ACORN Outdoes itself

[Kenanator]

Originally Posted by groovy

You forgot the whole Crusade thing. Why not throw that in there as long as we're discussing unproven allegations? If they did these things the organization should not only be defunded but dissolved and the perpetrators imprisoned. Just like ACORN.

OK, what about Locheed Martin and Northrop Grumman? The have paid billions in settlements to the government for their occasional misdealing. Do we stop giving them contracts as well? No, because on a whole they provide a service, much like Acorn. Sure you don't like it because they may not be on par with your agenda, but, except for a few bad apples, they do good. Black Water on the other hand, I do not understand. We have the best military in the world and we have to contract a "for hire" military?

[1thing2add]

Originally Posted by V1cK dB

"You must clearly have the same problem in recognizing things that many Democrats and liberals have. Republicans and some democrats have offered alternatives many times. You must have missed it because other than 1 cable news network it is rare that you will see these alternatives in the media. You must have missed it because like President Obama and the Democrats, you pretend there haven't been any alternatives offered by Republicans but even during the most recent address Republicans were waving their alternative plans for health care reform for millions to see (not to mention Obama). I guess you didn't see that though right?

The problem you face is that the alternative Republican "plan" was seen. In fact, I have a copy of it. In fact, so do you, I suspect.

Republican Plan for Healthcare Reform

You must also think that Americans are stupid and are not paying attention. Its what your counting on. Your hoping that maybe we are not noticing these alternative plans...most of which make way more sense than the public option that you want to sneak or force by us. Where you are wrong is that we ARE paying attention and when you pretend to not notice people offering alternatives and expect us to believe your crap you wonder why Obama's approval ratings have dropped. Why nobody believes any member of Congress. Its things like that. Keep on doing this though. This will be the demise of this way of thinking. The more insane you sound..the better. 2010 can't come soon enough!

Obviously, you don't side with the majority of Americans, including physicians, who support a viable public option. So be it. The key word here is: OPTION. What is being considered is a mixture of Public/Private reforms and the American people are nervous about the shift but continue to support this plan's principle while support numbers are rising. Public funded/Privately administered without each and every tax-payer writing blank checks to fund the uninsured. It's the fiscally responsible thing to do. It just happens to be a plan which is to the left of the Right's center.

Don't say that no [edit: Republican] alternative plans have been offered. Its insulting.

It is. Isn't it?

[Woof]

Originally Posted by 1thing2add

Black Water is paid with my tax dollars, the very point Groovy is basing his displeasure regarding ACORN. Should those BILLIONS be ended due to allegations of impropriety? Real impropriety.

I really have no problems with my tax dollars spent to kill bad guys. I am sure if Blackwater was a negotiating service you'd be much happier.

Howling at the Moon again? It matters not where the chart came from as the chart was not the source of the polling numbers. Don't like it? Take it up with WSJ/NBS News, Kaiser Family Foundation, Quinnipiac, NYT/CBS News.

Howling at the moon...youre so funny. Like I said, children's books.
The chart does not have a link to the source. I could make a similar chart showing ANYTHING I want and using your logic it would be valid as long as the labels were WSJ/NBS News, Kaiser Family Foundation, Quinnipiac, NYT/CBS News. For a guy who acts so smart you sure miss a lot. I think I'll go out in the parking lot and poll the cars and see who is for healthcare. Don't worry I'll label it so you can't refute any of it.

You sure make this fun.

[Kenanator]

Originally Posted by Woof

I really have no problems with my tax dollars spent to kill bad guys. I am sure if Blackwater was a negotiating service you'd be much happier.

Why do we need to pay tax dollars to Blackwater when we already have the greatest military on earth, also paid for by our tax dollars, in the same region?!?!?!?!?! So much for conservative spending theories!

BTW those hired guns that you think are just killing bad guys are also killing civilians, for "sport", and also being accused of child prostitution!!! Your tax dollars at work.

[V1cK dB]

1thing2add - You edit my statement about alternative plans suggesting that any alternative has to be Republican? The reason there is so much debate is because Democrats can't agree on the public option. Nothing to do with Republicans. Republicans basically have no say at the moment (this will change soon) and the "bi-partisan" efforts of your Speaker are non existent and you continue to flat out lie by saying that Republicans haven't offered up any ideas. Totally dishonest on your part but keep it going. That type of lying and deceit will lead to Dems losing their majority. Haven't you been listening to the voters? Clearly you haven't.

In one of your earlier posts you suggest that there have been zero ideas offered up by Republicans with your "party of no" bumper sticker language and then you link me to a gross display of flat out lies by your beloved party? Seriously? Do you have any actual ideas or opinions of your own or do you just go around all day repeating talking points you've heard?

