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  1. #21  
    I picked up an MDA the other day, so I was prepared. But the judge didn't rule -again. He just urged both sides to settle -again. It doesn't help NTP that the patent office denied another one of its patents this morning. I don't think there's a court in this country, either, that would rule for a little holding company with no products or employees or shareholders against a multinational with lots of these. Even if it's a U.S. David against a Canadian Goliath.
    You may be right; I may be crazy. But, the Treo may be just the device I've been looking for.
  2. #22  
    Did you read the manual ? The manual explicitly recommends that you ease into your Treo usage both to allow you to adequately learn how to use the features and avoid the tendency we all have to load up 173 things in the first hour. This is the only way to determine whether you are having a hardware problem or one introduced by software.

    Second, the first thing that should be done after installing the Palm Desktop is do the latest firmware / ROM ugrades. Was this done ?

    There is no "custom fabricating" of the Jabra ear gel necessary. Steps I used were:

    1) Walked into Radio Shack
    2) Ask CSR for eargel for "this thing"
    3) Paid $6 and change for 3 assorted pair sizes
    4) Slipped larger eargel over TWH nubbie.

    Palm sent out a replacement SIM holder to all Treo owners because there were some reports of loose SIMS.....never had the problem meself.

    I think your biggest hurdle is one of familiarity....over a year with the BB versus over a week with the Treo. The Treo is a step up.....kinda like a Food Processor versus a whisk . Yes it takes more learning but it does a lot more and it doesn't like it when you try and do two conflicting things at the same time.

    Keep in mind also that the BB won't let you use a GPS to get to your next showing.

    Can't do this with a BB

    http://www.infinitysw.com/products/p...solutions.html
    http://www.infinitysw.com/products/p...solutions.html

    Can BB do this ?

    https://store.agileagent.com/agility...AgileAgent.jsp

    Here's a bunch more real estate specific apps

    http://www.palm.com/us/enterprise/so...resoftware.epl

    Also Check out these success stories:

    "It's impossible to fully explain how delighted I am with my new Palm Treo smartphone. In one compact device, I now have my phone, my pager, my organizer, web access, MLS, and my lock box key. I no longer feel like a support stand for these necessary tools. My Treo was easy to convert to and it is a joy to use."
    Hap Hilbish
    2004 Idaho Realtor of the Year

    "I was interviewed for an article in the NAR Magazine and told them that the Palm Treo Smartphone was the final, perfect piece to the puzzle of equipment I needed to make my world run smoothly."
    PeggyAnn McConnochie
    2004 Alaska Realtor of the Year

    Having the most updated, synchronized and complete list of my contacts and phone numbers, saves me a lot of time. Driving to work each morning, I reconfirm my appointments for the day and every single phone number I've needed for the last two weeks has been in my Treo."
    Tommy Lawing, Jr.
    2004 North Carolina Realtor of the Year

    "Being able to download content from web sites allows me to read articles I normally wouldn’t have time to read—while waiting for clients to arrive or waiting in lines at the bank or grocery store. I'm more informed because of the hundreds of pages of periodicals that I carry electronically in my shirt pocket every day. I synchronize everything from business news (Business Week Online, NY Times, USA Today, and the Washington Post), foreign reports (BBC & SwissInfo), weather forecasts, and maps."
    Tommy Lawing, Jr.
    2004 North Carolina Realtor of the Year

    "I am happy to report that I am finally up and running with my Treo and all I can say is I love it! Recently I signed a listing contract with a client. The next morning I went back to the property to install my sign and lockbox and I remembered my Treo had the camera. I took several shots of the property, went right back to the office and uploaded them into the listing. What a snap!! I was very excited. My Treo is turning out to be a very useful and convenient tool for me in my business."
    Ellen B. Renish
    Associate Broker

    "I've never had a battery in a phone that lasted this long. Instead of turning my phone off each evening and forwarding calls to voicemail, I leave my Treo on as my personal phone 24x7."
    Tommy Lawing, Jr.
    2004 North Carolina Realtor of the Year

