View Poll Results: Well, what about that M105?

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  • M105 sucks, Handspring will dominate

    32 60.38%
  • M105 sucks, this bodes ill for the handheld industry

    2 3.77%
  • M105 sucks, this bodes ill for the Palm Platform

    3 5.66%
  • M105 is a decent product!

    16 30.19%
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  1.    #1  
    Ok, I think that the M105 is a step down from the 3's. Smaller, harder to read screen. Chinsier feel. Sure, it's smaller and lighter, but if you can't read it and it feels like a toy, then is this really going to help the cause of handhelds?

    Ok, I like the better connectivity software... but... Visor is better and cheaper, IMHO
    Last edited by Dieter Bohn; 03/06/2001 at 10:01 AM.
  2. #2  
    Feel the same way. The VisorDx will blow the 105 out of the water: Same price, same amount of RAM, same lack of Flash ROM. The Visor is colorful, expandable, looks a hell of a lot better and has a larger (better IMHO) screen. Plus the Visor still has USB and Mac support out of the box. Which would you choose?
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  3. #3  
    Pretty loaded poll, do you think?
  4. #4  
    If people like it they'll choose the bottom option. If they don't they get their choice of how to bash Palm . Seems reasonable to me.
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  5.    #5  
    Will change the poll, suggest options.
  6. #6  
    How about "I think it sucks, but I know tons of stupid people will buy it".
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  7.    #7  
    Originally posted by Matthew Nichols
    How about "I think it sucks, but I know tons of stupid people will buy it".
    ack... insert straining He-Man voice here ..can't... ...edit... ..poll...

    sigh.
  8. #8  
    Although, I agree with you. I think you shouldn't be so heavily biased in an ALL HANDHELDS forum.

    If you don't like that's fine, but to create a "slam" topic is a bit childish. And yeah, I see the last option and I could have voted that but I understand your intentions as well.
  9. #9  
    Originally posted by timmins
    Although, I agree with you. I think you shouldn't be so heavily biased in an ALL HANDHELDS forum.

    If you don't like that's fine, but to create a "slam" topic is a bit childish. And yeah, I see the last option and I could have voted that but I understand your intentions as well.
    I think he should be as biased as he wants. There have been plenty of heavily WinCE biased posts and nobody has a problem with that. You sound to me rather like a minority rights group that has a problem with slurs against your own minority, but sees no problem with racial/gender/sexual preference/etc. slurs against the majority. Where else would he posts his opinions regarding the m105? It's not an edge or a prism; he's not developing anything for it, or having any problems with one. It's not off-topic because it deals with a handheld and there is a forum for discussing "All Handhelds." I agree with your pointing out that he came across as childish to you (as demonstrated by my pointing out how you came across to me); I just disagree that he should have to compose a PC post for other handhelds.
    -Joshua
    I've decided to become enigmatic.
  10.    #10  
    Originally posted by timmins
    Although, I agree with you. I think you shouldn't be so heavily biased in an ALL HANDHELDS forum.

    If you don't like that's fine, but to create a "slam" topic is a bit childish. And yeah, I see the last option and I could have voted that but I understand your intentions as well.
    Ok, sorry all. I didn't mean for it to come off as a "Slam" topic. It's just that I'm not impressed, dissapointed, etc. with what Palm's put out there as a midlevel product, and I was curious as to what people thought it might do to the market.

    And as to the childish comment: bias is only childish if it is uninformed or unjustified. So far as I can tell, my bias against the M105 is neither

    ...maybe if the M105 had a thicker skin, it could handle what I'm saying....

    Thanks ****-richardson..
  11. #11  
    The m10x's are fine devices, but it is important to note that they are not aimed at the same people who buy Handsprings. Personaly I find no advantages for the m100 in my curent PDA useage, I'm sticking with this sweet little iPAQ on my desk, but for some of my friends at school, the m10x is perfect, and beter than the handspring; for them. It is much more durable than the visors, and the faceplate is good for teenagers.

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  12. #12  
    Originally posted by dietrichbohn


    And as to the childish comment: bias is only childish if it is uninformed or unjustified. So far as I can tell, my bias against the M105 is neither

    Unjustified and uninformed it is.

    How else are you supposed to gain the marketplace of high school students who don't have jobs but would benefit tremendously from being organized on many levels. How else do you attract the non-IT, non-techie consumer?

