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Old 09/19/2012, 03:52 AM   #21 (permalink)
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And a further look around reveals a story that was just published:



ZTE, Mozilla Plan Mobile System to Compete With Android - Bloomberg


And the reporter who wrote that story said on twitter:
I hate to break it to you but Mozilla recently said that Firefox OS won't be ready until February 2013. So according to you ZTE is gonna sell phones with an OS that's not ready yet?
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Old 09/19/2012, 04:14 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Strange, I think I remember something about Mozilla being ready for launch till End 2012 with their Firefox OS ... but I can be wrong...


But anyways, about that "ZTE makes WebOS phone thing", turning out to probably be Firefox OS, I just can say: "I thought so" ... sadly.
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Old 09/19/2012, 04:20 AM   #23 (permalink)
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When I first read this I gotta admit that I thought this would be bad news for webOS, considering the amount of work that still needs to go into the software, releasing phones this soon would be bad. Fortunately it's a false alarm n we can look forward to software development first
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Old 09/19/2012, 04:54 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I believe this is the correct news.

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Old 09/19/2012, 05:10 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Well, maybe our heroes from WebOSInternals/WebOSports can turn the table around and find something "WebOS worthy" in the ZTE devices, something to port our beloved OS to...

Hope dies last ...
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Old 09/19/2012, 06:35 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Strange, I think I remember something about Mozilla being ready for launch till End 2012 with their Firefox OS ... but I can be wrong...


But anyways, about that "ZTE makes WebOS phone thing", turning out to probably be Firefox OS, I just can say: "I thought so" ... sadly.
Firefox OS smartphones due 2013 as Mozilla reveals partners - SlashGear
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Old 09/19/2012, 06:49 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Btw, it seems like Open webOS phones from ZTE *are* coming next to the Firefox OS phones: Google Vertalen

ZTE to launch Open webOS smartphone in 4Q12, say sources

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China-based ZTE reportedly plans to launch its first Open webOS-based smartphone for overseas markets in the fourth quarter of 2012, according to industry sources.

To further diversify its smartphone platforms, ZTE also plans to roll out smartphone models running on Mozilla's Firefox OS, the sources added.


ZTE is believed to be the first smartphone vendor to adopt Open webOS after Hewlett Packard (HP) promised to release webOS under an open source license project, indicated the sources. HP has released a beta version of the code.

More smartphone vendors may fellow the steps of ZTE to develop open-source Linux platforms due to the controversy erupting over Google's attempt to check development of modified Android platforms by banning Acer from launching a smartphone based on Aliyun, developed by China-based Alibaba, the source commented.
So it seems like they're gonna bring both Firefox OS *and* Open webOS to the market.
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Old 09/19/2012, 07:02 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Looks like they are currently targeting the low and mid range smartphone market. Good news might be a low price, bad news is that it won't be stellar hardware.
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Old 09/19/2012, 07:13 AM   #29 (permalink)
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The second paragraph.
Deputy Chairman of ZTE said when interviewed by Sohu IT that ZTE has already started to make some innovation based on the WebOS system. The first WebOS based handset will hit overseas market in Q4. And ZTE is discussing with the service providers in China for cooperation.
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Old 09/19/2012, 07:25 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I suppose by dipping their fingers in so many platforms ensures they cover more device fanbases, esp if some are generic and they can place any of their supported OS's onto any hardware they make.

even more sense if their reasonably priced, most OS are fine and only need to be powerhouses for 3d games tbh, which isn't as important for normal apps.
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Old 09/19/2012, 08:40 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Excellent.

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Old 09/19/2012, 08:44 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Excellent.

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Google against manufacturers such as Acer equipped Ali cloud OS mobile phone incident, intelligent terminal, multi-platform strategy received universal attention from domestic manufacturers.
ZTE Executive Vice President He Shiyou revealed yesterday in an exclusive interview with Sohu IT, ZTE has begun to independent innovation system based on Web OS, is expected to first Web OS phone listed in overseas markets will be the fourth quarter of this year, China has started with telecom operators co-operation and communication.

