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    by
    Hector Carreon
    La Voz de Aztlan

    Los Angeles, Alta California - August 22, 2005 - (ACN) After producing and directing the most successful independent film of all time, "The Passion of the Christ", Mel Gibson is today preparing to film, in Mexico, what promises to be yet another blockbuster titled "Apocalypto". Though the script of the film is being kept "top secret", there is no question what the film will be about. The title "Apocalypto" which in Greek means "an unveiling and a new beginning" and the fact that the film will revolve around the ancient, highly evolved and mysterious Mayan civilization, gives away the theme and content of the film. "Apocalypto" will be filmed entirely in the Mayan language and the cast will consist of local indigenous Mayan actors.

    La Voz de Aztlan's article, "The next Pope may be the last", we believe outlines closely what the contents of "Apocalypto" will be. Published on April 4, 2005, the article describes the highly accurate Mayan Calendar and the Mayan Popol Vuh's (Mayan Bible) concept of the "Fin de los Tiempos" (End of Time). The Mayas were a much advanced people. They were superb mathematicians and astronomers who devised one of the most accurate calendars known to man, far more accurate than the modern Gregorian calendar. The Mayan Calendar was devised through extremely accurate observations of the sun, the planets, the stars and the Milky Way galaxy. Mayan astronomers knew, through yet unknown methods, the exact location of the center of the Milky Way and attached great meaning to the birth and death of stars at this center.

    The Mayas, in addition, possessed the required knowledge concerning the "Precession of the Equinoxes" that is necessary to create an accurate calendar. There is no question that the Mayas viewed time differently than Western man. Their magnificent pyramids were perfectly aligned to the sun and the one at Chichenitza was constructed in such a way that during the equinoxes, the setting sun casts a shadow of a serpent (Kukulcan/Quetzalcoatl/Jesus Christ) descending on the northern steps of the pyramid. This effect could only be obtained by extremely precise architectural and astronomical measurements.

    The Maya's astronomical knowledge was inherited from even an older and more mysterious civilization at Teotihuacan near Mexico City which contains the famous Pyramid of the Sun and of the Moon. The Pyramid of the Sun is perfectly aligned with the star cluster called the Pleiades which the Egyptians also took into account in building their pyramids at Giza. There is a connection between the ancient religious beliefs of the Sumerians, the Egyptians and the Mayas, especially as they relate to the creation of the universe, of the human race and of the future.

    The Mayas approached "prophecy" by deeply studying the periodicity of cycles, especially astronomical ones, and their connection (synchronicity) to human events. They were also deeply spiritual and very aware of the role that human consciousness plays in connecting to and obtaining information from nature. They knew that ingesting certain plants, religiously and with reverence, would open the doors of perception and lift the veil that keeps mankind from seeing certain realities and communicating with God. This knowledge must explain how they were able to ascertain what will happen on October 21, 2012. Incredibly, they knew, over a thousand years ago, that on this date there will be an astronomical alignment of our sun and the center of the Milky Way. This impending alignment of the sun at that very point, according to Mayan calculations, culminates at the winter solstice of December 21, 2012. Also, on this date, the tail of the "shadow" serpent descending the northern steps of the pyramid at Chichenitza will be pointing exactly towards the Pleiades star cluster which will be located straight up and over the structure (See pyramid below).

    Today, modern astronomers, with advanced technological instruments, know that the center of the Milky Way galaxy contains an immense "black hole" which is constantly giving birth and swallowing stars. The Mayas had a glyph that represented a "black hole" in the center of our galaxy. How they were able to know this, no one knows. The Mayas tied their philosophy entirely on what they observed in the heavens. They thought that the center of our galaxy was a "Cosmic Mother Womb" and that it gave birth to our world. They believed that our world went through cycles of birth, death and rebirth. October 21, 2012, they said will end the cycle and our world will end by fire but will be reborn in a new, different and more evolved form. This will be the beginning of a new sun or the "Sixth Sun" according to the Mexicas (Aztecs).

    Mel Gibson's title "Apocalypto", which in Greek means "an unveiling and a new beginning" , certainly fits with the Mayan definition of the "Fin de los Tiempos" as described above and which will occur on Friday, December 21, 2012. Filming of "Apocalypto" in Mexico is scheduled to commence in October for a planned release of Summer 2006.


    http://www.aztlan.net/apocalypto.htm
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    Awesome, I hope this is filmed extremely well. If anyone is interested in this topic, search the net for these phrases: "Shift of Ages" "Theory of Revolution" "Ascension" "2012".

    Very interesting, if you ask me.
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    just a little nit. the caption under mels pic on the web site is wrong. he was born in the U.S.
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    2012... I heard the world was supposed to end in 2011.
    Numerology confuses me... math was not my forte'.
    Besides- I thought Mel was Catholic... has he converted to the Mayan religion?
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    He is Catholic, but some sort of off-shoot "brand" of Catholocism. I forget the name of it. He's not the "latin-rite" Catholic though (Roman Catholic).
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    Quote Originally Posted by burnout
    Today, modern astronomers, with advanced technological instruments, know that the center of the Milky Way galaxy contains an immense "black hole" which is constantly giving birth and swallowing stars.
    A black hole giving birth to stars? How totally wrong, just like the rest of the story, and a nice proof of how little the Mayan's knew about the centre of the milky way. Since they totally failed to predict the sudden end of their own culture, we probably should not put too much trust into their prophecies to start off with.