    To me, the m100 was a little off base... anything with 2mb nowdays is a waste of production. Datebk4 alone takes up 1/4 of your resources. But, the m105 was the correction to the entrance point for palm.

    Just because your needs can not be met with this device, doesn't mean mankind of 6 billion people won't need it either. So, maybe I should change biased to selfish.
  13.    #13  
    Originally posted by timmins


    Unjustified and uninformed it is.

    How else are you supposed to gain the marketplace of high school students who don't have jobs but would benefit tremendously from being organized on many levels. How else do you attract the non-IT, non-techie consumer?

    To me, the m100 was a little off base... anything with 2mb nowdays is a waste of production. Datebk4 alone takes up 1/4 of your resources. But, the m105 was the correction to the entrance point for palm.

    Just because your needs can not be met with this device, doesn't mean mankind of 6 billion people won't need it either. So, maybe I should change biased to selfish.
    Ok, I'm the first to be a proponent for universalizing the pda, and I think that the PalmOS platform is the best way to do that. I just get the feeling that Palm has purposely under-featured the M100/M105 so that said high schoolers will have to plunk down more $ down the road when they realize that it is a sub-standard device. I mean, have you SEEN the screen?

    I started out with the m100, and became unhappy with it in a matter of days. I just think that the best way to get more people to use these things is to put the best product out there for the price.... Or maybe I should say the right way...

    The m100/105 is a bad line. Palm can do better (and has done better), without jacking up the price or otherwise making it inaccessible to "mankind of 6 billion people."
  14. #14  
    Originally posted by ****-richardson

    You sound to me rather like a minority rights group that has a problem with slurs against your own minority, but sees no problem with racial/gender/sexual preference/etc. slurs against the majority.
    It's taken me at least 4 or so times to read this and get a thread of understanding what you are talking about. I am a Visor user, and a Palm advocate. But, even if he had a poll about WinCE or PPC, I think a poll should be unbiased and logical. If you are unaware of this concept, a college class of Logic could help you grasp this concept. It isn't hard. There are a couple fallacies I see in the poll.


    Where else would he posts his opinions regarding the m105?
    You have a point, but only to a certain extent. I could give a list of the cliche message-board Palm website. But then again, he might have had someone snap back at the poll because the user base on other websites is probably more reflective of the 73% Palm user base.


    It's not an edge or a prism; he's not developing anything for it, or having any problems with one. It's not off-topic because it deals with a handheld and there is a forum for discussing "All Handhelds."
    By reason of deduction, I was able to figure this one out without your help. But just because it is an All Handhelds forum doesn't mean it is a flame-war forum. Although, I think this post probably should be locked. This one has become heated.

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    I agree with your pointing out that he came across as childish to you (as demonstrated by my pointing out how you came across to me);
    [i]
    Your notation is much appreciated.


    I just disagree that he should have to compose a PC post for other handhelds.
    Right, we probably should just write what we want because who wants to have an intelligent conversation? I mean, we are here for the Visor... but there is a competitive marketplace out there and some companies actually produce products that are superior and some inferior. This would then circulate to my initial posting of saying, let's be a little more unbiased when we discuss them. I think PPC, WinCE, Palm, Visors users are mixed in here (I know that with my arsenal of handhelds, I have a couple from each group) and we should be able to discuss freely without unjustified biasness.
  15.    #15  
    Originally posted by timmins

    I think a poll should be unbiased and logical. If you are unaware of this concept, a college class of Logic could help you grasp this concept. It isn't hard. There are a couple fallacies I see in the poll.
    Whoa there, elevate them guns a little lower. Philosophy major from the last bastion of aritotelian thought this side of the mississippi. I know logic, and the "fallacies" you're referring to, well, they're nothing that a reasonably intelligent person can't see through. Of course I know the poll is biased, I was trying to make point.

    Right, we probably should just write what we want because who wants to have an intelligent conversation?
    Bias does not preclude intelligent conversation! Without difference of opinion, whence come intelligent conversation?

    Listen, I apologize if I haven't properly justified my bias. But given the following:

    1)Small, hard to read screen
    2)flimsy (imo)
    3)unexpandable

    ...I think that I've justified it.


