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    I am trying to figure out what handheld to buy next, and was wondering why you bought a Palm over anythign else.

    If you could, please list the reason that made you go with a Palm device over the other ones that are available such as Pocket PC.
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    A while ago, I bought a Casio EM-500. Since I was searching for the right PDA for me, I kept a pro/con list to help me decide if I should keep it and make it my primary PDA. After a month of using it, I decided that even though I liked the Casio, I preferred a PalmOS PDA. I still have the old list on my PDA, so here it is:


    Casio EM-500: Pros/Cons

    PROS
    display, display, display - LOVE it!
    - text looks wonderful!
    - beautiful pictures/video
    LOUD alarms
    - with a flashing light if the alarm is missed
    removable (rechargeable) battery
    - can carry spare when electricity is not available
    use stylus to reset (no paperclip / unscrewed stylus required)
    Peanut Reader has a WinCE version!
    - w/ changeable fonts/sizes & colors for the text and background! (Hey, this is VERY important to me.)

    Cool, but not necessary stuff:
    Pocket Word
    - used once in almost a month
    - ?: can PW handle MACROS? Hmmm...
    Pocket Excel
    - looked at several of my files (great in color)
    plays music
    voice recording

    CONS
    4-5 hours for full charge!!!
    HAD to read manuals
    sometimes ActiveSync doesn't work - have to keep plugging/unplugging cable to PC
    PIM: allocate app.memory/storage "There is not enough memory to complete the operation you are attempting. Increase program memory and try again." Grrr... very annoying. Why can't the system always treat memory as memory and take whatever it needs from whatever is available? (PalmOS has spoiled me here...)
    PIM: I personally don't care for Outlook, so I don't like *having* to use it because PPC's only sync with Outlook (What about my Lotus?)
    stock stylus - almost too light... but OK (Not really an issue because I usually use a full-size pen/stylus)
    ? How to close applications/turn "off" jobs/multitasking? (not automatic)
    -Solution: [Asked PDABuzz folks.] 3rd party Task Mgr like PocketNav (which I *do* like)
    have to turn unit off to load MMC - no "plug 'n play"
    (yes, I'm nitpicking here...) tiny cover for USB connector on bottom of unit comes all the way off - easy to lose (was this for shipping purposes only??)
    reset a lot
    side buttons:
    - keep pressing recorder by accident (changed button to something else)
    - keep turning unit on by accident when I pick it up
    unit gets *slightly* warm near backup battery ~~
    can't change volume w/o tapping several times (I personally think that any PDA that plays music should have some sort of volume control on outside of unit)
    music skips when system is busy/ too many tasks open (just like a PC)
    Peanut Reader (favorite program) can't rotate screen like the PalmOS version can, so unit is not very comfortable to hold during long reading sessions


    It did spoil me for color, so I sold my Deluxe to a co-worker and bought a Prism. It's not perfect, but I really like it.

    I originally bought a Visor because that's what some of my co-workers had, so I got to play with them. Now, it's basically the Palm operating system that keeps me.
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    The only problem I have about the WinCE is where did you find the software for it?

    Did you find any sites for WinCE similar to freewarepalm.com???

    I was looking at the Casio E-125 which is basically the same thing as yours, except a little bigger, 32mb Ram, and a CF Slot....all for $430, only $50 more then the E500.

    Where you able to find any <gasp!> warez or cracks <gasp!> for the WinCE software? I like to try out full version before I spend $20+

    Thanks for that list!!! It was awesome!!!
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    1. I can synch a PalmOS device with my computer. (PocketPC has no MacOS support)
    2. At the time, PocketPC devices were significantly larger and heavier than PalmOS devices.
    3. Wince seems really clunky. I figured out everything about my PalmOS devices without needing to read an instruction manual. Whenever I try a wince device in a store it just seems really difficult to get it to do anything.
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    Originally posted by yaz320
    The only problem I have about the WinCE is where did you find the software for it?
    Actually, I didn't load 3rd-party software on it. (except PocketNav) I wanted to make sure that I could first use the main PIM programs before I spent more money on software.
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    By now I'm sure that most VC regulars can recite my diatribe from without reading further . . .

    I hate, hate the interface. Many times I find myself at Staples or Fry's, see the iPaq's lovely hi-res screen, think about the extravagant feature set, and try to convince myself, "Maybe this time it'll be different." So I go over to try pulling up some record on it, try entering text into it (with Transcriber and Graffiti mode), and just try navigating my way around the system in general, and it always takes three times as long to get anything done. Despite my conscious attempts to suspend prejudgement, my dislike for the UI usually manifests itself within the first 20-30 seconds. I'm fully aware that I need to spend more time with PPC to get used to it (although I had a Jornada review unit for 10 days, and I had the same problem with the Newton OS, which I used for two years), and I'm fully capable of getting around the OS, but I get this sense of suspended animation compared with the PalmOS that feels like excess baggage. Bottom line: it's not compatible with my body rhythm.

