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Originally Posted by Micael:
Huh? That's your opinion, bub. Don't put words in my mouth.
"Paraphrasing" is a popular euphemism for setting up a strawman argument. It's all the rage!Huh? That's your opinion, bub. Don't put words in my mouth.
Originally Posted by bdhu2001:
Seeing the ACORN tape as illegal, does not mean that people turn a blind eye to corruption. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Again, anyone who breaks the law should go to jail. Regardless of whether or not I like what they did. If you read my statement, it was simply that I want more than the little people who got caught to pay.
Taping the workers is the same as catching the drug dealer and not the person financing the drugs or the right leader. I want all of those doing something illegal to go to jail. Anyone profiting from ACORN, the people who taped ACORN illegally, the Politicians who use their positions for sweetheart deals, all of them.
The people who taped ACORN are acting like journalist and therefore should go to jail just like any other journalist who went over the line for their beliefs.
The people on Dateline, have law enforcement involved. They aren't doing this on their own. They are making sure that what they do stays w/in the confines of the law.
The law is the law. Break it and go to jail.
Followed by:Seeing the ACORN tape as illegal, does not mean that people turn a blind eye to corruption. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Again, anyone who breaks the law should go to jail. Regardless of whether or not I like what they did. If you read my statement, it was simply that I want more than the little people who got caught to pay.
Taping the workers is the same as catching the drug dealer and not the person financing the drugs or the right leader. I want all of those doing something illegal to go to jail. Anyone profiting from ACORN, the people who taped ACORN illegally, the Politicians who use their positions for sweetheart deals, all of them.
The people who taped ACORN are acting like journalist and therefore should go to jail just like any other journalist who went over the line for their beliefs.
The people on Dateline, have law enforcement involved. They aren't doing this on their own. They are making sure that what they do stays w/in the confines of the law.
The law is the law. Break it and go to jail.
Originally Posted by Micael:
Amazing. Why aren't you asking about the corruption that runs all the way up to the top ACORN? This is classic "shoot the messenger", which is a diversionary tactic. Plain and simple. The video tapers are NOT the story.
Followed by:Amazing. Why aren't you asking about the corruption that runs all the way up to the top ACORN? This is classic "shoot the messenger", which is a diversionary tactic. Plain and simple. The video tapers are NOT the story.
Originally Posted by 1thing2add:
What's amazing is that you have no appreciation for equal application of the law. If justice is blind, it cares not "what the story is". Thanks for clarifying that the only thing of importance to you in this sad affair is political gamesmanship.
Followed by:What's amazing is that you have no appreciation for equal application of the law. If justice is blind, it cares not "what the story is". Thanks for clarifying that the only thing of importance to you in this sad affair is political gamesmanship.
Originally Posted by Michael:
Huh? That's your opinion, bub. Don't put words in my mouth.
Followed by:Huh? That's your opinion, bub. Don't put words in my mouth.
Originally Posted by 1thing2add:
My opinion, bub? No. A reasonable paraphrase.
And finally:My opinion, bub? No. A reasonable paraphrase.
Originally Posted by groovy:
"Paraphrasing" is a popular euphemism for setting up a strawman argument. It's all the rage!
Obviously, you missed something along the way (except for the opportunity to make this into something it is not). Nice try, strawman."Paraphrasing" is a popular euphemism for setting up a strawman argument. It's all the rage!
Privacy laws apply to individuals in private settings--I can't climb your fence, open your window, and stick a mic inside.
If you run out in the street and do something stupid, you have no claims to privacy because you're in public view. You don't get to have the guys taping you jailed to shut them up.
Likewise, public officials have no such claims to privacy when they're dealing with public funding (ie my paycheck). ACORN is a public entity committing public actions with public funding.
Having corrupt ACORN-backed Maryland politicians ignore their advising people on how to set up brothels for underage foreign prostitutes using federal money while threatening to imprison the people who exposed it is not the "law of the land" or "rule of law". It's the opposite--"rule of man" (or thug), where government is used selectively as a weapon to push your agenda while coercing those who dissent into silence.
It's the behavior of a banana republic.
If you run out in the street and do something stupid, you have no claims to privacy because you're in public view. You don't get to have the guys taping you jailed to shut them up.
Likewise, public officials have no such claims to privacy when they're dealing with public funding (ie my paycheck). ACORN is a public entity committing public actions with public funding.
Having corrupt ACORN-backed Maryland politicians ignore their advising people on how to set up brothels for underage foreign prostitutes using federal money while threatening to imprison the people who exposed it is not the "law of the land" or "rule of law". It's the opposite--"rule of man" (or thug), where government is used selectively as a weapon to push your agenda while coercing those who dissent into silence.
It's the behavior of a banana republic.