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ZTE Executive Vice President He Shiyou accepted an exclusive interview with Sohu IT [���浽����]
ZTE purpose of doing Web OS is that "rainy day"
Currently, ZTE vast majority of smartphone products mainly using the Android platform. Prior to this, in June of this year, ZTE launched the first the WindowsPhone cell phone V965W and 10% of the mobile phone sales this year are expected from the Windows Phone.
Sohu IT, He Shiyou, ZTE has been to adhere to the multi-platform strategy, the operating system has launched Windows Phone 7.5, expected by the end of this year or early next year will launch a Windows Phone 8 mobile phones and tablet PCs.
He Shiyou Android occupy half of smart phone system, the United States and Europe, as well as domestic carriers to investigate this problem. The common point of view are not do not want to be subject to a single operating system itself.

Web OS is an open source system, the most important advantages is whether the user is using an Android phone, or Windows Phone main user can connect to the Internet, the browser, you can no longer distinguish between platforms and applications. Such a model, the future of carriers or service providers and mobile phone manufacturers or will bring more convenience.
The Shiyou stressed ZTE's operating system to do more to emphasize openness, security, aimed at ZTE continued to launch smartphone products can guarantee that in the future, "rainy day" from the underlying software and chip must do related work .
After six months of the cottage manufacturers quad-core phone war
The ZTE handsets has formed a descending layout, mainly including three series the Grand, Skate and Blade. Yesterday, ZTE released its WCDMA version of Grand Era quad-core phone, priced at 2,000 yuan, plans to be available by the end of September or early October.
For smartphone "nuclear war", said He Shiyou, quad-core phone or at home or in a more advanced level. The smartphone price war is mainly focused on the dual-core products, mainly driven by the cottage market. Add to quad-core phone shopping war "cottage phone really, He Shiyou said:" It is estimated there are about half a year's time ".
Domestic high-end 4G phones will support FDD / TDD dual mode function
In August this year, ZTE launched in Hong Kong, its first 4G phone, ZTE has said before, will be launched before the end of the TD-LTE terminal scale next year.
He Shiyou current the domestic 4G phone mode will mainly include TD-LTE, TD-SCDMA and GSM, the future will be considered in the follow-up of the product inside the WCDMA module Sohu IT problems the 4G phone differentiated for the domestic market and other markets, inside.
From foreign markets, most foreign carriers are using the FDD mode, the FDD module that supports roaming capabilities in the area of ​​high-end products are also added support for dual-mode 4G.
ZTE WCDMA mobile phone market in the second half of the strategic adjustment
From the beginning of the third quarter of last year, China overtook the United States as the world's largest smartphone market. At the same time, policies to promote by operators thousands of intelligent machines, Internet companies to enter the mobile phone industry, as well as cottage "resurgence" impact of domestic smart phone market into a fierce price war.
The Shiyou this view from the first half of this year, ZTE WCDMA mobile phone market in the country encountered a great challenge, mainly due to an increase in the number of cell phone manufacturers, cottage trend strengthened, but in TD-SDCMA EVDO market still maintained a rapid development.
Currently, ZTE is the world's fourth-largest mobile phone maker, the fifth-largest smartphone vendor. Court press for domestic competitors, said He Shiyou, ZTE will not care about the local gains and losses in a given market, the more power, or to take into account the global market and the overall development of ZTE mobile phone market in the United States, Europe and Japan in the first half of this year, the growth rate obvious.
He Shiyou that do business is like running a marathon, the resurgence in the second half will be adjusted in the WCDMA market, stressed that "the continued healthy development of many manufacturers to compete on the same stage like Ebb Tide, the last to survive or to rely on the strength of itself embodies .