    "I recently upgraded from another handheld to a new Palm Treo smartphone, and I love it! I'm a second-generation property manager with 30+ years as a realtor. We manage scattered residential rentals such as houses, condos, duplexes, and small apartments. My world revolves around prospective tenants, out-of-state owner/clients, vendors from painters to landscapers, and an office staff of 25."
    Tommy Lawing, Jr.
    2004 North Carolina Realtor of the Year

    "My new Palm Treo is the best! I am still in the learning phase, but I find it very valuable to my business as well as personal use. It's providing me with another means of improving service to my clients."
    Ann Pettijohn
    2004 California Realtor of the Year

    "My new Treo has changed my life. Now Real Estate is different—it's so much easier."
    Ivelisse Figueroa
    2004 Puerto Rico Realtor of the Year
  3. #23  
    Sounds like you want a Blackberry in a Treo Package...
    Why are ringtones always such a big issue? Don't people realize that they're obnoxious!? And why the Nintendo 'Wii'? What th-!?
  4. #24  
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodolfo
    I may consider the 8700 when T-Mobile comes out with it soon. What is the expensive extra program, please, and did you try any others that didn't work? Thanks.
    There are two programs: eOffice ($200) and DocHawk ($20 per quarter subscription)

    They work, but are slow and don't render as elegantly and as true to form as Docs To Go.
  5. #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodolfo
    I picked up an MDA the other day, so I was prepared. But the judge didn't rule -again. He just urged both sides to settle -again. It doesn't help NTP that the patent office denied another one of its patents this morning. I don't think there's a court in this country, either, that would rule for a little holding company with no products or employees or shareholders against a multinational with lots of these. Even if it's a U.S. David against a Canadian Goliath.
    Did your sig change? I could have sworn it used to say Treo.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  6. #26  
    Here's some research on the subject:

    " A new marketing research report has been released that measures consumer sentiment in the smartphone market. The report looks at brand loyalty and online popularity of Palm Treo, Research In Motion (RIM) BlackBerry, HP iPAQ and Motorola Q devices.

    Brandimensions searched over 150 million Internet sites and analyzed relevant consumer comments posted online between April 2005 and February 2006, specific to the smartphone market. The results conclude that while BlackBerry has the largest market share in this segment, it lacks a strong brand loyalty among its customers. Overall, consumers felt that Treo was a superior device compared to BlackBerry, citing greater functionality including camera and video playback. "

    http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/8...er-blackberry/
  7. #27  
    When will people start to see that the treo is a jack of all trades, master of none.

    Business professonal use BB, all members of congress are iussed BB, most high profile members of federal and local governments are issued BB, and a lot of key military offical are issued BB. The BB is like a standard for business and professional worker. The treo allow a lot "I mean a lot" of functionallity, but spending the time and energy just for the basics. come on.

    Imagine this, you local fire department depending on Treos, or your government depending on Treos. Can you imagine a member of congress on Treo Central trying to figure out how to get his email the way he wants lol, or wondering why the phone reset and doesn't turn the phone back on. Can you imagine a firefighter being paged to a 4 alarm blaze, and his treo in a reset loop, preformed a softreset and didn't turn the phone back on, or just frozen with a white screen lol.

    Ask you self this honestly, would I put my life, and my bottom line in the hands of a treo with all of it problem. Hey the firefighter can play a cool games, paly around with gps, stream music, and record video, but can't receive a garenteed emergency call when needed.