    For those of you who nevertheless feel inclined to worry about December 2012: Fear not, when taking into consideration the real position of the center of the milky way, the southern solistitial point crossed the central line of the Milky Way already back in 1999 - without anything special happening - surprise, surprise, right?

    More debunking here:
    http://www.astro.uu.nl/~strous/AA/en/2012.html
    Last edited by clulup; 10/27/2005 at 09:52 AM.
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    I always thought the Mayan calendar ended in 2012 because...well, that's as far as they got.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    ...Since they totally failed to predict the sudden end of their own culture, we probably should not put too much trust into their prophecies to start off with....
    LOL

    Of course, it is entirely possible that they did in fact predict their demise, but did not attempt to avoid it believing that it was "meant" to be.

    Similar to the Egyptians, some of their constructions suggest, in their design, intent to coincide with celestial events.

    I agree that we need not fear 2012, not tomorrow for that matter. There are enough pressing needs today to which we can devote attention. One tangent of interest is the predictive nature of the celestial trajectories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    I don't call this debunking:
    I believe that it is but a coincidence that 65 baktuns are approximately equal to the period of the precession of the equinoxes and that it is coincidence that the coming date of 0.0.0.0.0 in the Long Count falls on a southern solstice in the middle of the Milky Way.

    You might think that it would have to be a very great coincidence, because if you choose the length of 65 baktuns at random then the chances of it happening to be about equal to the period of the precession of the equinoxes would be very small, and if you fix the date 0.0.0.0.0 at random (without regard to solstices or the Milky Way), then the chances of it happening to fall on a southern solstice in the middle of the Milky Way are also very small.

    However, the probability of getting three sixes when casting three dies is also very small, but if someone does cast three sixes then that is not evidence of design or foul play. After all, if you cast the dies, then you must get some result, and if the dies are honest, then any result is equally probable, with the same very small probability, so getting three sixes is then just as likely as getting, for example, a two, and then a four, and then a three. This shows that the improbability of an occurrence is not by itself proof of design or foul play.

    The observation that 65 baktuns are roughly equal to the period of the precession of the equinoxes is by itself not evidence that the Maya knew the precession, and the observation that the real 0.0.0.0.0 falls on a southern solstice when the Sun is in the middle of the Milky Way is therefore by itself no proof that the Maya must have designed their Long Count with the solstice and the Milky Way in mind.

    Without unambiguous evidence from the Maya themselves we'll never be certain why they designed their Long Count in exactly the way they did.
    This says, when I use the best methods we have today, I can not come up with so accurate a prediction, therefore they could not have either. The apparent accuracy is only viewable in hindsight. Any correlation is unintended. The whole cycle against which these people based their lives was "crap shoot"

    NOTE: I am not making a defense of Mayan culture. I'm just pointing out that the author's argument is shabby. Of course, I understand why the author would make that conclusion; because otherwise people would start making claims of design in the universe; or that the Mayans had divine intervention in their society.
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    All that aside, (and back on topic) the background provides a nice setup for a movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by burnout
    The Mayas approached "prophecy" by deeply studying the periodicity of cycles, especially astronomical ones, and their connection (synchronicity) to human events...
    ...such as getting up in the morning and going to bed in the evening.
    They were also ... very aware of the role that human consciousness plays in connecting to and obtaining information from nature.
    I have to admit they were onto somthing here. Unconscious people are indeed not good at obtaining information from nature.

    Sorry, couldn't resist - I know, it could still be a good movie. I didn't see Gibson's last one, but I read the book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    I always thought the Mayan calendar ended in 2012 because...well, that's as far as they got.

    The Mayans' calendar resets and continues after the end of the current cycle.
    Last edited by burnout; 11/01/2005 at 10:21 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by burnout
    The Mayans' calendar resets and continues after the end of the current cycle.
    Ahhh, it was made by ToySoft. Got it!
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    I think poor old Mel is fooling himself if he thinks a movie filmed entirely in ancient Mayan is going to sell well in the U.S. His last movie did well because the subject matter appealed strongly to a particular subset of the U.S. audience. People went to see it in spite of the language, not because of it. It probably would have done even better if filmed in English.

    But I don't think there's a large populuation of Mayan's in the U.S. just dying for a movie about a singular event in their religion, and who will see it in spite of the language barrier. Movies with subtitles will almost always be a niche market in the U.S.

    It'll probably do well on DVD though, with an English sountrack dubbed over the original.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shopharim
    All that aside, (and back on topic) the background provides a nice setup for a movie.
    Exactly. I've heard about the 2012 thing for years from the Art Bell types. I don't personally put much stock in predictions though. They always seem much more accurate in hindsight. Nonetheless, this does make a very interesting concept for a movie.
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    btw, just in case any one was wondering, there were no treos (not even a 90) in the film.
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