The following is an interview with Record:



Moderator (Sohu IT hostel Arts): Hello Hello, everyone, today I am very honored to have Mr. He Shiyou, executive vice president of ZTE, what is the total Hello!
He Shiyou: you Sohu netizens Hello, everybody!
Moderator: ZTE has just released a WCDMA version of the the Grand Era quad-core phone, the price of this product is about how much? When it will be available for sale in the Chinese market?
He Shiyou: Grand Era price of about 2,000 yuan, must be a product of a very good value for money. We ultimately want consumers to be able to recognize, be able to use, not to make it into a superior product. Expected on sale in the Chinese market will be the beginning of the end of September 10.
Moderator: remember that scene in Blade V880 conference, you said to me at that time, this phone does not make money. The quad-core phone Grand Era Price January 2000, we do not make money?
He Shiyou: We should say this phone is ZTE's leading mobile phone products, First, the product must be making money, and if the companies do not make money, this business is not necessary to do this. Enterprises serving the people need to do, but can not have been free to serve the people.
Moderator: telecommunications exhibition in Barcelona from February this year, the global smart phone vendors set off the "quad-core" mobile war. In the domestic market, domestic manufacturers of international manufacturers such as Samsung, LG, ZTE, Huawei, HTC and millet quad-core mobile phone price war has hit 2,000 yuan. You to see how the "multi-core" mobile phone price war?
He Shiyou: quad-core phone or at home or in a more advanced condition. Domestic price war now or in the dual-core level, mainly by the cottage market-driven. Quad-core solution of the cottage is still relatively small, I estimated that there are about half a year's time.
Moderator: Grand Era in sales, what to expect?
He Shiyou before: Grand Era has pushed the standard TD, today made ​​a WCDMA version will also introduce China Telecom's EVDO version. This product we hope to publish for the world, and hope that this product will do the volume of one million concept.
Course with the ZTE increasing the degree of its own brand, ZTE will, on the one hand, with the industry's channel partners, vendors of electronic channels, such as Gome, Suning large chain stores to the same time, we will be online next do user experience shop building. Experience store building, we will implement with Suning some large chains to build, while online sales of electronic channels by a combination of both. We hope that it would be more convenient for consumers to buy ZTE phone to the user experience more convenient store experience products, what is the feeling before you buy and use, and then decide to buy.
Moderator: Google last week to halt Acer released Ali cloud phone, also triggered a the domestic smartphone vendor, multi-platform strategy. To see how this problem? Huawei has proposed to start their own phone system backup, ZTE has no plan? Will independent to do OS?
He Shiyou: ZTE has been in the operating system to adhere to the multi-platform strategy, ZTE phone or Android platform, also launched a Windows Phone 7.5 phone, expected end of this year or early next year will launch a Windows Phone 8 mobile phones and tablet PCs.
In addition, ZTE has begun to Web OS-based system of independent innovation, the year will be marketed cooperation in overseas markets and operators. ZTE has been to support multiple operating systems, of course, Ali cloud things, there is, there are other factors, we inconvenience evaluation.
Overall, the future mobile Internet companies, including content providers and handset manufacturers compete for business applications, as well as the initiative, all contradictions will further increase. The most important thing is to emphasize the combination of hardware and software, which is the most important. If the light is only software, not hardware, ultimately difficult. Or you light hardware, not software, it is not. ZTE overall planning and consideration in terms of hardware and software applications.
Moderator: We know that the acquisition of Palm, HP launched a Web OS.
He Shiyou: We all know that the original code is open, shared, but different manufacturers on this basis, then a secondary development application is not the same. Course Web OS is the most important thing is based on consumers different system applications, whether you use the Android phone, or Windows Phone, future applications will be Web OS-based model will be shielded so that the operating system, including operators. We do not distinguish between platforms and applications, and now many content providers, and the first to develop the Android version, or Windows Phone Folio. If you later through Web OS development, you do not
You do not need to worry about the underlying in the end is Android, or other mode. Such a model, the future of carriers or service providers and mobile phone manufacturers or will bring more convenience.
Moderator: Google dispute with Ali cloud One of the highlights is the "Ali cloud whether to adopt the Android operating environment, the framework and tools", we will encounter the same problem?
He Shiyou: should be in terms of Web OS itself is an open source operating system, from the world, in terms of operators including the United States and Europe, and even with our domestic carriers are also exploring. The common point of view are not do not want to be subject to the operating system itself. Mobile phone manufacturers do not want this, do not want operators, content providers is also true, of course, there is a process.
Moderator: Last week, I interviewed the Ministry of Industry and Minister Miao Wei Miao Miao Minister released about a year, the TD-LTE license. TD-LTE Mobile ZTE previously released in Hong Kong, at the earliest when released?