    NTP are a bunch of pantent pirate. I will hopefull switch to a blackberry, once they have a decent instant messenger.
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  8. #28  
    I personally know of one large metropolitan fire department that relies on Treos, and at least 7 police departments that deploy windows mobile devices. (many more using the tablet version of XP with cellular cards)

    . . . not all agencies use BB.
    ---
    iPhone / Samsung Epix

    Current playtoys:
    Also: Treo 750 (Test phone) / Sony Ericcson w900 (unlocked for international travel)
  9. #29  
    Yikes....thank goodness they use phones and pagers in my neck of the woods. Hate to be hanging on a window ledge while 1st responders can't get a cell phone signal inside the vehicle garage.
  10. #30  
    they are usually used to compliment the radio, not replace it.
    ---
    iPhone / Samsung Epix

    Current playtoys:
    Also: Treo 750 (Test phone) / Sony Ericcson w900 (unlocked for international travel)
  11. #31  
    As a "business professional" I tried the BB 8700c and found that it didn't have the basic functionality needed. Sure, it has push email out of the box, but no attachment support. Being stuck at an all day conference and not being able to read a fax, pdf or word document was a major loss of time and efficiency. I returned the BB yesterday and continue to use my nearly year old Treo 650.

    Also, no one is going to hand a congressman a treo or blackberry in the box. The IT guy will set it up and hand it over preconfigured to work the way they want it. If 100% reliability and no resets were the standard for use would anyone actually use Windows at all?

    Overall, the blackberry is a very expensive solution that only reaches it true functionality in a large enterprise where you can run Blackberry Enterprise Server and all the accoutrements that go along with it. That in itself requires a full-time IT person to oversee.
  12. #32  
    Lol people skipping around the question.

    Proven reliable "certified buy government buying agencies and extensive track record" Blackberry

    A new cool gadget "certified by treocentral, and every mobile gadget site on the web".
    There are other reliable windows mobiles devices, but not treo.

    Yes no one will give a congrss man bb in the box, but after setting up up the tech doesn't have to worry about it's relaible, or the congress doesn't have to worrying about becomming a member of treocentral just to get the needed advise to keep it functioning.

    The business world and govenrmnet agencies have show that the bb is the way to go for reliabilty.

    Fyi there a pdf viewer, work view for bb. Matter of fact there are pleny of solutions for the bb, just link the treo, but out the box the bb fills it requirement perfectly. Not to mention usability, something rarly mention on Treocentral, people expect the avergae treo user to have a degree is Computer Science, telecommunication, etc. The average needs the device to do what they need effeicently with out a whole list of work arounds. The average user wouldn't have the patience to research, find, or apply treo work arounds.
    List
    VolumeCare,
    Chatter,
    Toccer,
    Reset Manager,
    Backup Man,
    Keycaps,
    Screen apps,
    Launcher,
    File exploroer,
    And the list gones on.

    This is a phone, not a computer. Cusotmer are trying to make call, send receive email, text, communication, not Program a commputer.
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  13. #33  
    Quote Originally Posted by jdl70
    Also, no one is going to hand a congressman a treo or blackberry in the box. The IT guy will set it up and hand it over preconfigured to work the way they want it. If 100% reliability and no resets were the standard for use would anyone actually use Windows at all?.
    Absolutely. That BlackBerry is already set up by the time it gets into the congressman's hands. And to answer your question: no. I'm in the military, and we use Windows ON THE PLANES WHILE THEY'RE FLYING MISSIONS. Just like with Windows, people exaggerate how often the Treo crashes or resets.
    Why are ringtones always such a big issue? Don't people realize that they're obnoxious!? And why the Nintendo 'Wii'? What th-!?
  14. #34  
    Clarence: out of the box the Treo filled my Requirements perfectly as well.
    Why are ringtones always such a big issue? Don't people realize that they're obnoxious!? And why the Nintendo 'Wii'? What th-!?
  15. #35  
    Quote Originally Posted by ClarenceCM3
    The average user wouldn't have the patience to research, find, or apply treo work arounds.
    List
    VolumeCare,
    Chatter,
    Toccer,
    Reset Manager,
    Backup Man,
    Keycaps,
    Screen apps,
    Launcher,
    File exploroer,
    And the list gones on.
    I don't have any of these on my 650 so I guess I am an average user.

