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    "The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement.

    The secret facility is part of a covert prison system set up by the CIA nearly four years ago that at various times has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand, Afghanistan and several democracies in Eastern Europe, as well as a small center at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba, according to current and former intelligence officials and diplomats from three continents."

    Note the subheadline on the WP article.

    THIS is a leak of an extremely sensitive, ongoing intelligence operation. Yet somehow I suspect the usual suspects, particularly those on this board, will remain silent.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?nav=hcmodule
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    I read the article on my way into work today. The thing that surprised me the most wasn't that we are doing this but that we've only been doing it since soon after Sept. 11. I especially liked the comment from a former CIA official who said they dismissed the idea of assination squads for fear that they (CIA) would end up shooting each other.
    Last edited by MarkY; 11/02/2005 at 01:18 PM.
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    No news here ! The US goverment has been using other countries jails and torturing information out of prisoners for a long time. That way it escapes US laws and the like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    "The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement.

    The secret facility is part of a covert prison system set up by the CIA nearly four years ago that at various times has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand, Afghanistan and several democracies in Eastern Europe, as well as a small center at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba, according to current and former intelligence officials and diplomats from three continents."

    Note the subheadline on the WP article.

    THIS is a leak of an extremely sensitive, ongoing intelligence operation. Yet somehow I suspect the usual suspects, particularly those on this board, will remain silent.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?nav=hcmodule
    Isn't this what the CIA does?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlbrummels
    No news here ! The US goverment has been using other countries jails and torturing information out of prisoners for a long time. That way it escapes US laws and the like.
    Isn't this what Britain did with the bomber they found not long ago....they sent him to Egypt who has a well earned reputation for "asking the right questions in the right way" to get answers.
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    That's the point, we all do it !
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Isn't this what the CIA does?
    Nice tap dance, as usual. The question is, why aren't you screaming for an investigation of who leaked this intelligence?

    Purely rhetorical. No need to answer. Your motives are transparent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Nice tap dance, as usual. The question is, why aren't you screaming for an investigation of who leaked this intelligence?

    Purely rhetorical. No need to answer. Your motives are transparent.

    Is the story you reference not more of a whistle blower thing than one which undermines a specific cia agent? Is this story not more about shining a light on a very controversial policy/practice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Is the story you reference not more of a whistle blower thing than one which undermines a specific cia agent? Is this story not more about shining a light on a very controversial policy/practice?
    Or does it undermine an entire CIA operation vs a single agent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    Or does it undermine an entire CIA operation vs a single agent?
    And what is the motivation? Is it malicious or is it trying to prevent an abuse of gov't power??

    As the Special Counsel pointed out with his baseball analogy, this is highly relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    And what is the motivation? Is it malicious or is it trying to prevent an abuse of gov't power??

    As the Special Counsel pointed out with his baseball analogy, this is highly relevant.
    Good question. Certainly worthy of appointing a special prosecutor to get to the bottom of this, don't you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Good question. Certainly worthy of appointing a special prosecutor to get to the bottom of this, don't you think?
    I think your comparison smacks of desperation and that this news story is obviously without malice and intended as a check on a possble abuse of gov't power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    I think your comparison smacks of desperation and that this news story is obviously without malice and intended as a check on a possble abuse of gov't power.

    You don't think the CIA punk that leaked this isn't acting out of malice? LOL!

    "Possible abuse". The leaker could have sought redress through any number of non-public means. This is yet another attempt to smear the administration.

    Porter Goss needs to fire every CIA employee that is GS-13 and above that hasn't been overseas for at least one year in the past five.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    You don't think the CIA punk that leaked this isn't acting out of malice? LOL!

    "Possible abuse". The leaker could have sought redress through any number of non-public means. This is yet another attempt to smear the administration.

    Porter Goss needs to fire every CIA employee that is GS-13 and above that hasn't been overseas for at least one year in the past five.
    "Both the Congress and the Executive Branch oversee the Central Intelligence Agency’s activities. In addition, the CIA is responsible to the American people through their elected representatives, and, like other government agencies, acts in accordance with US laws and executive orders."

    The CIA is responsible to the people of this country and it's laws. If people inside the CIA see actions outside of this scope then it is their duty to report it in a manner which will get it corrected. Sometimes that means going outside of an organization. It's often referred to as "whistle blowing" and has special protection under U.S. Law.
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    "acts in accordance with US laws and executive orders." Exactly why they have other's do it !
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlbrummels
    "acts in accordance with US laws and executive orders." Exactly why they have other's do it !
    That would be "rendition" which is different than the article today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    "Both the Congress and the Executive Branch oversee the Central Intelligence Agency’s activities. In addition, the CIA is responsible to the American people through their elected representatives, and, like other government agencies, acts in accordance with US laws and executive orders."

    The CIA is responsible to the people of this country and it's laws. If people inside the CIA see actions outside of this scope then it is their duty to report it in a manner which will get it corrected. Sometimes that means going outside of an organization. It's often referred to as "whistle blowing" and has special protection under U.S. Law.
    We need an investigation into this travesty to determine the intent of who leaked this information, since "malice" seems to be your concern. If illegal actions are being undertaken, fine. If not, then this person or person should be in much hotter water than Scooter and Sandy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    You don't think the CIA punk that leaked this isn't acting out of malice? LOL!

    "Possible abuse". The leaker could have sought redress through any number of non-public means. This is yet another attempt to smear the administration.
    The FBI -- not last time I checked a major ACLU contributor -- STRENUOUSLY objected to the torture that they observed american prisoners being subjected to.

    The little that was done in response happened only after those complaints got leaked.


    This cabal operates under the whatever no one knows about is O.K., rule.

    Deny it if its disclosed.

    Suturate the whisleblower with Puke before he gains any traction, and as a warning to others.

    Never acknowledge your ignorance and stupidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    The FBI -- not last time I checked a major ACLU contributor -- STRENUOUSLY objected to the torture that they observed american prisoners being subjected to.

    The little that was done in response happened only after those complaints got leaked.


    This cabal operates under the whatever no one knows about is O.K., rule.

    Deny it if its disclosed.

    Suturate the whisleblower with Puke before he gains any traction, and as a warning to others.

    Never acknowledge your ignorance and stupidity.

    To the FBI, a love tap on the chest was torture. Making people sit on their knees was torture. The Bureau is an American LAW ENFORCEMENT agency. It was the law enforcement approach undertaken by Clinton that got us to where we are today. Prosecuting the first WTC bombers...what lunacy.

    As far as sliming opponents, what did you think of Clinton's "Nuts and Sluts" strategy? You must've really appreciated the acquisition of those 900 FBI files. Turning the FBI loose on Billy Dale in the travel office must've been a master stroke in your view. What do you think the Cisneros independent counsel will have to say about all of those IRS audits of conservative organizations durings the Clinton years?

    Cabal. Corruption. You parrot the DNC line well.
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