He Shiyou: In fact, we in Hong Kong last month released products, ZTE in the country in the TD-LTE has been working with the Ministry of Industry, China Mobile during the relevant cooperation.
As for the and when listed phone 4G TD-LTE in China can, depends on the the 4G license issued in China and 4G network the amount of construction. ZTE itself is concerned, our technology and products have not problems. Mainly the time of the issuance of the national license, operator network construction time for the first time, we will cooperate with China Mobile and other relevant departments as soon as possible to provide 4G services for Chinese consumers.
Moderator: released in the country whether the phone will be compatible with the TD-LTE FDD and WCDMA?
He Shiyou: we are currently in the country this piece, 4G phone mode will mainly include TD-LTE, TD-SCDMA and GSM. Except, of course, the piece outside China Mobile also supports WCDMA standard proposed in the overseas market. We will also consider the WCDMA module do go in the follow-up of the product inside.
In the domestic market, China Mobile has a TD network, TD-SCDMA is certainly want to support. Of course, the product also supports roaming user roaming overseas outside to support FDD standard, should also be considered in addition to support the WCDMA standard. Because in many countries overseas, most of the FDD 4G, 3G is more complex. Of course, the model is more chip manufacturers, mobile phone manufacturers will add a lot of difficulty, while increasing the cost.
Moderator: ZTE is currently the fourth largest mobile phone maker in the world, the fifth-largest smartphone vendor. But this year in the domestic market, Huawei and Lenovo also force Huawei even proposed annual smartphone shipments of 60 million, do you think the ZTE how to hold their own in the next step shipments and market share advantages?
He Shiyou: ZTE in the first half of this year, especially in the domestic market, especially in the WCDMA market is still facing great challenges, because the cottage this market trend is very clear, the number of mobile phone manufacturers more.
Overall, in the first half of this year, ZTE WCDMA market has also been some influence. In June of this year, when I talked about a greater impact in the WCDMA market, domestic carriers such as China Unicom efforts to control terminal is limited. Therefore, we in the domestic piece, especially in the WCDMA market in the first half by the impact. Of course, we in the TD-SDCMA, EVDO market or to maintain a good development.
In addition to the domestic and overseas are also developing very rapidly, especially in the high-end market is developing very fast, some regional markets in the United States, Europe, Australia and Japan, such as we have made rapid development. We smartphones in the second quarter of our global exports more than 8 million.
I think ultimately the development of enterprises like Marathon, and eventually the embodiment of strength. The resurgence in the second half in the WCDMA market adjustments, stressed that "continued healthy development. Enterprise competition like Ebb Tide, the result of numerous vendors compete, the last to survive or the embodiment of strength.
So I think that do not care about gains and losses in a market of local, more or take into account the global market and the overall development.
Moderator: ZTE domestic the vendors earlier R & D Tablet PC manufacturers, but almost all domestic sales of Android tablet manufacturers are generally. The ZTE tablet regard next plans in place?
He Shiyou: I firmly believe that the development of Tablet PC still has a comparative advantage, Tablet PC user experience is still some gaps. We now use the Tablet PC video, entertainment, or the Internet, the Tablet PC can really solve the cloud service, the Tablet PC will gradually replace the existing computer. If further enhance this feature, this time Tablet PC user experience will be further improved. As we see today Windows8, style tablet and computer use is integrated. In addition to the Windows8 some changes outside, I believe Android Tablet there will be some improvement.
So from this point on, the Tablet PC is an evolution of the existing computer alternative products, this is no dispute. Just say this market, including Apple iOS, there are still a huge gap in the cloud services. The development of cloud services is that there must be a process, if this step is to do a good job, the user may not be limited speed, limited to traffic and the number of downloads, these technical solutions, I believe that the future of the Tablet PC will have a broad market.
Moderator: Because of time reasons, our interview here, thank He always hope that you later can often come Sohu guest.
He Shiyou: Thank you all, I would like to thank the Sohu netizens. Welcome everyone's attention Sohu, are also concerned about the ZTE, but also to the development of the future of ZTE we do so, thank you.
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Old 09/19/2012, 09:44 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Btw, it seems like Open webOS phones from ZTE *are* coming next to the Firefox OS phones: Google Vertalen
What does the update at the top say? Because it appears to me that they are saying they were mistaken and there is no WebOS phone. The digitime article (which anyone familiar with the sector knows is not quite the WSJ) based on "sources" just seem to be based on the machine translation given before and dismissed. If they are making a WebOS phone (rather than a Web OS phone) they haven't mentioned it in any of the interviews they have conducted today.
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Old 09/19/2012, 09:57 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I couldn't wade through all that broken english.