Originally Posted by jaguar717:
Privacy laws apply to individuals in private settings--I can't climb your fence, open your window, and stick a mic inside.
If you run out in the street and do something stupid, you have no claims to privacy because you're in public view. You don't get to have the guys taping you jailed to shut them up.
Your partisan hyperbole is quaint but does not address the legal issue.Privacy laws apply to individuals in private settings--I can't climb your fence, open your window, and stick a mic inside.
If you run out in the street and do something stupid, you have no claims to privacy because you're in public view. You don't get to have the guys taping you jailed to shut them up.
Still waiting for Micael (or you, if you'd care) to cite the State of Maryland code which examines this area of their law. Since this is the location where there is question, it's certainly appropriate.You can assume til the cows come home, but that doesn't make for a terribly compelling argument before a judge (where it actually matters).
Originally Posted by jaguar717:
Privacy laws apply to individuals in private settings--I can't climb your fence, open your window, and stick a mic inside.
If you run out in the street and do something stupid, you have no claims to privacy because you're in public view. You don't get to have the guys taping you jailed to shut them up.
Likewise, public officials have no such claims to privacy when they're dealing with public funding (ie my paycheck). ACORN is a public entity committing public actions with public funding.
You bring up a good point. If ACORN does sue, as I read it, the likely defense would be that this was a public meeting and there was no reasonable expectation of privacy. One could argue that since this was in a public place of business and the meetings were held in a public area of the building and/or not behind closed doors, and that ACORN does provide general advice that's publicly available, there was no reasonable expectation of privacy. On the other hand, if they were discussing personal tax and financial information there usually is an expectation of privacy. Although they did state that no forms were ever filled out so there was no real transfer of private personal information.Privacy laws apply to individuals in private settings--I can't climb your fence, open your window, and stick a mic inside.
If you run out in the street and do something stupid, you have no claims to privacy because you're in public view. You don't get to have the guys taping you jailed to shut them up.
Likewise, public officials have no such claims to privacy when they're dealing with public funding (ie my paycheck). ACORN is a public entity committing public actions with public funding.
Originally Posted by 1thing2add:
Your partisan hyperbole is quaint but does not address the legal issue.
Still waiting for Micael (or you, if you'd care) to cite the State of Maryland code which examines this area of their law. Since this is the location where there is question, it's certainly appropriate.You can assume til the cows come home, but that doesn't make for a terribly compelling argument before a judge (where it actually matters).
I could care less about some Maryland code, or what they do with it. I want ACORN dismantled. It's corrupt from top to bottom. I want our tax dollars to go to non partisaned programs. If the shoe was on the other foot, the left would be screaming bloody murder until the agency was destroyed (and rightly so).Your partisan hyperbole is quaint but does not address the legal issue.
Still waiting for Micael (or you, if you'd care) to cite the State of Maryland code which examines this area of their law. Since this is the location where there is question, it's certainly appropriate.You can assume til the cows come home, but that doesn't make for a terribly compelling argument before a judge (where it actually matters).
Originally Posted by Micael:
I could care less about some Maryland code, or what they do with it.
The same law you use to destroy is a double-edged sword. Nice to have you on record for "not caring less" about the law you use as a weapon.I could care less about some Maryland code, or what they do with it.
Originally Posted by :
I want ACORN dismantled. It's corrupt from top to bottom.
These highly edited, amateur videos proved that? Really? Where?I want ACORN dismantled. It's corrupt from top to bottom.
Originally Posted by :
I want our tax dollars to go to non partisaned programs.
Have you any clue as to what percentage of ACORN's funding is derived from public funds?I want our tax dollars to go to non partisaned programs.
Originally Posted by :
If the shoe was on the other foot, the left would be screaming bloody murder until the agency was destroyed (and rightly so).
You, the one who has no appreciation for the equal application of blind justice can say this with a straight face? Horse-hockey!If the shoe was on the other foot, the left would be screaming bloody murder until the agency was destroyed (and rightly so).
Originally Posted by 1thing2add:
The same law you use to destroy is a double-edged sword. Nice to have you on record for "not caring less" about the law you use as a weapon.
Ummmm.... eh?The same law you use to destroy is a double-edged sword. Nice to have you on record for "not caring less" about the law you use as a weapon.
Originally Posted by Micael:
Ummmm.... eh?
That about sums up your "informed" opinions on this subject in toto, doesn't it? Ummmm.... eh?
Originally Posted by 1thing2add:
That about sums up your "informed" opinions on this subject in toto, doesn't it?
You accusations were unfounded, out of context, and quite frankly, make no sense. Hence the "eh?".That about sums up your "informed" opinions on this subject in toto, doesn't it?
Originally Posted by Micael:
You accusations were unfounded, out of context, and quite frankly, make no sense. Hence the "eh?".
