Myriad 'Alien Dalvik' runs Android apps on any phone... starting with MeeGo (video)

xenophonite · 11/26/2009, 07:30 PM

So Android runs apps under the Dalvik Java virtual machine. Since webOS is Linux and Dalvik runs on Linux, couldn't it simply be ported to webOS and then allow Pre/Pixi to run Android apps? Is it as simple as it sounds?

Would have to turn off LunaSysMgr to have enough memory, but it might just be doable. If Palm adds enough RAM in future devices, it could realistically run both together.

Since the licensing appears to be open source, couldn't even Palm officially add this with no license implication? Seems to be a sure way to give webOS an extra incentive and ensure longevity, even if Palm doesn't officially support it.

Dalvik virtual machine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

imex99 · 11/26/2009, 07:37 PM

would be sweet but have no clue...

xenophonite · 11/26/2009, 07:38 PM

Dalvik licensing isn't clear to me but I found this...

Quote:

Finally, by licensing Dalvik's source code under the Apache license, mobile phone carriers are more likely to adopt it since they can use and modify it without paying licensing fees.

InfoQ: Dalvik, Android's virtual machine, generates significant debate

osirus · 11/26/2009, 07:54 PM

this would be gold it we had an android user

osirus · 11/26/2009, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenophonite

Dalvik licensing isn't clear to me but I found this...

InfoQ: Dalvik, Android's virtual machine, generates significant debate

thanks a ton

max.swell · 11/26/2009, 09:12 PM

How would you gain access to the android app catalog without being on the Android platform?

sivan · 11/26/2009, 09:56 PM

Not practical (never say impossible). The JVM is just one of many layers:

kill_Dano · 11/27/2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by max.swell

How would you gain access to the android app catalog without being on the Android platform?

Well we can assume all apps might not work out of the box so it would be smart to download the compatible apps in a preware type repository made just for WebOS.

stubbs · 01/15/2010, 02:42 PM

Bump! Any progress here? I downloaded the source for ConnectBot (a rather nice ssh client for Android) to play with, but I don't know where to begin a port. It seems like it would be easier to get the jvm running on WebOS than to translate code.

Any ideas?

mosdl · 01/15/2010, 04:54 PM

You'd have to use the native SDK to port any code.

yannick56 · 02/12/2010, 09:45 AM

I think that if we want to use some Android App on Palm webOS, there is a solution only if we have the Android source code for these apps with :
android-dalvik-vm-on-java

This project is here :
android-dalvik-vm-on-java - Project Hosting on Google Code

This project need improvement for a better Android support.

R_E · 02/08/2011, 06:28 AM

Myriad 'Alien Dalvik' runs Android apps on any phone... starting with MeeGo (video) -- Engadget

ITS BEEN DONE ... on meego ...

bronxbomber · 02/08/2011, 06:48 AM

Ok WebOS internals or other group - lets get this project accomplished. If the Meego people can do it, then it's obvious all the WebOS talent should have no problems getting it working!

sinime · 02/08/2011, 09:04 AM

Interesting...

http://m.engadget.com/default/articl...sic&postPage=1

Feel free to talk amongst yourselves.

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spud101 · 02/08/2011, 10:29 AM

Interesting indeed. Given that webOS games are easily ported (copied) to MeeGo, I hope an alien dalvik for webOS will follow soon.

sinime · 02/08/2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by spud101

Interesting indeed. Given that webOS games are easily ported (copied) to MeeGo, I hope an alien dalvik for webOS will follow soon.

My thought exactly. This could bridge the gap of app catalog size, minus of course any apps that use hardware not found in a Pre/Pixi. We should know tomorrow about the future device(s) and any additional hardware they may have under the hood.

rsanchez1 · 02/08/2011, 12:45 PM

If they can get every mobile OS out there running Alien Dalvik to use Android apps everywhere, it will definitely neutralize the app store advantage. I'd also like to see this happen.

rsanchez1 · 02/08/2011, 12:58 PM

I wonder why they started with Meego. That platform is going nowhere.

sinime · 02/08/2011, 01:03 PM

Sry, didn't realize this was being discussed here: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-...k-java-vm.html

This should probably be merged?

jjcitron · 02/08/2011, 01:08 PM

first thing I thought when I saw the news of 'Alien Dalvik' is if QT can get ported to webos, this should be a no-brainer

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bronxbomber Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 87 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 2 Thanked 16 Times in 7 Posts	Ok WebOS internals or other group - lets get this project accomplished. If the Meego people can do it, then it's obvious all the WebOS talent should have no problems getting it working!
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sinime Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,308 Likes Received: 45 Thanks: 103 Thanked 257 Times in 194 Posts	Myriad 'Alien Dalvik' runs Android apps on any phone... starting with MeeGo (video) Interesting... http://m.engadget.com/default/articl...sic&postPage=1 Feel free to talk amongst yourselves. -- Sent from my Palm Pre using Forums __________________ Fire Sale! Beer Knurd
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