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Old 04/04/2012, 05:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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When Open webOS is released in September, is it going to an improved version of the current OS or will it just be the source code release?

Will features/bugs listed in this forum be integrated/improved somehow?
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Old 04/04/2012, 05:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Generally just a source code release, but also some improved things like the new Isis webbrowser and bug fixes. But we dunno any specific things yet as we don't have any feature scheme/source code of the system/default apps yet; only kernel, driver bits, Enyo and novacom so far.
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Old 04/04/2012, 07:25 AM   #3 (permalink)
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When it is release the version is going to be "Open webOS 1.0" but in all reality it will be an addon to what you have. The changes will probably not be drastic enough, as they are working to open source it mostly, to deserve a similar 4.0 status...so consider it to be like getting, in its current state, a webOS 3.5 update.
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Old 04/04/2012, 08:12 AM   #4 (permalink)
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The changes will be quite sweeping, internally. As to what's visible to the user, who knows. The browser upgrade alone is probably going to be worth a major version #, though.
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Old 04/04/2012, 08:30 AM   #5 (permalink)
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They should defiantly use the webosnation wishlist articles, those are the major fixes webos need to be competitive.
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Old 04/04/2012, 08:48 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I have tested a few different OS browsers, and I have to say even the current stock browser in webOS 3.0 is tons better and compatible in my experience then even the latest Chrom Beta for Android. Hopefully that will only improve with the new Isis browser - without breaking other things.

Now if you could just slim down IE9 and put in on webOS tablets that would rock! My best browser experience to date.
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Old 04/04/2012, 12:24 PM   #7 (permalink)
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They should defiantly use the webosnation wishlist articles, those are the major fixes webos need to be competitive.
I too hope they include them. The present state seems incomplete without a couple of them.

Also considering how things are moving in mobile world, I hope they release some new/innovative features as well so that they don't lag behind immediately after release - just like TP faced the iPad2.
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Old 04/04/2012, 12:33 PM   #8 (permalink)
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the current stock browser in webOS 3.0 is tons better and compatible in my experience then even the latest Chrom Beta for Android.
Really? there's loads of stuff that WebOS' browser handles badly! for example, every now and then the omnibar stops working not searching my history or google until a restart and, for example, google maps is incredibly slow compared to chrome, and doesn't support pinch to zoom, and theVerge's coloured tiles aren't supported like they are in Chrome, nor is the typeKit font - see the picture.

In openWebOS I'd just like the bugs to be squished, like the one mentioned above, and everything to run faster, without having to install tweaks, and I look forward to a more compatible browser.
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Old 04/04/2012, 12:52 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Old 04/04/2012, 01:09 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I have tested a few different OS browsers, and I have to say even the current stock browser in webOS 3.0 is tons better and compatible in my experience then even the latest Chrom Beta for Android. Hopefully that will only improve with the new Isis browser - without breaking other things.

Now if you could just slim down IE9 and put in on webOS tablets that would rock! My best browser experience to date.
For me it's not so much the compatibilty. That is handled by webkit. For me it's more some little issues like that it suddenly displays "Can't load page' sometimes. Then you tap again and it loads correcly. More like refinements, that is the key here for me.

I dislike IE9 on tablet. It's fast, but it's not an intuitive UI IMHO. I like the stock webOS web browser and Advanced Browser, but for me a viable alternative browser would be Opera Mobile. Used it on Android lots of times, superb browser (and the desktop also)
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Old 04/04/2012, 03:40 PM   #11 (permalink)
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My understanding (or, guess) is that the whole of Open webOS is going to leverage the new browser architecture (as discussed here: Isis - Browser inside Browser - Kitten Tale).

I think "Isis- Browser" is really only the front end for the web browser application, a collection of enyo widgits and things, coupled with stuff like cookie storage, password management, and all those types of standard browser features.

Actual rendering of a page is all kicked back to the browser server linux style daemon, which talks to the new QTWebkit instance, which is supposed much faster and more responsive.

So, remembering that all non-PDK apps are also webapps, I would imagine that most should see marginal performance improvements across the board, given a supposedly vastly improved rendering engine. Hopefully things like stuttering during scrolling will be approved across the board.