It's not true though by the looks of it. They're launching with Boot to Gecko and have decided to rename it "Web OS" - which to me clearly demonstrates a lack of knowledge of the marketplace and, indeed, a distinct lack of talking to a copyright and patent lawyer.

Source: Who is ZTE and what do they want with webOS? UPDATE - TechFanatiX
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Old 09/19/2012, 10:07 AM   #35 (permalink)
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I can read Chinese...

The entire article only has one line mentioning about "Web OS", so I would take it with a grain of salt for now.

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 而Web OS本身也是一个开源的系统,最主要的优点就是不管用户使用的是Android手机、还是Windows Phone,主要用户可以连接上网、有浏览器,就可以不再进行区分平台和应用。所以这样的一个模式,未来对运营商也好,对业务提供商和手机厂商也好,都会带来更多的方便。

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Web OS itself is an open source system, and the key advantage is that regardless if the user is using an Android or Windows Phone handset, the user can connect online, have access to a browser, and there is no more distinct platform or application. This is a convenient operation mode for network operators, service providers and phone manufacturers.

Even in Chinese it's a bit broken...

Here's another article in English: ZTE to launch Open webOS smartphone in 4Q12, say sources
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Old 09/19/2012, 10:16 AM   #36 (permalink)
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I can read Chinese...

The entire article only has one line mentioning about "Web OS", so I would take it with a grain of salt for now.
Thanks Toni. We're trying to get confirmation now - it won't help that its late night over there though!
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Old 09/19/2012, 10:51 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Why not try ZTE USA? They should be awake...

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Old 09/19/2012, 11:08 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Oh and just for the record, the description the ZTE chief gave sounds exactly like how Boot2Gecko is supposed to work - it boots to a browser environment where you can work your phone and run HTML5 apps regardless of the platform you're running on.

The confusion probably comes down to a mistranslation and misconception - Boot2Gecko isn't quite an operating system but someone may describe it as such as it's a complex concept, and Mozilla itself describe it as running on the Open Web, so you could jumble that up to get Open Web OS.... Mozilla

And here's this from Engadget just a few hours ago: ZTE to launch Mozilla-based smartphones early next year -- Engadget - I don't think they would dilute their message by announcing both B2G and webOS phones on the same day. I could be wrong but I don't think I am....
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Old 09/19/2012, 11:19 AM   #39 (permalink)
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What does the update at the top say? Because it appears to me that they are saying they were mistaken and there is no WebOS phone. The digitime article (which anyone familiar with the sector knows is not quite the WSJ) based on "sources" just seem to be based on the machine translation given before and dismissed. If they are making a WebOS phone (rather than a Web OS phone) they haven't mentioned it in any of the interviews they have conducted today.
I've said pretty much the same thing in another thread on here - it looks very much like a mistranslation and misconception and possibly the ZTE Chief trying to simplify things for a reporter. ZTE USA seem to have been confirming that these are Mozilla-based phones.

And to the guy who said that Book2Gecko, Firefox Mobile or whatever it's called this week, won't be ready until Feb 2013 - do you think that HP's Open webOS is any more or less ready? Especially when you consider that it can't even run on a phone or tablet yet. Answers on a postcard....
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Old 09/19/2012, 11:28 AM   #40 (permalink)
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i wonder who would buy the mystical firefox based OS phone, the same people that are going to buy a facebook phone or other gimmick OS?
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