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Originally Posted by Bujin:
OK, then, maybe he quite rightly realized that Fox's market share is because neo-cons are all concentrated on one channel, and since there's nothing that he can say to change a single mind on that channel.....similar to the way that no amount of facts can convince so many that his birth certificate is valid or that he's not a Muslim.....he didn't want to waste his time.
See my response to palandri on the same topic. FNC has the most balanced viewership of all the major cable news networks.OK, then, maybe he quite rightly realized that Fox's market share is because neo-cons are all concentrated on one channel, and since there's nothing that he can say to change a single mind on that channel.....similar to the way that no amount of facts can convince so many that his birth certificate is valid or that he's not a Muslim.....he didn't want to waste his time.
Originally Posted by groovy:
See my response to palandri on the same topic. FNC has the most balanced viewership of all the major cable news networks.
Instead of arguing in favor of Fox News or MSNBC, why don't we try to watch and support news sources with known journalistic integrity like the News Hour or the Christian Science Monitor?See my response to palandri on the same topic. FNC has the most balanced viewership of all the major cable news networks.
Originally Posted by daThomas:
Instead of arguing in favor of Fox News or MSNBC, why don't we try to watch and support news sources with known journalistic integrity like [URL=" News Hour[/URL] or the [URL=" Science Monitor[/URL]?
Did Obama sit down with either of them?Instead of arguing in favor of Fox News or MSNBC, why don't we try to watch and support news sources with known journalistic integrity like [URL=" News Hour[/URL] or the [URL=" Science Monitor[/URL]?
Originally Posted by groovy:
Did Obama sit down with either of them?
Not sure what you mean. Am I missing the initial point that I jumped into being whom the President appeared on today?Did Obama sit down with either of them?
Originally Posted by daThomas:
Not sure what you mean. Am I missing the initial point that I jumped into being whom the President appeared on today?
Actually, my original point was Obama snubbed not only FNC but the huge number of people who watch it. I ask if he sat down with Lehrer or CSM because its relevant to the point. If he didn't, why didn't he?Not sure what you mean. Am I missing the initial point that I jumped into being whom the President appeared on today?
Originally Posted by groovy:
Actually, my original point was Obama snubbed not only FNC but the huge number of people who watch it. I ask if he sat down with Lehrer or CSM because its relevant to the point. If he didn't, why didn't he?
Sorry, bad form on my part for not reading up.Actually, my original point was Obama snubbed not only FNC but the huge number of people who watch it. I ask if he sat down with Lehrer or CSM because its relevant to the point. If he didn't, why didn't he?
I think he was hitting the most popular weekend shows. Actually all the ones I have tivo'd. So I don't think anyone was being snubbed. Although, Chris Wallace's (evil spawn of Mike Wallace
) show Fox News Sunday could be considered a snub. Don't know if they communicated or not.Originally Posted by Micael:
Do we really want the government to decide who lives, who dies, and how?
We'll go from the choice of 100s of healthcare plans to one government one size fits all coverage where some beaurocrat in a basement somewhere decides if your mother gets surgery or pain killers based on a budget and cost savings to the already overburdened tax payers.
You favor or disfavor the public funding/private administration principle of Medicare?Do we really want the government to decide who lives, who dies, and how?
We'll go from the choice of 100s of healthcare plans to one government one size fits all coverage where some beaurocrat in a basement somewhere decides if your mother gets surgery or pain killers based on a budget and cost savings to the already overburdened tax payers.
Originally Posted by groovy:
Actually, my original point was Obama snubbed not only FNC but the huge number of people who watch it. I ask if he sat down with Lehrer or CSM because its relevant to the point. If he didn't, why didn't he?
Well he sure isn't snubbing Sarah Palin's good pal, David Letterman, tonight. Should be interesting to watch.Actually, my original point was Obama snubbed not only FNC but the huge number of people who watch it. I ask if he sat down with Lehrer or CSM because its relevant to the point. If he didn't, why didn't he?
Originally Posted by palandri:
It's a $100 million dollar Pentagon project, and I believe the money is well spent.
Thats chump change, as far as Pentagon projects go.It's a $100 million dollar Pentagon project, and I believe the money is well spent.
Originally Posted by Micael:
Thats chump change, as far as Pentagon projects go.
That's part of the problem, IMO. All the money we spend on 'defending our interests' abroad is money we could be spending more wisely (or leaving in the pockets of those) at home.Thats chump change, as far as Pentagon projects go.
Originally Posted by Toby:
That's part of the problem, IMO. All the money we spend on 'defending our interests' abroad is money we could be spending more wisely (or leaving in the pockets of those) at home.
I would not say "all of the money" but certainly some of that money could be better spent at home.That's part of the problem, IMO. All the money we spend on 'defending our interests' abroad is money we could be spending more wisely (or leaving in the pockets of those) at home.
Originally Posted by pasturing:
How can we achieve a better proposal?