    I wouldn't use WM but every trade press review I have read on the 700w describes the Treo as the MOST useable WM5 device. Not as usable as the Palm version but more usable than anything offered by the competition. Note also that customer satisfaction with the BB is LOWER than that for the Treo .

    Her's the results of a survey by Branddimensions:

    "There was an article in our local newspaper (Ottawa Citizen) saying that according to researcher Brandimensions, the Treo had a satisfaction rating of 3.61 out of 5 while Blackberry had a 3.31. The article also said that Palm sold 602,000 Treos last quarter, almost as many units as Research in Motion sold, 645,000. In the previous quarter there was a 150,000 unit gap.""

    Also:

    " A new marketing research report has been released that measures consumer sentiment in the smartphone market. The report looks at brand loyalty and online popularity of Palm Treo, Research In Motion (RIM) BlackBerry, HP iPAQ and Motorola Q devices.

    Brandimensions searched over 150 million Internet sites and analyzed relevant consumer comments posted online between April 2005 and February 2006, specific to the smartphone market. The results conclude that while BlackBerry has the largest market share in this segment, it lacks a strong brand loyalty among its customers. Overall, consumers felt that Treo was a superior device compared to BlackBerry, citing greater functionality including camera and video playback. "


    The BB has its use and is very good at what it does....it's basically a fancy text pager. In truth, due to its reliance on cell phone technology it is NOT widely accepted for emergency communication because it, like all cell phones, simply has too poor building penetration which is why there is still a pager market. Over 67% of doctors use pagers, another 15% use cell phones....the 18% use doesn't leave much room for BB's.

    As for Congress using it, they are using it because their IT department chose it, not because they chose it. Not that I'd put much weight in their ability to make sound decisions based up facts. Anything they chose is more likely to be based upon contributor lists.

    Now if all you need is essentially 2 way text paging the ability to send and receive text and text documents, then the BB will serve all of your needs assuming of course that you have access to a mobile network. That generally means not inside a building unless "near a window".

    The Treo OTOH allows one to leave the following at home:

    Cell Phone
    Laptop
    Travel Alarm Clock
    VoiceRecorder
    Digital Camera
    Pocket Calculator
    PIM & Expenses Tracker
    USB Thumbdrive
    GPS Device
    iPod

    If you don't need / want to carry anything on that list then, of course, get a BB. If you want to be sure you get your messages, get a pager. I spend a heck of a lotta time on capitol hill both in Albany and DC and checking e-mail requires a trip to the lobby entrance or getting by a window...certainly not anything that can be done underground in the cafeteria. And when making these trips, it's rare that my group doesn't have a BB user and he's making th trip right along side us.

    Arguing whether a BB is better than a Treo is like arguing whether a Jeep Cherokee is better than a Prius. THey two vehicles are designed for different users. If you commute alone 50 miles each way to work, never go off road, get everything delivered to your house, live in Floroida and have a family of 3 and no pets, get a Prius. If you can only afford one car, live in Maine, and your usage includes driving in snow, frequent off road usage, hauling large items, towing a boat, have 3 kids and a dog or one kid in little league, you get a Cherokee.
    Last edited by JackNaylorPE; 02/27/2006 at 01:02 PM.
  16. #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE
    I don't have any of these on my 650 so I guess I am an average user.

    I wouldn't use WM but every trade press review I have read on the 700w describes the Treo as the MOST useable WM5 device. Not as usable as the Palm version but more usable than anything offered by the competition. Note also that customer satisfaction with the BB is LOWER than that for the Treo .

    Her's the results of a survey by Branddimensions:

    "There was an article in our local newspaper (Ottawa Citizen) saying that according to researcher Brandimensions, the Treo had a satisfaction rating of 3.61 out of 5 while Blackberry had a 3.31. The article also said that Palm sold 602,000 Treos last quarter, almost as many units as Research in Motion sold, 645,000. In the previous quarter there was a 150,000 unit gap.""