    There's no question that the screen on Palm devices is mediocre, but for me, that's a small price to pay for the instant gratification that I get from using the PalmOS. If Microsoft can make an easy-to-use interface, I'll be all over the PPC, but until then, I'm happy with my Visor.
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    I just played with a Casio in the store yesterday for the first time. Unfortunately they were all next to each other and I couldn't figure out if it was the E-125, E-500, or whatever.

    The screen is definitely nice, both color-wise and size-wise. I didn't think the apps were very intuitive, but then again I've been using my Visor for long enough now that may have skewed me. I really really liked seeing my pen strokes in the handwriting recognition system. Unfortunately I kept trying to write Graffiti out of habit (I hate that, especially when I'm using pen and paper) so I had less than optimal recognition rates. The jog dial is nice.

    So after 5-10 minutes, I thought the Casio had potential and it definitely doesn't suck. But I'd need a lot more time (thanks Narnia ) to make a better evaluation. And when all was said and done, I'd probably still stick with my Vdx because until I'm rich the Casio's 2-3x price tag probably isn't worth it.

    [Oh yeah, the voice recorder didn't seem to work. Or rather it appeared to record, but the playback button was never subsequently active. Bad UI? Not sure, but voice recording is one of the "multimedia" apps that I would be interested in (more than MP3 or movie playback).]
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    I've played with a Compaq iPAQ, and I pretty much reflect some of the same sentiments already expressed here. The screen was gorgeous, and seeing the text strokes echoed back to you was nice, but not necessary (I don't miss it).

    In the first 10 min playing with it, I managed to get a display anomoly (I couldn't get the "slider bar" for the recorder to go away. It appeared on every screen.)and to crash the system, requiring a reset. It took me weeks, if not months to get that with my VDX. I also found it took longer to get things done (as previously noted here) And I wasn't overly enthused with the UI. I did like the "Today" screen, which showed you your appointments, etc. for the day.
    The battery life also left me disappointed The lack of a real battery alert, left me cold. I saw the little icon in the corner, notifying of a low battery, but I never saw a warning box telling me the batteries were low. (Like on the Palm OS) The little icon would be easy to miss. I also didn't like how the iPAQ didn't shut itself off to keep from draining the battery completely. The screen just eventually faded away as the batteries died.

    Finally, while the iPAQ, without its expansion sleeve, is roughly the same size as my VDX, it did weigh more. The additional bulk of the sleeve, kind of ruined the pocketablity of the iPAQ. Since my VDX lives in my front pants pocket, this is crucial to me. I'm not really interested in carrying my PDA on my belt or in a seperate bag. It reduces its use to me, and increases the likely hood of it being lost.

    I will admit, using the iPAQ has left me pining for a color screen. Now if we could just get Handspring to to put an iPAQ type screen in a VDX/Platinum or Prism case.... Overall, it was nice eyecandy, but for getting something done, I'll stick with my Visor.
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  9.    #9  
    I think Sony needs to hurry up...we all want:

    -320*320 screen!!
    -SOUND WHERE IS THE SOUND????

    But where is our standardized memory??? No more memory sticks or flash modules...they aren't up to par.

    Why can't we have something better then 33mhz...why don't they put in Dual Processors If you can do it on a desktop...put it in a Palm.

    OS 5 better do all this stuff or PPC 4.0 Is gonna be a killer...MS is on the right track and is not giving up any time soon....
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    Originally posted by yaz320
    I think Sony needs to hurry up...we all want:

    -320*320 screen!!
    -SOUND WHERE IS THE SOUND????

    But where is our standardized memory??? No more memory sticks or flash modules...they aren't up to par.

    Why can't we have something better then 33mhz...why don't they put in Dual Processors If you can do it on a desktop...put it in a Palm.

    OS 5 better do all this stuff or PPC 4.0 Is gonna be a killer...MS is on the right track and is not giving up any time soon....
    It seems to me that you ahve already made uo your mind. instead of dwelling on whether you should get a PPC or not. Why not get it and test it fro yourself? Don't these stores have return policies? you can get it for a week and see if it is for you.
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    It seems to me that you ahve already made uo your mind. instead of dwelling on whether you should get a PPC or not. Why not get it and test it fro yourself? Don't these stores have return policies? you can get it for a week and see if it is for you.
    There is no software for it...it is all pay for the full version because we don't have a shareware version.