1. Open up the dialogueHow can we achieve a better proposal?
2. Identify all areas related to healthcare that contributes to it's escalating costs (not just focus on an insurance takeover)
3. Review strategic options for reducing costs within each area
4. Draft a mini plan for each area of concern (one big plan will never get passed)
5. Debate-finalize-ratify-sign
6. Wash-rinse-repeat, as necessary.
Originally Posted by Micael:
1. Open up the dialogue
2. Identify all areas related to healthcare that contributes to it's escalating costs (not just focus on an insurance takeover)
3. Review strategic options for reducing costs within each area
4. Draft a mini plan for each area of concern (one big plan will never get passed)
5. Debate-finalize-ratify-sign
6. Wash-rinse-repeat, as necessary.
And delay, delay, delay at all costs. I mean, we've only been trying to do this for decades. Give those drug companies and insurance companies all the time they need to line the pockets of the legislators. Whatever you do, delay. That way nothing will get done, and that's the best outcome. For morons.1. Open up the dialogue
2. Identify all areas related to healthcare that contributes to it's escalating costs (not just focus on an insurance takeover)
3. Review strategic options for reducing costs within each area
4. Draft a mini plan for each area of concern (one big plan will never get passed)
5. Debate-finalize-ratify-sign
6. Wash-rinse-repeat, as necessary.
how to save money on health care costs:
Step 1. Ban smoking in all public places:
Smoking bans reduce heart attacks by a third - the msnbc version
and the academic version, published in the journal "Circulation":
Declines in Acute Myocardial Infarction After Smoke-Free Laws and Individual Risk Attributable to Secondhand Smoke
Step 1. Ban smoking in all public places:
Smoking bans reduce heart attacks by a third - the msnbc version
and the academic version, published in the journal "Circulation":
Declines in Acute Myocardial Infarction After Smoke-Free Laws and Individual Risk Attributable to Secondhand Smoke
Originally Posted by jmelan:
how to save money on health care costs:
Step 1. Ban smoking in all public places:
Smoking bans reduce heart attacks by a third - the msnbc version
and the academic version, published in the journal "Circulation":
Declines in Acute Myocardial Infarction After Smoke-Free Laws and Individual Risk Attributable to Secondhand Smoke
Good point. If we simply make smoking illegal we will save 440,000 lives per year. Similarly, we can save 75,000 lives per year if we make alcohol illegal. We can save 30,000 lives per year by making guns illegal. We can save up to 65,000 lives per year by mandating influenza vaccines. And since obesity kills 300,000 a year, we need to do something about it too. Now, we can't very well make obesity illegal but we can certainly tax it heavily, thereby creating an incentive to stay trim. That's a total of 910,000 lives.how to save money on health care costs:
Step 1. Ban smoking in all public places:
Smoking bans reduce heart attacks by a third - the msnbc version
and the academic version, published in the journal "Circulation":
Declines in Acute Myocardial Infarction After Smoke-Free Laws and Individual Risk Attributable to Secondhand Smoke
There you have it. I just saved almost a million lives a year. Who could possibly be against any of this?
Originally Posted by groovy:
Good point. If we simply make smoking illegal we will save 440,000 lives per year. Similarly, we can save 75,000 lives per year if we make alcohol illegal. We can save 30,000 lives per year by making guns illegal. We can save up to 65,000 lives per year by mandating influenza vaccines. And since obesity kills 300,000 a year, we need to do something about it too. Now, we can't very well make obesity illegal but we can certainly tax it heavily, thereby creating an incentive to stay trim. That's a total of 910,000 lives.
There you have it. I just saved almost a million lives a year. Who could possibly be against any of this?
Well I like gun-toting, fat chicks who smell of cigarette smoke and always have a runny nose, so youre really starting to **** me off.Good point. If we simply make smoking illegal we will save 440,000 lives per year. Similarly, we can save 75,000 lives per year if we make alcohol illegal. We can save 30,000 lives per year by making guns illegal. We can save up to 65,000 lives per year by mandating influenza vaccines. And since obesity kills 300,000 a year, we need to do something about it too. Now, we can't very well make obesity illegal but we can certainly tax it heavily, thereby creating an incentive to stay trim. That's a total of 910,000 lives.
There you have it. I just saved almost a million lives a year. Who could possibly be against any of this?
Originally Posted by Woof:
Well I like gun-toting, fat chicks who smell of cigarette smoke and always have a runny nose, so youre really starting to **** me off.
Well I like gun-toting, fat chicks who smell of cigarette smoke and always have a runny nose, so youre really starting to **** me off.
Good one Wolf! 
yeah and we like the idea of our health insurance being considered as wages and being taxed and we like the idea of the federal government fining us for not buying health insurance - isn't this America and in America are we forced to buy things by the government? Betcha this wanna fine us for not buying insurance is unconstitutional.
Originally Posted by bclinger:
yeah and we like the idea of our health insurance being considered as wages and being taxed and we like the idea of the federal government fining us for not buying health insurance - isn't this America and in America are we forced to buy things by the government? Betcha this wanna fine us for not buying insurance is unconstitutional.
We sure are. We're forced to buy billion dollar jets and aircraft carriers and pay for Blackwater thugs, and nobody asked my opinion. Too bad for me, right? Well, too bad for you too. At least we could simplify it by just paying for it out of taxes....but you'd rather waste your money supporting insurance companies. Great judgement.yeah and we like the idea of our health insurance being considered as wages and being taxed and we like the idea of the federal government fining us for not buying health insurance - isn't this America and in America are we forced to buy things by the government? Betcha this wanna fine us for not buying insurance is unconstitutional.
Originally Posted by davidra:
And delay, delay, delay at all costs. I mean, we've only been trying to do this for decades. Give those drug companies and insurance companies all the time they need to line the pockets of the legislators. Whatever you do, delay. That way nothing will get done, and that's the best outcome. For morons.
Nothing I said indicated a time factor. It was a process layout. It could occur in a day, a week, a month, or a year. The point is to do the right thing, not the wrong thing that causes higher taxes, fines, and penalties for john q. public.And delay, delay, delay at all costs. I mean, we've only been trying to do this for decades. Give those drug companies and insurance companies all the time they need to line the pockets of the legislators. Whatever you do, delay. That way nothing will get done, and that's the best outcome. For morons.
And enough of the name calling. If you don't agree, say so. I don't appreciate being called a moron.
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