    Also:

    " A new marketing research report has been released that measures consumer sentiment in the smartphone market. The report looks at brand loyalty and online popularity of Palm Treo, Research In Motion (RIM) BlackBerry, HP iPAQ and Motorola Q devices.

    Brandimensions searched over 150 million Internet sites and analyzed relevant consumer comments posted online between April 2005 and February 2006, specific to the smartphone market. The results conclude that while BlackBerry has the largest market share in this segment, it lacks a strong brand loyalty among its customers. Overall, consumers felt that Treo was a superior device compared to BlackBerry, citing greater functionality including camera and video playback. "

    I read this twist research. Wasn't this posted on Palmone web site. You can find the same similiar data everywhere. Bias I would Say.

    I was in the Military, "lest then 2 year ago", and All Company, Battilion, and Brigade Commander, where issue Blackberrys "Fort Drum NY". As for using windows, ofcousre we used windows for our Desktop OS, but I was modified, and we mostlt used Army Created Apps to run all out functions.

    Look at the reason The treo has sold so many units. You stated it your self in that qoute camera, and Video playback. Media function are whats selling the treo, not business. I like said early palm is tapping into the large Media Smartphone market, not business Professionl. Business professional's buttom line depends on their device. So they research things link, Ability to handle function. track record, and reliability. Smartphone user, follow brand loyalty, and research things like cool feature, and are more likey to accept freqeunt problems and less reability.

    I have honestly seen a Treo without any 3rd party apps, crash. This really isn't accept for a cell phone. what is you need to make a emergency call, and you phone is acting up.

    I have had many cell phone before the Treo, and I never even heard "or though that" a cell phone could crash. When my Treo's used to great serviced or replace by Sprint I used to temporary switch to an old Nokia 6180. While I was using my Old Nokia 6180 I would "leaving it on all the Time and keeping it pluged up" call sprint and switch my Number. Now this phone was on all the time for around 2 years, the Number would switch, and I would never miss a single call while using it. Now if a cheap 99 buck phone can do this, there has to be away that you can get a 600 phone to function this reliable.
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  17. #37  
    Quote Originally Posted by ClarenceCM3
    ILook at the reason The treo has sold so many units. You stated it your self in that qoute camera, and Video playback. Media function are whats selling the treo, not business.
    http://www.palm.com/us/company/pr/ne...l?reqid=817394

    Where better for a business outlook than the WSJ.

    http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/report-200501.html

    "IN THE WORLD OF corporate e-mail, the BlackBerry is king. But the handheld gadget, made by Canada's Research in Motion and sold by various cellular phone carriers, hasn't been terribly popular with consumers. It doesn't work nearly as well with standard Internet e-mail as it does with corporate e-mail. And BlackBerry just hasn't done a very good job of combining its e-mail and cell phone functions."

    "If you want a decent phone and handheld e-mail at a low price, the BlackBerry 7100t is an attractive choice. But the Treo 650 is the better gadget, despite its higher cost and larger size."
  18. #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by ClarenceCM3
    I read this twist research. Wasn't this posted on Palmone web site. You can find the same similiar data everywhere. Bias I would Say.

    I was in the Military, "lest then 2 year ago", and All Company, Battilion, and Brigade Commander, where issue Blackberrys "Fort Drum NY". As for using windows, ofcousre we used windows for our Desktop OS, but I was modified, and we mostlt used Army Created Apps to run all out functions.
    This post is just proof that people shouldn't be given officer status as a result of their college education...

    Get this; I could be flying a military aircraft right now, as long as I had a degree in basket weaving. I'm not exaggerating at all.
    Why are ringtones always such a big issue? Don't people realize that they're obnoxious!? And why the Nintendo 'Wii'? What th-!?
  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Treo
    Did your sig change? I could have sworn it used to say Treo.
    Yes, it was overdue; good eye!
    You may be right; I may be crazy. But, the Treo may be just the device I've been looking for.
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