    If it is freeware there is a large chance they won't have it for you because there are 3 different processors.

    As soon as Palm OS 4.0 comes out MS is going to come back with a new version of PPC and will hopefully put an X in the corner to close programs.

    www.freewarepalm.com there is no www.freewarepocketpc.com

    'nuff said.
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    Originally posted by yaz320

    There is no software for it...it is all pay for the full version because we don't have a shareware version.
    What software are you looking for? I was under the impression the PocketPCs came with standard PIM programs, Media Player for MP3s/WMAs/AVIs, Microsoft Reader... In any case, if PocketPC takes off, then more free software should become available... soon.

    Now you know what it feels like to be a Mac user, with limited or non-existent support from a lot of software companies!

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    If you could, please list the reason that made you go with a Palm device over the other ones that are available such as Pocket PC.
    Three words. Mac n tosh

    Besides, the wince environment just seems so clunky.
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    Palm OS usability is much better. You don't required a 206 MHZ processor to access your callendar instantly, look up and phone number or launch a cool app.
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    Now you know what it feels like to be a Mac user, with limited or non-existent support from a lot of software companies!
    Thats why you buy a PC

    What software are you looking for? I was under the impression the PocketPCs came with standard PIM programs, Media Player for MP3s/WMAs/AVIs, Microsoft Reader... In any case, if PocketPC takes off, then more free software should become available... soon.
    There are hardly any games...no neat-o software like omni remote...

    All new software like Adobe Acrobat Reader comes out on Palm first.

    All the new accessories are made for the Palm First.

    When is the next version of Pocket PC coming out?
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    Originally posted by yaz320
    please list the reason that made you go with a Palm device over the other ones that are available such as Pocket PC.
    With the preamble of "your mileage will vary"...

    In general order of importance:

    1) Met my primary needs for a PDA (organizer/PIM)

    2) Simple, consistent and effective UI for a PDA (see various speeches by Jeff Hawkins for examples). Re: Pocket PC UI (and many Linux PDA UIs) -- I find overlapping windows foolish for devices with current PDA screen sizes and resolutions.


    3) A selection of good and usually excellent applications for the primary things I wanted to do on my PDA (datebk4, action names, etc. for PIM work.)

    4) Hardware and software very affordable.


    5) General distrust of Microsoft OS stability (after writing Windows application software for ~12 years, I have reason to.)

    6) Personal bias and prejudice (General dislike of Microsoft practices and sloppy engineering.)


    ----
    Well, you asked.

    Disclaimer: If the Pocket PC had usability and useful (to me) features that completely blew away the Palm OS, I would have suspended reasons #5 and 6 and gotten it (plus I would have revised the opinions stated there.) But after trying out a friend's Ipaq for a few days (before he sent it back), that is not the case.
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    Originally posted by yaz320

    Thats why you buy a PC
    And there's your reason for choosing Palm over PPC!

    Funny how it seems like Palm users are asking for more/better hardware, while PPC users are asking for more/better software.
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    Originally posted by yaz320
    If you could, please list the reason that made you go with a Palm device over the other ones that are available such as Pocket PC.
    1. the number of applications available for Palm (and the prices they are at ). {Palm 1, PPC 0}

    2. more suitable for what I was looking for (a PIM/organizer). {Palm 2, PPC 0}

    3. I took a look at the price tags. {oh heck, this killed PPC by itself}
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    And there's your reason for choosing Palm over PPC!

    Funny how it seems like Palm users are asking for more/better hardware, while PPC users are asking for more/better software.
    This is how the battle between IBM and Apple started out. IBMs were cheaper so more software was developed for it. Apples were more powerful hardware wise....but where did the software go...

    Palm should make a top top of the line...so they have 3 lines.

    Basic ($150-$200), Deluxe ($201-$400) and a Platinum ($400-$500) line for me. The m5xx series doesn't count, because they are selling a $350 product for $450.
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    My 2 cents...


    Some argue that Palm is cheaper than PPC...mostly yes, not all...anyone look at the price of the new color units coming out? Pretty similar to PPC.

    There are arguments that PPC is not Mac compatable...out of the box, I agree with this. However, some of us have work-arounds. OS 9.x and VPC 3.0 or 4.0 work just fine.

    If you are a hard-core Microsoft Office user, the only choice is PPC. Sure, you can edit and emulate all day long on a Palm...but it is much easier to just use a program that is already familiar.

    To me, Palm is a one dog and pony show...they have their product, they have had their limelight....and now they are about to get run out of town. This not only goes for their hardware, but if they don't make some major improvements, it will go for their software as well.

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