One more thing. Your proof of voters preferring the public option is a chart created by the office of the speaker? Seriously? I literally laughed out loud when I saw that.

[1thing2add]

Originally Posted by V1cK dB

1thing2add - You edit my statement about alternative plans suggesting that any alternative has to be Republican? The reason there is so much debate is because Democrats can't agree on the public option. Nothing to do with Republicans. Republicans basically have no say at the moment (this will change soon) and the "bi-partisan" efforts of your Speaker are non existent and you continue to flat out lie by saying that Republicans haven't offered up any ideas. Totally dishonest on your part but keep it going. That type of lying and deceit will lead to Dems losing their majority. Haven't you been listening to the voters? Clearly you haven't.

What happened to the non-existent alternative healthcare reform plan you were just bragging that Republicans were offering a couple weeks ago?

One more thing. Your proof of voters preferring the public option is a chart created by the office of the speaker? Seriously? I literally laughed out loud when I saw that.

Does that mean that when Fox News reports about NYT/CBS polling results, for example, the polls are inherently to be dismissed? Get a grip and get over the blindly partisan disease. It's not healthy.

[groovy]

Originally Posted by V1cK dB

One more thing. Your proof of voters preferring the public option is a chart created by the office of the speaker? Seriously? I literally laughed out loud when I saw that.

People do mostly support a public option... until they're reminded they have to pay for it.

[groovy]

Originally Posted by Kenanator

OK, what about Locheed Martin and Northrop Grumman? The have paid billions in settlements to the government for their occasional misdealing. Do we stop giving them contracts as well? No, because on a whole they provide a service, much like Acorn. Sure you don't like it because they may not be on par with your agenda, but, except for a few bad apples, they do good. Black Water on the other hand, I do not understand. We have the best military in the world and we have to contract a "for hire" military?

Have these companies been shown to have widespread lack of accountibility from the very top to the very bottom? I think its very appropriate to put funding on hold until the mess can be sorted out.

[1thing2add]

Originally Posted by groovy

People do mostly support a public option... until they're reminded they have to pay for it.

And as the American people have learned since the Tea-baggers tried to falsely control the argument 2 months ago, we're already paying for it, always have paid for the 60M uninsured and under-insured, and want its cost increases controlled. Without those cost controls, more Middle-class will continue to file bankruptcy, require Medicaid and Welfare support, thus feeding the out-of-control current cost increases. Private-insurance premium increases of 20% annually cannot be sustained.

[1thing2add]

Originally Posted by groovy

Have these companies been shown to have widespread lack of accountibility from the very top to the very bottom? I think its very appropriate to put funding on hold until the mess can be sorted out.

If that is your "argument", Prosecutor, you've not made the case. Either that or you have no idea of the breadth of ACORN.

Who receives your support to replace ACORN's efforts to serve its constituency? What's next after you successfully dismantle them?

[groovy]

Originally Posted by 1thing2add

If that is your "argument", Prosecutor, you've not made the case. Either that or you have no idea of the breadth of ACORN.

Then perhaps ACORN's defense should inform us.

[1thing2add]

Originally Posted by groovy

Then perhaps ACORN's defense should inform us.

Your lack of being informed about the unholy agency known by the cryptic, demonic acronym ACORN is noted.

Those who prosecute the wars they wage should have a well-defined exit strategy based upon knowing their defeated enemy. What's yours?

[groovy]

Your silence on the subject is noted and not unexpected.

[1thing2add]

Originally Posted by groovy

Your silence on the subject is noted and not unexpected.

Obviously, with all the missed opportunities to state who would receive your support to replace ACORN, and thereby show that there is any intent that goes beyond cheap politics, you've left no doubt that your sole intent is to only be another partisan hack who only knows how to be against. You started this thread, based upon the intent to slime ACORN and nothing more. Nothing less. Mission Accomplished!

[groovy]

More silence. I guess the Defense rests.

[1thing2add]

Originally Posted by groovy

More silence. I guess the Defense rests.

Your Defense appears to be AWOL.

It's your argument. Sustain it.

[groovy]

Originally Posted by 1thing2add

Your Defense appears to be AWOL.

It's your argument. Sustain it.

You mean the arguments you assume mine to be? Why would I defend them?

[1thing2add]

Originally Posted by groovy

You mean the arguments you assume mine to be? Why would I defend them?

Your collective history on the subject is what hangs you out to dry. No one else is to blame. Why the need to project onto others what you lack?