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Old 06/30/2012, 08:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I figured we should have a place to post and discuss findings and tidbits related to the Community Edition, stuff like interesting finds inside the source code or the locations of well-hidden unctionality.
So, here it is.

I'll start the ball rolling with a few points:
Virtual Gesture Area
There seem to be definitions for a 'VirtualCoreNavi' in Settings.cpp similar to those of the Virtual Keyboard, but there are no references to it anywhere else. Perhaps it was a planned feature for 3.x that didn't make it?
There also seems to be some kind of virtual gesture area inside HostQtDesktop.cpp, but since woce-build only supports armv7 as of writing, this isn't really something we can investigate.

Phone Support
There are host definitions for all of the known webOS platforms inside the source code (and some unknown, 'chile' anyone?) yet webOS 3.x was only ever released for the topaz/touchpad. Also included is a phone-sized virtual keyboard. Were there plans to update previous devices? Or perhaps they were simply left over from webOS 2.x?

So, have at it. What items of interest have people discovered?
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Old 06/30/2012, 09:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Considering I just ran across some commented or defined out code from the CES Demo, my guess is that there has never been a whole re-write of LunaSysMgr, ever

The Virtual Gesture area is for the phone app emulator, I think. I was wondering if it might be interesting to add one to the top menu bar in the otherwise dead space, though.
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Old 06/30/2012, 09:42 PM   #3 (permalink)
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That makes me a sad panda. But I guess that's what Open webOS is for

Come to think of it, there's a pre-made virtual gesture area inside lunaui/cards/emulation that could be repurposed for that. I tried adding it to one of the scene/window manager files the other day, but no results. It was a pretty feeble attempt at making it work though, if I'm honest.
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Old 07/01/2012, 11:01 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I stumbled across the phone keyboard images too. I wonder what the horizontal drag handle image was going to be for? (Maybe resizing keys by dragging up or down?)
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Old 07/01/2012, 11:26 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I was poking around the keyboard files earlier and found reference to a dragHandleEnabled variable (or something like that). I wonder if it's implemented... Sound preferable to holding the dismiss button.
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Old 07/01/2012, 11:44 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Maybe...

Swipe ^ - call up keyboard

Swipe v - dismiss keyboard

??? What do I know? Keep poking at it dudes... I like reading what you're finding behind the scenes.
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Old 07/01/2012, 12:46 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Should be this:
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Old 07/01/2012, 12:48 PM   #8 (permalink)
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The phone key images inside WOCE are actually different looking- they're black and look like they gain a blue outline when tapped.
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Old 07/01/2012, 02:17 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Phone Support
There are host definitions for all of the known webOS platforms inside the source code (and some unknown, 'chile' anyone?) ...
This might have been the touch-screen only phone that was rumoured a while back. Looking in the conf file it's got a display res of 800x480.

There is also a mention of windsor in the conf files too with a similar resolution but tablet display set to true. Interesting...

Remember this? http://www.webosnation.com/keyboard-...gray-exclusive
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Old 07/01/2012, 03:54 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Oh man, THAT article. That made me sad, the stingray looked like a really nice bit of kit.

Perhaps the windsor was a pen-enabled phablet, akin to the Galaxy Note? There are references to stuff like 'penIndicator' (aka the tap ripple) in the code, which seems like an odd name to give a finger position indicator.
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Old 07/01/2012, 05:46 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Haha. Sorry!

Just found another couple of things. (Feel free to discount them as HTML is pretty much my limit of my coding abilities.)

First, more on "WindsorNot", Chile etc. https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/t...Src/base/hosts is an interesting place to look through.

For example, https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/b...WindsorNot.cpp mentions:

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int HostArmWindsorNot::getNumberOfSwitches() const
{
	// Has ringer, No slider, Has Headset, Has Power
	return 3;
}
Which suggests it would have been a candy bar like phone.
Although looking at https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/b...stArmChile.cpp simply states that it has a headset only (which I'm presuming is a speaker / microphone combination):
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int HostArmChile::getNumberOfSwitches() const
{
	/* headset only, no slider or ringer */
	return 1;
}
So what's that? A bluetooth headset? IDK.

Lastly, is Loupe.js (in https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/t...baselineserver) sounds promising - if it relates to the UI and selection of text, I'm not sure it does.
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Old 07/02/2012, 01:20 PM   #12 (permalink)
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did anyone notice that when they open the app catalog that the first pivot comes up?
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Old 07/02/2012, 02:01 PM   #13 (permalink)
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did anyone notice that when they open the app catalog that the first pivot comes up?
What video are you talking about? I never saw the app catalog in the two videos in the front page article.
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Old 07/02/2012, 03:43 PM   #14 (permalink)
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did anyone notice that when they open the app catalog that the first pivot comes up?
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What video are you talking about? I never saw the app catalog in the two videos in the front page article.
I think he's talking about my video - the touchpad that i made that on is not on the public servers, so has never received a pivot change. Same thing would be if I restored it from a doctor before demoing, I guess.
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Old 07/02/2012, 08:21 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I believe zacky59 has WOCE installed on his Touchpad, based on his posts in the app switching gestures thread. He also had to perform a full reset, which would explain the first edition of pivot showing up.

@lsandunk I thought that when I first saw the entry for the chile too, but I believe that's referring to the switches on the devices, aka ringer switch, slider 'switch', not sure what a headset switch is though. I don't think any of the released devices have one.
And loupe.js looks like a magnifying loupe of some sort, but rebaselineserver sounds like some sort of system/debug tool to me.
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Old 07/02/2012, 09:06 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Maybe...

Swipe ^ - call up keyboard

Swipe v - dismiss keyboard

??? What do I know? Keep poking at it dudes... I like reading what you're finding behind the scenes.
This makes me wonder...with some fields you can restrict to #s only. Perhaps when you're on one of these fields, the keyboard drops to just show those keys?

Or slide over and have a keypad style input mechanism?
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Old 07/03/2012, 03:39 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Am I going mad, or have I just stumbled across something?

I just googled Windsornot, and found this on Vimeo:

Products - HP Palm - WindsorNot on Vimeo

Which is either a very good spoof, or an actual teaser. It matches up with the conf file - No slider, headset, ringer and power. From looking at the back it has a removable battery, too.

Looking across the rest of their videos, they seem to have a large amount of HP work, so it may be legitmate.

There are also a number of Opal (Touchpad Go) which I'm not sure anyone has seen before? (I haven't seen them at least) Transparent House’s Videos on Vimeo.

I'm gutted seeing these videos. Windsornot (which I think is actually a reference to a Windsor Knot) looks pretty nice, and matching it up against the Pre 3 gives you an idea of it's approximate size. It's even got a physical hardware button a la TouchPad, so it's probably running 3.x.x

Here's a quick mockup (excuse the roughness):


On the left is Windsornot, and the right, old faithful, the Pre 3.

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Old 07/03/2012, 04:24 AM   #18 (permalink)
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WindsorNot looks like a very nice phone actually even though I personally prefer a physical keyboard. I really don't know why HP quit the phone hardware business
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Old 07/03/2012, 04:28 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I bet that phone would stay on the Touchstone, with no problems. What a shame.
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I bet that phone would stay on the Touchstone, with no problems. What a shame.
I'm quite sure too and if not it would rest on the desk with it's bottom
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