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Old 05/16/2012, 04:37 PM   #21 (permalink)
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If Android can be made to run on the Touchpad, why then couldn't Open webOS run on any Android tablet or phone? (Once the source code is totally opened.) Pick any modern Sprint phone running Android. Figure out how any proprietary (Radio, display, etc.) code is called and keep that intact while providing a Doctor equivalent to convert it to a WebOS phone. One to convert it back to Android should it need any hardware support. Let me keep my Palm profile, any apps that I've purchased, run the odd Android app or two that I can side load, or buy with my Amazon account. Allow me to keep my, and allow WebOS to live or die by, the everyday ease of use provided by Synergy, multitasking, etc. etc. Let's collect up the remaining die-hard users, provide a path for the returnees, build a grass-roots groundswell of "cool" users who enjoy being different, especially if different is better. Do the same for a T-Mobile, Verizon, and AT&T phone.

Why should the carriers otherwise care? Is there some FCC certification needed that includes both the software and hardware?

While we're at it, make it so that the whole profile (including apps, contacts, documents, Angry Birds progress) can be shared across my tablet, phone, and in a VM app on my desktop, laptop, or in a website that I can access from anywhere. Make sure that at least any app developed with Enyo, or HTML5 can keep that ideal.

I think that case would be pretty strong.
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Old 05/16/2012, 08:43 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I like the Kickstarter idea of showing with dollars that there is a following and want of webOS on future phones. As far as OEMs, how about a dark-horse like Cowon? They have been making solid touchscreen mp3 players with outstanding battery life for years. They have to be looking at the other emerging Asian manufacturers like Huaweii and ZTE, and must be looking for a way to enter the smartphone market. Just a name that I haven't seen anyone else mention...

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Old 05/16/2012, 10:55 PM   #23 (permalink)
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People's voices represent $$$ in the minds of corporations. Show them the money.

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I don't agree that webOS is so unattractive that no company would touch it. That it is so worthless that no marketing executive, engineering manager, product development specialist could possibly see it as a means to differentiate from the competition and capture market share. I don't agree that, despite the path Palm/HP took, webOS hasn't proven itself attractive as an intuitive and powerful UI that consumers love to use once they get their hands on it.

Mobile does not need to settle into the pattern that home computing has taken, One large giant, an also ran and fragmented open source alternatives.

No it's not. Money represents money. Saying you want a devices by whatever you consider for your grassroots campaign is not money in the bank from devices sold to a carrier or consumer that a phone maker is can rely on. It's nothing more then a bunch of people claiming to be interested at a given moment in time.

i'm not trying to keep anyone from doing anything or "deter" them. I just think it's completely flawed in reasoning, based on an assessment of the market and webos that isn't true. Sorry Fragmentation is something only phone geeks know or care about. Mom and pop in a store don't care that some phone they'll never buy or use looks slightly different the the phone they've actually buy. Android's increasing market share. Fragmentation isn't killing android.

The time to "show them the money" was when devices were on sale at full price. The public didn't do that. Companies want cash not pledges of cash from the interwebs of finnicky buyers, and a small group at that. Let's be honest, there are lots of webos loyalists and users but it's not hundreds of millions of people.

My post was really not saying don't try. it doesn't hurt me in a single way. It doesn't bother me. Good luck to you. I just think it's wholey unrealistic to think any known consumer electronics company is going to invest the millions required in hardware, ecosystem etc based on some internet fan effort.
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Old 05/17/2012, 07:57 PM   #24 (permalink)
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HTC has just ran into more Android problems.

HTC One X and Evo 4G LTE indefinitely delayed at US Customs for investigation of Apple patent infringement | The Verge

They already make Android and Windows Phones, maybe its worth a shot to try and convince them to try out a webOS phone. I don't even need a newly designed phone. Take the HTC One X just like it is and put webOS on it. Obviously its gonna take some software effort, maybe even a few components need to be changed, but if the phone is left mostly alone it should keep costs down for HTC.

I sent them an email. If enough of us email HTC we may help them decide to take a chance...
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Its a pipe dream, but its worth a shot.
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Old 05/17/2012, 08:02 PM   #25 (permalink)
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The longer HP takes to open source the webOS OS the less chance anyone will pick it up!
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The longer HP takes to open source the webOS OS the less chance anyone will pick it up!
That is definitely true. Too bad we'll have to wait till September. (Then there's a question whether thats going to only be for tablets or phones too)

I hope they are working with content providers to help beef up their ecosystem.
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Old 05/18/2012, 08:57 PM   #27 (permalink)
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ITC Awards Microsoft an Import Ban on Motorola Phones, Tablets | Gadget Lab | Wired.com

How about spending the fees on lawyers on developers for webOS instead?

webOS is looking better and better...
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Old 05/18/2012, 10:13 PM   #28 (permalink)
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While these patent infringement actions are interesting I'm not sure it will weaken the OEMs resolve to push those devices. It will most likely come down to money changing hands to license the applicable functions and then the One X and Motorola devices will have to sell more to recoup the extra cost.

I'm going to comb through this thread over the weekend and gather suggested manufacturers to post in a poll.

Meanwhile it doesn't hurt to follow i2y4n's lead and start lobbying HTC.
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Old 05/19/2012, 02:35 AM   #30 (permalink)
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While these patent infringement actions are interesting I'm not sure it will weaken the OEMs resolve to push those devices. It will most likely come down to money changing hands to license the applicable functions and then the One X and Motorola devices will have to sell more to recoup the extra cost.

I'm going to comb through this thread over the weekend and gather suggested manufacturers to post in a poll.

