC/SD card in a Palm m50x. Will this application read docs off a Memory Stick
    >>without modification?
    >>
    >>Thx in advance,
    >>Rob

    This is great news, since it means that developers working on updating their apps to take advantage of PalmOS4.0 expansion memory are also taking advantage of SC3.5.x MemoryStick expansion at the same time.
    Palm and Sony really did this the right way. With Palm also rolling Handspring's 16-bit color advances into the
    PalmOS, this should give developers (esp. game developers) a lot of confidence in taking advantage of Sony's
    320x320 high resolution screen, knowing that they won't have to re-code when Palm eventually rolls high-res into
    PalmOS5.0 (or whenever they do it)
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    Thanks Rob, that is great news!!

    So we now know that programs can be auto-run from the memory stick and databases can be access directly from the stick. Kinda amusing that palm's SD slot were based on sony's memory stick slot.

    So I guess there's little need to upgrade to OS 4.0, since one of the main features of OS 4.0 the ability to access SD slot actually came from Sony...I would think that Sony would have already incorporated this feature into their current OS. Maybe?
    Fat's
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    Originally posted by bkbk
    You're avatar is unbelievably great, lennonhead.
    Thanks .



    Rob-
    Let us know how your comparison goes between the Clie and the Prism!
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    just read the "review" on http://odin.prohosting.com/fujima/n700c.shtml
    found some troublesome descriptions like, quote, "the old style memory sticks can not be used to play back music". Also, accessing files and apps on the memory stick seemed to be not as smooth as Scott from RedMercury described. Or at least it requires additional software...
    but maybe the US and japanese versions are different??? only time will tell!
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    Originally posted by JRocken
    just read the "review" on http://odin.prohosting.com/fujima/n700c.shtml
    found some troublesome descriptions like, quote, "the old style memory sticks can not be used to play back music". Also, accessing files and apps on the memory stick seemed to be not as smooth as Scott from RedMercury described. Or at least it requires additional software...
    but maybe the US and japanese versions are different??? only time will tell!
    We already know that there are some differences in the two. For example, the English version has only 4MB flash ROM (instead of 8MB), has a different graffiti area silkscreen (no special japanese kanji sections), comes with an 8MB Memory Stick, and can play MP3s natively (japanese version only plays ATRAC formatted music). We'll have to see if there are any improvements in terms of speed and accessing apps/dbs from the MemoryStick.
  10.    #31  
    Hey Rob, didn't you just get a m500 the other week?

    The Red Mercury review has eased my concerns regarding the speed of the SC2. The hardware video accelerator was pretty cool, I wonder if this was a new addition to the N710C model? I have not heard anyone mentioning this feature with the N700C model, people just said the Sony had a patch that overclocks the unit.

    "One of the most exciting, yet least known, advances with the N710C is the addition of hardware video acceleration. Common user interface actions such as drawing fonts and erasing the screen are accelerated in hardware by the video controller. Because of this acceleration, the user interface is quite snappy. The acceleration happens automatically with Palm OS applications - no special modifications are necessary, so older Palm OS applications will be just as snappy in high resolution mode."

    Went I read the fujima review of his N700C last night, I was really discourage about the speed, but apparently Sony has corrected the speed issue...maybe. I wonder what the BrenchMark for the SC2 is?

    Another concern that I had was the ease of access to the memory stick, and apparently that has been solved too.

    You may have company Rob, cause I think I may join ya. Hey want to start "ClieCentral"?
    Fat's
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    Originally posted by Fat_Man
    Hey Rob, didn't you just get a m500 the other week?
    Yes, but after playing with it a few days I returned it.

    You may have company Rob, cause I think I may join ya. Hey want to start "ClieCentral"?
    Well, the Clie could definitely use a better forum than the one at PalmBlvd, but even if I end up using a Clie, I'll still hang out here at VisorCentral...I like the company.
  12. #33  
    Check out this: http://www.sonystyle.com/micros/clie...dioplayer.html

    Do you see that MP3 player screen?
    Graphical analyzer, almost better than Winamp !!!

    Does anyone know when Sony will release the SC2 in Europe? Want one, too...
  13. #35  
    Originally posted by RSGMOOSE
    With the Handera unit not shipping for a month, the M500's not shipping for over a month and now an undetermined color Clie what next can we expect from the hardware people.....
    I thought the HandEra was going to start shipping May 1st (yesterday)
  14. #36  
    Originally posted by dshorter


    I thought the HandEra was going to start shipping May 1st (yesterday)
    I spoke to a book store that thought they might get a shipment of 20 HE330's this week. I want to see one!
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    How do you get an ATRAC file on the Clie? Does the OpenMG Jukebox program convert CD/wav into ATRAC files, which can then be loaded up? Is there any software or solution out there for getting ATRACs from Minidiscs onto the Clie? Why do I have so many questions?
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    Originally posted by dalamar70

    >How do you get an ATRAC file on the Clie?

    You use the included desktop to create ATRAC files from a CD or MP3s (I think).

    >Does the OpenMG Jukebox program convert CD/wav into ATRAC files, which can then be loaded up?

    Yup...and if I remember correctly, there's a whole separate software package included to handle converting and installing MP3 files.

    >Is there any software or solution out there for getting ATRACs from Minidiscs onto the Clie?

    I've never heard of one...what would you use to connect your Minidisc player to your PC for recording/converting?

    >Why do I have so many questions?

    Probably some neuro-chemical imbalance...a full frontal lobotomy should take care of it.
  17. #39  
    Originally posted by dalamar70
    How do you get an ATRAC file on the Clie?...
    Do you mean 8-track?

    j/k
    -Joshua
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  18. #40  
    It seems there's always a catch. . .

    Does anyone know about the feasibility of upgrading the Color Clie (CC) to PalmOS 4.0?

    My understanding is that it has memory management software to allow better access to memory peripherals, like MS/CF/MMC.

    I need more flash memory. I've maxed out my 24 MB (8MB + 16MB module) with med books. Yikes.

    If this is what their doing with PalmOS 3.5, I can't wait for OS 5 and upgraded processing power! Hopefully, they'll figure out some sort of cold-fusion battery source though to make up for the battery drain.
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