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Originally Posted by bdhu2001:
Let the producer and the pretend hooker go to jail for their illegal practices and beliefs.
Let the producer and the pretend hooker go to jail for their illegal practices and beliefs.
Is this really what you meant to say?Originally Posted by :
Give me the people who put the money in play. Not some worker who gets caught doing something illegal. People embezzle and do stupid stuff everyday. I want the person who's really profiting and making thousands or millions.
Then you want Dale Rathke, the brother of ACORN's founder, who embezzled nearly $1 million from ACORN in 1999-2000 but was allowed to remain on the payroll for another 8 years.Give me the people who put the money in play. Not some worker who gets caught doing something illegal. People embezzle and do stupid stuff everyday. I want the person who's really profiting and making thousands or millions.
Originally Posted by :
Is this really what you meant to say?
Yes that is what I really meant to say. Journalist go to jail all the time for their beliefs, even though there is supposed freedom of the Press. I don't care who goes to jail, no one should be let off the hook if they did something illegal. I don't think anyone should get a free pass just because they brought something to light that I want to know about.Is this really what you meant to say?
I also think we should go after elected officials who profit, through taxpayer money, via sweet deals or investing because they have the inside track or ability to influence.
Originally Posted by bdhu2001:
Let the producer and the pretend hooker go to jail for their illegal practices and beliefs.
Wow. I guess that about sums up everything that is wrong with the Argentinian path we're heading down. How about the hundreds of episodes of "To Catch a Predator" when Chris Hanson recorded pedos admitting to going after kids?Let the producer and the pretend hooker go to jail for their illegal practices and beliefs.
Now when these two have ACORN workers giving them tips on importing underage sex workers and teaching the kids to "keep their mouths shut", we get Maryland thug politicians saying they're going to go after the filmmakers while protecting the criminals?
So is it that NBC reporters are Official Approved Sources of Your Opinion, but a couple unwashed peons don't have the same rights? Or is it that the scumbag Maryland politicians are using their power to protect the organization whose agenda they agree with while silencing anyone who'd expose them?
If you act like a criminal and somebody witnesses it, they testify. The videotape just makes an infinitely more reliable witness that's that much harder to discredit.
Originally Posted by jaguar717:
Wow. I guess that about sums up everything that is wrong with the Argentinian path we're heading down. How about the hundreds of episodes of "To Catch a Predator" when Chris Hanson recorded pedos admitting to going after kids?
Trainwreck TV VS Trainwreck Politics. Still nothing but dumbing down the real issues, turning everyone into a junior version of Joe McCarthy while asking "Are you not entertained?"Wow. I guess that about sums up everything that is wrong with the Argentinian path we're heading down. How about the hundreds of episodes of "To Catch a Predator" when Chris Hanson recorded pedos admitting to going after kids?
You can criticize whether it's valid entertainment or not, but I don't see any "dumbing down" in catching pedophiles who would otherwise be at REAL kids houses.
I also don't see any "dumbing down" in exposing an organization that has been getting tens of millions of dollars from the paychecks of people who don't want to support it, and using it in all manner of criminal ways to push its agenda.
In a perfect world this stuff would get everyone outraged enough to stop forcing us to fund any of these groups, blatantly criminal or not, who exist to push an agenda using other people's money. While that isn't likely to happen, at the very least it might get the funding yanked from the more blatantly criminal ones.
I also don't see any "dumbing down" in exposing an organization that has been getting tens of millions of dollars from the paychecks of people who don't want to support it, and using it in all manner of criminal ways to push its agenda.
In a perfect world this stuff would get everyone outraged enough to stop forcing us to fund any of these groups, blatantly criminal or not, who exist to push an agenda using other people's money. While that isn't likely to happen, at the very least it might get the funding yanked from the more blatantly criminal ones.
Originally Posted by jaguar717:
You can criticize whether it's valid entertainment or not, but I don't see any "dumbing down" in catching pedophiles who would otherwise be at REAL kids houses.
I also don't see any "dumbing down" in exposing an organization that has been getting tens of millions of dollars from the paychecks of people who don't want to support it, and using it in all manner of criminal ways to push its agenda.
In a perfect world this stuff would get everyone outraged enough to stop forcing us to fund any of these groups, blatantly criminal or not, who exist to push an agenda using other people's money. While that isn't likely to happen, at the very least it might get the funding yanked from the more blatantly criminal ones.
A tv show like Dateline's Predator is skimming the surface of the problem of men behaving badly. Without a comprehensive examination of where these men mentally come from and what happens to them long past the "gotcha" cameras roll in, the show feeds pablum to the masses and everyone watches with horror. Left for this show to represent itself, one might think that virtually any man, at any time, for any reason, might look into privately meeting a teenager if his particular set of conditions are met. What are yours? Your neighbor's?You can criticize whether it's valid entertainment or not, but I don't see any "dumbing down" in catching pedophiles who would otherwise be at REAL kids houses.
I also don't see any "dumbing down" in exposing an organization that has been getting tens of millions of dollars from the paychecks of people who don't want to support it, and using it in all manner of criminal ways to push its agenda.
