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    France, you are a nation that allows limitless numbers of poor muslims into your country, put them up in non-assimilated housing and give them just enough money to stay alive. You have no jobs and much of your countrymen have racist attitudes towards Muslims.

    USA is not much different. The main difference (and this is a huge one) is we have jobs. This situation in France is a timebomb. I bet a hundred Muslim youths a day or more are willing to blow themselves up somewhere in France. Meanwhile the rioting goes on for an 8th day. France, you need our troops to bail you out again?
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    I hope the Germans send some soldiers in there to stabilize that situation.
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    Maybe the Swiss will send in their elite troop to help out also.
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    And the French thought they were playing it safe by voting against the US at the UN.
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    Kinda goes against all the talk on how we are not any safer because we stood up to terrorism. Looks like the French should grow a spine and stand up against the unjustices of the world.
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    maybe you should all set aside the smug anti-french arrogance, and understand what is going on there.

    They allowed large numbers of cheap moslem workers to come to do menial low paid jobs – expecting that they’d eventually leave.

    Instead they invited their friends, brought their families, got married, had children – but remained culturally unchanged.

    The only difference being that the longer they were there, the more they began to expect and the less they intended to leave.

    They ended up with large numbers of immigrants and their children -- concentrated and unassimilated -- often speaking their own language, practicing an antagonistically conservative culture -- existing unassimilated within the body of their host like a cancer.

    We may well know what this is like.

    Whenever culturally modern countries allow their employers to enjoy the quick “fix” of cheap imported 3rd world workers, the host nation inevitably regrets it.
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    Gotta agree with Bayre on this one. Our immigration policy of the last 30 years or so has set us up for the exact same circumstances the French are dealing with.

    I'm waiting for the Aztlan movment to get violent in the Southwest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Gotta agree with Bayre on this one. Our immigration policy of the last 30 years or so has set us up for the exact same circumstances the French are dealing with.

    I'm waiting for the Aztlan movment to get violent in the Southwest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    maybe you should all set aside the smug anti-french arrogance, and understand what is going on there.

    They allowed large numbers of cheap moslem workers to come to do menial low paid jobs – expecting that they’d eventually leave.

    Instead they invited their friends, brought their families, got married, had children – but remained culturally unchanged.

    The only difference being that the longer they were there, the more they began to expect and the less they intended to leave.

    They ended up with large numbers of immigrants and their children -- concentrated and unassimilated -- often speaking their own language, practicing an antagonistically conservative culture -- existing unassimilated within the body of their host like a cancer.

    We may well know what this is like.

    Whenever culturally modern countries allow their employers to enjoy the quick “fix” of cheap imported 3rd world workers, the host nation inevitably regrets it.
    Well aware, but again we are dealing with centuries worth of culture where if you do not agree to my demands my religion says to terrorize in the name of religion. The French allowed this to go unchecked, the muslim population in France saw that the Frence do not stand up to cowardly acts of terrorism so they act out. They brought it on themselves. No jobs, low pay, poor housing is a poor excuse for rioting and destroying porperty.
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    The situation in France is really bad and sad, but so far, you are still waaaay ahead.
    The riots, beginning in the evening after the verdict, peaked in intensity over the next two days, but would ultimately continue for several days. Continuous television coverage, especially by helicopter news crews, riveted the country and shocked viewers around the world as parts of the city went up in flames, stores were openly looted, innocent bystanders (mainly whites and Koreans) were beaten, and rioters (mainly black) shot at police with assault weapons. A curfew and deployment of California National Guard troops began to control the situation; eventually federal troops would be sent to the city to quell disorder.

    Estimates of the number of lives lost during the unrest vary between 50 and 60, with as many as 2,000 persons injured. Estimates of the material damage done vary between about $800 million and $1 billion. Approximately 3,600 fires were set, destroying 1,100 buildings, with fire calls coming once every minute at some points. About 10,000 people were arrested; about 42% were African-American, 44% Hispanic, 9% white, and 2% other. (Source)
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    This is so cool...France thought they'd get a pass on this kinda stuff when they stuck a knife in our backs...they failed to see that these people don't care how "civilized" French society is..they don't care how "concerned" the French are..they just can't grasp how "cultured" the French way of life really is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gasmeister
    And the French thought they were playing it safe by voting against the US at the UN.
    Do you have a clue why the French and ussians were opposed to the U.S. invasion of Iraq?
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    This is so cool...France thought they'd get a pass on this kinda stuff when they stuck a knife in our backs...they failed to see that these people don't care how "civilized" French society is..they don't care how "concerned" the French are..they just can't grasp how "cultured" the French way of life really is...
    In France (and many other countries), there was a solid majority who thought the war in Iraq is a bad idea. In the US, it is the same, it only took you two years longer to realize. And in contrast to Vietnam, Bush junior does not have an exit strategy.

    However, I am glad to have the majority of American citizens behind me when I say that Bush junior is not up to the challenge. Sad it took so many so long to find out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    This is so cool.
    That is really sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Do you have a clue why the French and ussians were opposed to the U.S. invasion of Iraq?
    'Cause they were afraid their under-the-table business dealings and oil-for-food corruption would be exposed???

    Just a guess...
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    Quote Originally Posted by phurth
    'Cause they were afraid their under-the-table business dealings and oil-for-food corruption would be exposed???

    Just a guess...
    Don't know about the "under the table" dealings but the above the table contracts were set to begin upon the release of the oil restrictions on Iraq. Gee, wonder if that could have anything to do with the sides?
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    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    In France (and many other countries), there was a solid majority who thought the war in Iraq is a bad idea. In the US, it is the same, it only took you two years longer to realize. And in contrast to Vietnam, Bush junior does not have an exit strategy.

    However, I am glad to have the majority of American citizens behind me when I say that Bush junior is not up to the challenge. Sad it took so many so long to find out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    In France (and many other countries), there was a solid majority who thought the war in Iraq is a bad idea. In the US, it is the same, it only took you two years longer to realize.
    Yeah, if only we were enlightened like the French A lot of people believing something doesn't make it correct. You should be cautious in relying on fickle public opinion.
    And in contrast to Vietnam, Bush junior does not have an exit strategy.
    Of course he does: stabilize Iraq and train indigenous forces to a level that will permit us to draw down our own forces. Were you expecting a meeting request so you can enter the date in Outlook?
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Don't know about the "under the table" dealings but the above the table contracts were set to begin upon the release of the oil restrictions on Iraq. Gee, wonder if that could have anything to do with the sides?
    Can you be a bit less vague?

    I assume you're about to prattle on about Halliburton...
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    You must be on crack
    "Nearly two-thirds disapprove of the way Bush is handling the situation there, while barely a third approve, a new low. Six in 10 now believe the United States was wrong to invade Iraq, a seven-point increase in just over two months, with almost half the country saying they strongly believe it was wrong.

    About 3 in 4 -- 73 percent -- say there have been an unacceptable level of casualties in Iraq. More than half -- 52 percent -- say the war with Iraq has not contributed to the long-term security of the United States."
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