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Old 04/04/2012, 05:57 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The actual rendering is handled by Webkit. The same Webkit (though a bit dated on the Touchpad) that powers Safari, Chrome. etc.
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Old 04/04/2012, 07:44 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Generally just a source code release, but also some improved things like the new Isis webbrowser and bug fixes. But we dunno any specific things yet as we don't have any feature scheme/source code of the system/default apps yet; only kernel, driver bits, Enyo and novacom so far.
Is it just me, or does it also strike others as being rather unusual that only 4 months out from the open webOS release month, and we haven't been given answers to even simple questions like "Will it support phones?" and "What core apps will be included?" I find it really bizarre. And shouldn't there already be early betas shared with developers so they can be working on apps for launch? I really don't understand the way this is being handled...
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Old 04/04/2012, 08:51 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Now if you could just slim down IE9 and put in on webOS tablets that would rock!
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Old 04/05/2012, 06:10 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Is it just me, or does it also strike others as being rather unusual that only 4 months out from the open webOS release month, and we haven't been given answers to even simple questions like "Will it support phones?" and "What core apps will be included?" I find it really bizarre. And shouldn't there already be early betas shared with developers so they can be working on apps for launch? I really don't understand the way this is being handled...
1 No support for phones directly. HP abandoned the phone business. The community may provide builds for phones though.
2 Early betas for what? The apps for launch are made with Enyo 2.x which is in public beta right now.
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Old 04/05/2012, 06:15 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Betas? I didn't realise they were changing the codebase that much - I thought it was all tidying and getting rid of embarrassing

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Old 04/05/2012, 06:35 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Doesn't matter what they've changed, they mark it as 'Enyo 2.0 beta' so I mark it that way too.
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Old 04/05/2012, 07:21 AM   #18 (permalink)
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i sure hopw they come out with a bang, going like "look what we got now!"
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Old 04/05/2012, 08:25 AM   #19 (permalink)
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1 No support for phones directly. HP abandoned the phone business. The community may provide builds for phones though.
HP has abandoned phone hardware. But this is software - an operating system. It doesn't naturally follow that it absolutely won't include phone support components, especially when you consider that the rivals it hopes to provide an option to (iOS, Android) provide a single OS that can be used on both. This is something HP needs to clarify.
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2 Early betas for what? The apps for launch are made with Enyo 2.x which is in public beta right now.
Betas for open webOS itself. HP is removing and replacing proprietary portions of the operating system - this can have big ramifications in terms of performance, stability, and even compatibility for apps being developed, as the underlying OS that the apps run on will be different than what the apps are being built and tested on. This is something we see all the time when say MS releases a new Windows version or Apple releases a new OSX version - it is impossible for the OS developers to anticipate and account for all the variances, and as a result some applications will just not work the way they are expected to. If they don't do Release Candidate betas there could be a lot of issues that will reflect negatively on open webOS when it's release to the general public.
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Old 04/05/2012, 02:13 PM   #20 (permalink)
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They should defiantly use the webosnation wishlist articles, those are the major fixes webos need to be competitive.
It wouldn't surprise me if there are few visible changes but it seems a bit wild to me that after all this time they wouldn't fix a lot of the not just small bugs but missing features that have been listed in threads and wishlist postings. For example, add some features and fixes to the music player, fully integrate podcasting, etc. My experience is more with the phone os so maybe some of it has been done on the tablet. & Maybe they'll come later. But Personally i think with the pace of mobile os innovation by the competition, with additions like icloud and all it's features, voice commands, and many features in android 4 and ios 5 i think the improvement needs to be come sooner rather then later. but just my thoughts.

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Is it just me, or does it also strike others as being rather unusual that only 4 months out from the open webOS release month, and we haven't been given answers to even simple questions like "Will it support phones?" and "What core apps will be included?" I find it really bizarre. And shouldn't there already be early betas shared with developers so they can be working on apps for launch? I really don't understand the way this is being handled...
I'm not surprised cause corporations keep it close to the vest plus they may not have decided whether they want to support phones. That said i'd think it would be much better PR to be pretty open. But my guess is they haven't said because they either haven't decided.

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HP has abandoned phone hardware. But this is software - an operating system. It doesn't naturally follow that it absolutely won't include phone support components, especially when you consider that the rivals it hopes to provide an option to (iOS, Android) provide a single OS that can be used on both. This is something HP needs to clarify.
I would think that they are internally questioning whether it's worth it to work on both. If they think investing in it now is worth it for a possible payoff later.
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