Keep telling yourself that. Statements like that, in the face of immediate evidence to the contrary, may be worth something some day. Like Enron stock. You accusations were unfounded, out of context, and quite frankly, make no sense. Hence the "eh?".
Originally Posted by 1thing2add:
Keep telling yourself that. Statements like that, in the face of immediate evidence to the contrary, may be worth something some day. Like Enron stock.
What law am I using to destroy, 1thing2add?Keep telling yourself that. Statements like that, in the face of immediate evidence to the contrary, may be worth something some day. Like Enron stock.
Originally Posted by Micael:
What law am I using to destroy, 1thing2add?
You're not that obtuse.What law am I using to destroy, 1thing2add?
Ok, let's go and hit NBC/CBS/ABC and all the others out there for doing this. It is nothing more than politics intended to shut the opposition up.
Originally Posted by 1thing2add:
Your partisan hyperbole is quaint but does not address the legal issue.
Still waiting for Micael (or you, if you'd care) to cite the State of Maryland code which examines this area of their law. Since this is the location where there is question, it's certainly appropriate.You can assume til the cows come home, but that doesn't make for a terribly compelling argument before a judge (where it actually matters).
Your partisan hyperbole is quaint but does not address the legal issue.
Still waiting for Micael (or you, if you'd care) to cite the State of Maryland code which examines this area of their law. Since this is the location where there is question, it's certainly appropriate.You can assume til the cows come home, but that doesn't make for a terribly compelling argument before a judge (where it actually matters).
Please tell us what the videos do show. Do they show the employees as being honest? Do they show the same actions across the nation? Do they show the employees talking about illegal activity? Do they? If so, then really now.
Originally Posted by 1thing2add:
The same law you use to destroy is a double-edged sword. Nice to have you on record for "not caring less" about the law you use as a weapon.
These highly edited, amateur videos proved that? Really? Where?
Have you any clue as to what percentage of ACORN's funding is derived from public funds?
You, the one who has no appreciation for the equal application of blind justice can say this with a straight face? Horse-hockey!
The same law you use to destroy is a double-edged sword. Nice to have you on record for "not caring less" about the law you use as a weapon.
These highly edited, amateur videos proved that? Really? Where?
Have you any clue as to what percentage of ACORN's funding is derived from public funds?
You, the one who has no appreciation for the equal application of blind justice can say this with a straight face? Horse-hockey!
ACORN's sourcing - it is a matter of public record. To answer your question, yes I am and it is disgusting that any thought remains to continue any of it. Are you aware of what a few of the investigations are showing? Are you aware that a relative of one of the big guys stole $1,000,000 and got away with - with the big guy's blessing. Are you? Read this - http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...zemwq.asp?pg=2
Originally Posted by 1thing2add:
The same law you use to destroy is a double-edged sword. Nice to have you on record for "not caring less" about the law you use as a weapon.
These highly edited, amateur videos proved that? Really? Where?
Have you any clue as to what percentage of ACORN's funding is derived from public funds?
You, the one who has no appreciation for the equal application of blind justice can say this with a straight face? Horse-hockey!
The same law you use to destroy is a double-edged sword. Nice to have you on record for "not caring less" about the law you use as a weapon.
These highly edited, amateur videos proved that? Really? Where?
Have you any clue as to what percentage of ACORN's funding is derived from public funds?
You, the one who has no appreciation for the equal application of blind justice can say this with a straight face? Horse-hockey!
Originally Posted by bclinger:
Please tell us what the videos do show. Do they show the employees as being honest? Do they show the same actions across the nation? Do they show the employees talking about illegal activity? Do they? If so, then really now.
Where have you verified these individuals were, specifically, "employees" of ACORN?Please tell us what the videos do show. Do they show the employees as being honest? Do they show the same actions across the nation? Do they show the employees talking about illegal activity? Do they? If so, then really now.
Originally Posted by bclinger:
ACORN's sourcing - it is a matter of public record.
So public that you're unable to source it. Thanks. ACORN's sourcing - it is a matter of public record.
Hey, if it works...
Hot Air » Blog Archive » Friendly reminder from ACORN chief Bertha Lewis: You’re racist
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ACORN embezzlement was $5 million, La. attorney general says | Louisiana Politics & Government - - Louisiana Politics | State Legislature News - NOLA.com
One million, five million, when you're dealing with the kind of money ACORN is, what's the difference?
Hot Air » Blog Archive » Friendly reminder from ACORN chief Bertha Lewis: You’re racist
Oh, and... Oops!
ACORN embezzlement was $5 million, La. attorney general says | Louisiana Politics & Government - - Louisiana Politics | State Legislature News - NOLA.com
One million, five million, when you're dealing with the kind of money ACORN is, what's the difference?
... and the Whitewater .. errrr, I mean acorn slime machine continues ...
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