In a perfect world this stuff would get everyone outraged enough to stop forcing us to fund any of these groups, blatantly criminal or not, who exist to push an agenda using other people's money. While that isn't likely to happen, at the very least it might get the funding yanked from the more blatantly criminal ones.
This game of entrapment stings and illegal recordings (even if you believe it may have a righteous cause) is only going to spiral downward. This will only become the standard practice of every wannabe on the web. Do you really think that rightwing PACs and 527s aren't being infiltrated with surveillance as we speak? Where does it end? Letting the justice system do its thing is completely expected, but is inevitable mutual destruction really what everyone wants?
Its interesting how those that benefit from ACORN see the sting and taping as illegal, and completely turn a blind eye on the corruption and lawbreaking of ACORN.
Originally Posted by Micael:
Its interesting how those that benefit from ACORN see the sting and taping as illegal, and completely turn a blind eye on the corruption and lawbreaking of ACORN.
I guess I am the defacto person here at Treo Centro that could have remotely benefited from Acorn. I have my eyes wide openIts interesting how those that benefit from ACORN see the sting and taping as illegal, and completely turn a blind eye on the corruption and lawbreaking of ACORN.
and anticipate seeing more illegal tapings. Hopefully of white supremist groups and other suspected corrupt groups. However if I don't see more illegal tapings I will cry foul because of selective targeting.Who isn't for exposing criminals? However you should do it right and get a court order wiretap.
Originally Posted by Micael:
Its interesting how those that benefit from ACORN see the sting and taping as illegal, and completely turn a blind eye on the corruption and lawbreaking of ACORN.
There is only one view that matters and that is the law of the land. In MD, it is illegal to record audio communications without disclosing it to the other party. If you want to side with those seeing this as a necessary evil, go right ahead, but there's very little that I would consider "interesting" about it. Outside of the snowball-effect these actions initiate, that is.Its interesting how those that benefit from ACORN see the sting and taping as illegal, and completely turn a blind eye on the corruption and lawbreaking of ACORN.
Why not just say that the illegal action was necessary and be done with it?
Originally Posted by 1thing2add:
There is only one view that matters and that is the law of the land. In MD, it is illegal to record audio communications without disclosing it to the other party. If you want to side with those seeing this as a necessary evil, go right ahead, but there's very little that I would consider "interesting" about it. Outside of the snowball-effect these actions initiate, that is.
Why not just say that the illegal action was necessary and be done with it?
Read the law - they're talking about private parties. ACORN is publically funded... your tax dollars and mine at work. They're no more a "private party" than the post office.There is only one view that matters and that is the law of the land. In MD, it is illegal to record audio communications without disclosing it to the other party. If you want to side with those seeing this as a necessary evil, go right ahead, but there's very little that I would consider "interesting" about it. Outside of the snowball-effect these actions initiate, that is.
Why not just say that the illegal action was necessary and be done with it?
And these films were acquired in more places than just in MD. And ACORN is just as dirty, regardless.
Originally Posted by Micael:
Read the law - they're talking about private parties. ACORN is publically funded... your tax dollars and mine at work. They're no more a "private party" than the post office.
"Read the law"? Obviously, you have so please cite the legal reference for the State of Maryland indicating that exemptions/exclusions to the law include persons within a "public funded" enterprise (rather than the usual meaningless innuendo you generally rely on).Read the law - they're talking about private parties. ACORN is publically funded... your tax dollars and mine at work. They're no more a "private party" than the post office.
Don't mistake this as a defense of acorn, as they are required to abide by the same laws as every other party. If you and others weren't such partisans, you'd let the courts deal with this where it matters. Your drivel to make political hay out of this has been done before, only to return to the party that created the uproar.
And the downward spiral continues ...
Originally Posted by 1thing2add:
"Read the law"? Obviously, you have so please cite the legal reference for the State of Maryland indicating that exemptions/exclusions to the law include persons within a "public funded" enterprise (rather than the usual meaningless innuendo you generally rely on).
Don't mistake this as a defense of acorn, as they are required to abide by the same laws as every other party. If you and others weren't such partisans, you'd let the courts deal with this where it matters. Your drivel to make political hay out of this has been done before, only to return to the party that created the uproar.
And the downward spiral continues ...
Actually this was videotape not audio. Video recording of someone is not generally governed by the same laws as audio tape. If it were it would be difficult for all the video that is done for surveillance purposes. How would you get permission from all the people who get taped?"Read the law"? Obviously, you have so please cite the legal reference for the State of Maryland indicating that exemptions/exclusions to the law include persons within a "public funded" enterprise (rather than the usual meaningless innuendo you generally rely on).
Don't mistake this as a defense of acorn, as they are required to abide by the same laws as every other party. If you and others weren't such partisans, you'd let the courts deal with this where it matters. Your drivel to make political hay out of this has been done before, only to return to the party that created the uproar.
And the downward spiral continues ...
Originally Posted by Woof:
Actually this was videotape not audio. Video recording of someone is not generally governed by the same laws as audio tape.
