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    PARIS As urban violence spread Sunday from the shores of the Mediterranean to the German border and onto the streets of central Paris, the French government came under increasing fire for its dithering response to the mounting wave of unrest.
    Government leaders have held repeated meetings amongst themselves and with neighborhood representatives, and more than 2,300 riot police are patrolling the uneasy Paris suburbs to deal with youths burning cars and buildings. But officials have offered no concrete proposals to quell the disturbances, even after 10 straight nights of tumult.

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    I don't want this to be French bashing topic, but I am truly curious to hear from some of the French members of this board as to their point of view of these events.

    1) What should have been done to prevent it?
    2) What needs to be done to end it?
    3) What are some of your long term solutions for our own country to deal with it?
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    It is clear, however, that the problems of the ghettos have resisted attempts by both left-wing and right-wing governments to solve them.
    I assume they mean relatively right-wing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    I don't want this to be French bashing topic, but I am truly curious to hear from some of the French members of this board as to their point of view of these events.

    1) What should have been done to prevent it?
    2) What needs to be done to end it?
    3) What are some of your long term solutions for our own country to deal with it?
    Criticising the French for allowing this to happen isn't French-bashing (I know you're not saying it is).

    The questions you raise are interesting. I'm also interesed in hearing the French view on this.
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    Evreux mayor Jean-Louis Debre, told France Info radio:To those responsible for the violence, I want to say: Be serious ... If you want to live in a fairer, more fraternal society, this is not how to go about it.

    I get the impression they have no idea why this would happen.
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    French Muslim group issues fatwa against rioting

    PARIS, Nov 6 (Reuters) - One of France's largest Islamic groups issued a fatwa against rioting on Sunday after officials suggested Muslim militants could be partly to blame for violent protests scarring poor neighbourhoods around the country.

    The Union of French Islamic Organisations (UOIF) quoted the Koran and the Prophet Mohammad to back up the religious edict condemning the disorder and destruction the unrest caused.

    Many rioters are of North African Arab and black African descent and assumed to be Muslims. Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy and other officials have hinted Islamist militants may be manipulating angry teenagers to defy the French state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    French Muslim group issues fatwa against rioting
    From the same Reuters story:
    Muslims were particularly incensed last week when a riot police tear gas canister landed in a mosque, forcing praying faithful to scatter in panic.
    The story does not say whether the "Muslims" were "incensed" at the rioters or the police - simply that they were "incensed".
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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    I don't want this to be French bashing topic, but I am truly curious to hear from some of the French members of this board as to their point of view of these events.

    1) What should have been done to prevent it?
    2) What needs to be done to end it?
    3) What are some of your long term solutions for our own country to deal with it?
    Good questions but unfortunately not many french posters here. only MOL afaikafaikafaik $and$ $I$ $think$ $he$ $lives$ $in$ $paris$ $but$ $isnt$ $french$..
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Evreux mayor Jean-Louis Debre, told France Info radio:To those responsible for the violence, I want to say: Be serious ... If you want to live in a fairer, more fraternal society, this is not how to go about it.

    I get the impression they have no idea why this would happen.
    I think it is the same as everywhere else, poor northafrican immigrants get lousy job, lousy houses and are treated as second clas citizens..

    Religion and race are just another way to make the distinction.. the bottom line is they feel treated unpoorly and to a certain extent they probably are..
    but as mr Debre said this is not how to go about it..
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    just saw this story (in dutch)
    http://www.nu.nl/news/621441/21/%27V...nkrijk%27.html

    It says one of the reasons is the ban of religious icons in schools which includes that muslim girls can't wear headscarfs..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    just saw this story (in dutch)
    http://www.nu.nl/news/621441/21/%27V...nkrijk%27.html

    It says one of the reasons is the ban of religious icons in schools which includes that muslim girls can't wear headscarfs..
    We are going through the same thing at my daughters school with the muslim headscarfs. Since the schools follow the seperation of chuch and state argument, several parents complained about the wear of religious T-shirts, (now considered inappropriate by the school) and now others are complaining about the muslim headscarf (also just put on the inappropriate clothing list). There is a failry large muslim population here, but so far no riots.
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    Asked on TF1 television whether the army should be brought in, Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said, "We are not at that point."

    But, don't worry they are bringing in an additional 1,500 reservists on the already 8,000 police. That's right a total of 9,500 police for 300 cities. That is an average of just over 30 police per city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    We are going through the same thing at my daughters school with the muslim headscarfs. Since the schools follow the seperation of chuch and state argument, several parents complained about the wear of religious T-shirts, (now considered inappropriate by the school) and now others are complaining about the muslim headscarf (also just put on the inappropriate clothing list). There is a failry large muslim population here, but so far no riots.
    I disagree with not allowing children in school to display religious symbols. Whether it is the Muslim headscarf or ashes on the forehead on Ash Wednesday, these are constitutionally protected expressions of religious faith.

    Suppression of such expressions is most demonstrable not what the framers intended when they wrote:
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
    If one's religion requires girls to wear headscarves, the government has no business telling them otherwise. There is no establishment of religion in allowing the headscarf. There most certainly is a prohibition of the free exercise of religion is banning the headscarf.

    People come to this country to be free of this kind of heavy-handed government intervention in private affairs.

    But now I'm wandering off-topic...
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    President Bush May Send Up To 5 Marines For French Assistance



    President Bush authorized the Joint Chiefs of Staff to draw up battle plans to pull France's *** out of the fire once again.



    Facing an apparent overwhelming force of up to 400 pissed off teenagers, President Bush doubts France's ability to hold off the little pissants.



    "Hell, if the last two World Wars are any indication, I would expect France to surrender any day now", Bush stated.

    General Peter Pace, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman, warned the President it might be necessary to send up to 5 Marines to get things under control.



    The General admits that 5 Marines may be overkill but he wants to get this thing under control within 24 hours of arriving on scene.



    General Pace stated hes having a hard time finding even one Marine to help those ungrateful bastards out for a third time but thinks he can persuade a few female Marines to do the job before they go on maternity leave.

    President Bush asked General Pace to get our Marines out of France as soon as possible after order is restored.

    He also reminded General Pace to ensure our Marines do not take soap, razors, or deodorant with them.

    The less they stand out the better.

    Since no one is in charge of the rioters, the French cannot figure out to whom they should surrender



    Source: An email I received
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    We are going through the same thing at my daughters school with the muslim headscarfs. Since the schools follow the seperation of chuch and state argument, several parents complained about the wear of religious T-shirts, (now considered inappropriate by the school) and now others are complaining about the muslim headscarf (also just put on the inappropriate clothing list). There is a failry large muslim population here, but so far no riots.
    Your school principal could save him/herself a great deal of misery by contacting the ACLU which would inform him that an individuals right of religious expression cannot be over-written by the public/gov't institution.

    As to the immigrant riots, it's happened here as well.

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