    By reason of deduction, I was able to figure this one out without your help. But just because it is an All Handhelds forum doesn't mean it is a flame-war forum. Although, I think this post probably should be locked. This one has become heated.
    Sorry... But can't a guy state a strong opinion w/out getting bashed? First I'm biased, then selfish. I mean, I'm going after a piece of electronics, not your mom! (Who, by the way, is a wonderful, wonder woman... )

    ...

    Ok, calm now. Once more, I sincerely apologize if I have offended anyone. But lets talk about the product. I think Palm has under-featured it, and for the $ could have made a better product.
  16. #16  
    Originally posted by timmins
    It's taken me at least 4 or so times to read this and get a thread of understanding what you are talking about. I am a Visor user, and a Palm advocate. But, even if he had a poll about WinCE or PPC, I think a poll should be unbiased and logical. If you are unaware of this concept, a college class of Logic could help you grasp this concept. It isn't hard. There are a couple fallacies I see in the poll.
    Trolling a bit, are we? It doesn't take a college course to understand what I was talking about. I'm glad you think all polls should be unbiased. Unfortunately, that's not the way it works. Even "official" polls are biased. Get used to it.
    You have a point, but only to a certain extent. I could give a list of the cliche message-board Palm website. But then again, he might have had someone snap back at the poll because the user base on other websites is probably more reflective of the 73% Palm user base.
    But it's his privilege to post a poll as biased as he wants. Just as it's your privilege to cry "unfair!" And it's his privilege to post where he wants. Are you linking this thread to other Palm sites to get a more "accurate" reading of the Palm user base? This poll was not originally designed as a scientific study of the purchasing habits and expectations of handheld users. It was his question asked the way he wanted it. It's his prerogitive to phrase it how he wants and to offer poll options he's interested in. ******** about it isn't going to change the poll. So why bother?
    By reason of deduction, I was able to figure this one out without your help. But just because it is an All Handhelds forum doesn't mean it is a flame-war forum. Although, I think this post probably should be locked. This one has become heated.
    Yeah it became heated with your latest post. Until then it was a rational debate. You sure don't seem to be doing your part in calming down and posting rationally.
    Your notation is much appreciated.
    Good.
    Right, we probably should just write what we want because who wants to have an intelligent conversation? I mean, we are here for the Visor... but there is a competitive marketplace out there and some companies actually produce products that are superior and some inferior. This would then circulate to my initial posting of saying, let's be a little more unbiased when we discuss them. I think PPC, WinCE, Palm, Visors users are mixed in here (I know that with my arsenal of handhelds, I have a couple from each group) and we should be able to discuss freely without unjustified biasness.
    He doesn't need to be unbiased. Responders have the option to agree or disagree. Those who disagree can get defensive and complain that their handheld isn't being treated nicely. Or they can rationally contribute to the discussion. If you want a poll that you think is unbiased then write your own. He has the privilege to write as biased a post as he wants. If you think you can do better, quit whining and do it. I'll point out again that you didn't complain when PPC, WinCE, or Palm users bashed the visor in this very forum.
    -Joshua
    I've decided to become enigmatic.
  17. #17  
    echo
    Last edited by dick-richardson; 03/20/2001 at 10:45 AM.
    -Joshua
    I've decided to become enigmatic.
  18.    #18  
    One last thing before I leave off, I did honestly try to change to poll for y'all, but don't have the access.
  19. #19  
    Simply put... I am amazed at how it is his privledge to post a biased poll in any fashion he wants and we should blindly let it pass. At least that is what I understand from ****. It's his privledge, so "leave it alone."

    But, then you state it is my privledge to express my feelings and in turn I have you jumping all over wildly grabbing the reins of this discussion. Again, I see the justice. And don't cry that the world isn't fair, so why should this place. That's b.s., and if you had any respect for an intelligent exchange of ideas (in opposite of this post) you would have either kept quiet or tried to proactively produce a positive atmosphere here. I can assure you that you didn't. So don't ask me to calm down when you are only adding more fuel to the fire.
  20.    #20  
    Originally posted by timmins
    proactively produce a positive atmosphere here.
    Here's my try:

    Originally posted by dietrichbohn
    Once more, I sincerely apologize if I have offended anyone. But lets talk about the product. I think Palm has under-featured it, and for the $ could have made a better product.
    Comments?
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