In the MD case, was it video with audio or video without audio? Given that everyone has seen (and heard it), we already know the answer. They are not inseparable, nor does the law treat them as inseparable. But since Micael has read the citation, he already knows this.Actually this was videotape not audio. Video recording of someone is not generally governed by the same laws as audio tape.
Originally Posted by 1thing2add:
In the MD case, was it video with audio or video without audio? Given that everyone has seen (and heard it), we already know the answer. They are not inseparable, nor does the law treat them as inseparable. But since Micael has read the citation, he already knows this.
Would you mind posting something coherent?In the MD case, was it video with audio or video without audio? Given that everyone has seen (and heard it), we already know the answer. They are not inseparable, nor does the law treat them as inseparable. But since Micael has read the citation, he already knows this.
Originally Posted by Woof:
Would you mind posting something coherent?
Obviously, too coherent (and inconveniently to the point) for you. My bad in that I forgot to whom I was speaking.Would you mind posting something coherent?
Originally Posted by :
Its interesting how those that benefit from ACORN see the sting and taping as illegal, and completely turn a blind eye on the corruption and lawbreaking of ACORN.
Seeing the ACORN tape as illegal, does not mean that people turn a blind eye to corruption. Two wrongs do not make a right. Its interesting how those that benefit from ACORN see the sting and taping as illegal, and completely turn a blind eye on the corruption and lawbreaking of ACORN.
Again, anyone who breaks the law should go to jail. Regardless of whether or not I like what they did. If you read my statement, it was simply that I want more than the little people who got caught to pay.
Taping the workers is the same as catching the drug dealer and not the person financing the drugs or the right leader. I want all of those doing something illegal to go to jail. Anyone profiting from ACORN, the people who taped ACORN illegally, the Politicians who use their positions for sweetheart deals, all of them.
The people who taped ACORN are acting like journalist and therefore should go to jail just like any other journalist who went over the line for their beliefs.
The people on Dateline, have law enforcement involved. They aren't doing this on their own. They are making sure that what they do stays w/in the confines of the law.
The law is the law. Break it and go to jail.
Originally Posted by bdhu2001:
Seeing the ACORN tape as illegal, does not mean that people turn a blind eye to corruption. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Again, anyone who breaks the law should go to jail. Regardless of whether or not I like what they did. If you read my statement, it was simply that I want more than the little people who got caught to pay.
Taping the workers is the same as catching the drug dealer and not the person financing the drugs or the right leader. I want all of those doing something illegal to go to jail. Anyone profiting from ACORN, the people who taped ACORN illegally, the Politicians who use their positions for sweetheart deals, all of them.
The people who taped ACORN are acting like journalist and therefore should go to jail just like any other journalist who went over the line for their beliefs.
The people on Dateline, have law enforcement involved. They aren't doing this on their own. They are making sure that what they do stays w/in the confines of the law.
The law is the law. Break it and go to jail.
Amazing. Why aren't you asking about the corruption that runs all the way up to the top ACORN? This is classic "shoot the messenger", which is a diversionary tactic. Plain and simple. The video tapers are NOT the story.Seeing the ACORN tape as illegal, does not mean that people turn a blind eye to corruption. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Again, anyone who breaks the law should go to jail. Regardless of whether or not I like what they did. If you read my statement, it was simply that I want more than the little people who got caught to pay.
Taping the workers is the same as catching the drug dealer and not the person financing the drugs or the right leader. I want all of those doing something illegal to go to jail. Anyone profiting from ACORN, the people who taped ACORN illegally, the Politicians who use their positions for sweetheart deals, all of them.
The people who taped ACORN are acting like journalist and therefore should go to jail just like any other journalist who went over the line for their beliefs.
The people on Dateline, have law enforcement involved. They aren't doing this on their own. They are making sure that what they do stays w/in the confines of the law.
The law is the law. Break it and go to jail.
Originally Posted by Micael:
Amazing. Why aren't you asking about the corruption that runs all the way up to the top ACORN? This is classic "shoot the messenger", which is a diversionary tactic. Plain and simple. The video tapers are NOT the story.
What's amazing is that you have no appreciation for equal application of the law. If justice is blind, it cares not "what the story is". Thanks for clarifying that the only thing of importance to you in this sad affair is political gamesmanship.Amazing. Why aren't you asking about the corruption that runs all the way up to the top ACORN? This is classic "shoot the messenger", which is a diversionary tactic. Plain and simple. The video tapers are NOT the story.
Originally Posted by 1thing2add:
What's amazing is that you have no appreciation for equal application of the law. If justice is blind, it cares not "what the story is". Thanks for clarifying that the only thing of importance to you in this sad affair is political gamesmanship.
Huh? That's your opinion, bub. Don't put words in my mouth.What's amazing is that you have no appreciation for equal application of the law. If justice is blind, it cares not "what the story is". Thanks for clarifying that the only thing of importance to you in this sad affair is political gamesmanship.
Originally Posted by Micael:
Huh? That's your opinion, bub. Don't put words in my mouth.
My opinion, bub? No. A reasonable paraphrase. Huh? That's your opinion, bub. Don't put words in my mouth.
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