Meanwhile it doesn't hurt to follow i2y4n's lead and start lobbying HTC.
Yeah they'll just pay a license or simply not sell them in the U.S. It's only gonna have about a year lifecycle anyways. Motorola considering it's Google ties could say screw it and just go only Android too.
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Also, sent them a similar email through their support page. I encourage anyone who feels passionate about this becoming a reality do the same.
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Old 05/19/2012, 10:42 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Old 05/23/2012, 08:40 PM   #33 (permalink)
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What does a manufacturer get by using WebOS that they don't already have? WebOS, for whatever reason, is not viewed as a must have. The most amount of people using it today are a bunch of fire sale buyers. How does this get sold into the boardroom?
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What does a manufacturer get by using WebOS that they don't already have? WebOS, for whatever reason, is not viewed as a must have. The most amount of people using it today are a bunch of fire sale buyers. How does this get sold into the boardroom?
The people using it today are mostly fans not fire sale buyers. We are fans because the OS is very good, intuitive, and has an original UI paradigm. From a manufacturers standpoint this could represent a viable alternative to the growing sea of Android devices as a differentiator in the mobile market.


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Old 05/23/2012, 10:37 PM   #35 (permalink)
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How can you say that most users are not fire sale buyers?
How can you say most users are fire sale buyers? Fact is, neither of you know or have any way of knowing. Both of you are just guessing.

However, I agree with his other points about why a company should think about using webOS.

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Old 05/24/2012, 01:42 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Who else owns WebOS devices anymore in any number that is more than a small fraction than fire sale owners?
I would suggest that there are plenty of webOS phone owners out here.
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Old 05/24/2012, 02:02 AM   #37 (permalink)
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I would suggest that there are plenty of webOS phone owners out here.
Depends how you define "plenty" - at this stage, unless it has retention rates off the scale, normal churn means there can't be more than a couple of hundred thousand (and I'd think that figure is widely optimistic).
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How can you say that most users are not fire sale buyers?
Either way, this thread is based on what OEM might make future products, and not current ones. You asked what made the OS relevant. WebOS is a good OS that as an open platform could give OEMs flexibility of not getting lost in a ever crowded Android space. I think this will have to be an emerging OEM trying to make a name in the US. Unfortunately may not be a big name like HTC or Samsung.

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I'm only a 'firesale buyer' because they were ending production. I would expect there are quite a few people like me in that respect. Its rather rude to be lumped as a 'firesale buyer', when the firesale forced the hand of everyone who didn't have one.The best part of the firesale was those of us who couldn't get one during it, had to ebay or craigslist so we could have one.

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What does a manufacturer get by using WebOS that they don't already have? <snip> How does this get sold into the boardroom?
How many companies are building iOS phones and tablets?

ONE (OK there are a few cheap clones that no one takes seriously)


How many companies are building BBOS phones and tablets?

ONE (no one is even bothering to clone it so far as I can tell)


How many companies are building SymbianOS phones and tablets?

A few - mostly led by Nokia who is now crawling into bed with WinPhone. Symbian has failed to garner widespread positive reviews or consumer loyalty.


How many companies are building Samsung Bada phones and tablets?

ONE - Samsung (we'll get back to them)


So there is Apple. No other OEM is going to build iOS hardware for the foreseeable future. It's a closed off, private, one way street into the market place.

Symbian... Not really an attractive proposition and Nokia already dominates those sales. Reviews of Symbian devices do poorly based on UI.

RIM - remember the song, The Farmer in the Dell? "Heigh ho the derry oh!" RIM is the cheese that stands alone.


Samsung - they are #1 in Android sales. Have been in the past, look to them to continue that trend relentlesly. They don't release exacting sales and production figures, but market analysts rank them tops in production of Android hardware and way out front of all others. They also have Bada, they just became the flagship hardware of Tizen. Even this Android mega-seller is branching out in terms of OS in a race to steal $$$ from Apple and iOS. Right here is the real world counter argument to pitiful moans that no company will risk producing anything but Android.


That leaves all the other OEMs who want to produce phones and tablets crying out their wares: "I got Android here... Get yer Android!!!" As a consumer you can't hear one over the other. How much different can they make Android by putting a proprietary UI overlay onto it? I argue not enough to distinguish it in the average consumer's mind. Do you want a bit of nutmeg sprinkled into your ICS, or would you prefer cinnamon? Tastes about the same when you add 1/8 a teaspoon to a full ICS. Any form factor deviations from bar or qwerty landscape slider have fell flat. There is no realistic way to differentiate yourself in the Android device market except build quality, name recognition and reputation. That goes a little way toward gaining market share, but it's a tough climb up a long hill covered with jostling competitors.


How many companies are building webOS phones and tablets?

NONE

Wait, what?

That leaves a clear, unblocked, wide, smooth and easy to travel avenue to gaining market share. It helps an OEM steal dollars from Apple and Samsung and RIM and Nokia and... EVERYONE ELSE!!!

Yep. That's not appealing to a boardroom at all is it?

webOS isn't a start up, just appeared idea. The OS itself gets great reviews. Is open source going to screw up what works about the OS? I highly doubt it. They can't throw out everything good about webOS. It's just sort of built into it by default.

Yeah, it costs money. But open source webOS costs less money than it would have if someone bought old school webOS from HP. A huge part of the licensing or patent acquisition fees is dropping out come September. There is an awareness, a name recognition already out there regarding webOS with tech reviewers, former competing OEMs, users. hobbyist communities, etc. It isn't such an uphill battle for an OEM to push this OS forward as it would be for something brand new and unproven.

It is an unparalleled opportunity for someone to stand out in the market place.
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