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    Thanks, to all the politicians and absolute greed!
  2. #62  
    Quote Originally Posted by dathomas
    Ask the workers of the last American factory that Wal-Mart pushed overseas if they mind their low paying jobs.
    Ask the 1.33 million WalMart employees if they really need patronizing liberal concern for their welfare.

    Ask the American public to stop demanding lower prices for their goods and services.

    Ask the labor unions to stop driving American labor costs up so high that companies are forced to move production overseas or go out of business.
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  3.    #63  
    Quote Originally Posted by phurth
    Ask the American public to stop demanding lower prices for their goods and services.
    Read the research. The demand is not by the consumer (although one could argue the consumer will always buy cheaper, that's the game) it's by the large box-retailer, IE Wal-Mart.
  4. #64  
    But look, the consumer can drive farther, work harder, longer, for less pay, fewer benefits, less security, but the TVís are cheaper!

  5. #65  
    Quote Originally Posted by dathomas
    Read the research. The demand is not by the consumer (although one could argue the consumer will always buy cheaper, that's the game) it's by the large box-retailer, IE Wal-Mart.
    You're not seriously suggesting consumers don't demand lower prices are you??? Do you also believe the Earth is flat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Read the research. The demand is not by the consumer (although one could argue the consumer will always buy cheaper, that's the game) it's by the large box-retailer, IE Wal-Mart.
    Do you not see the inherent contradiction?

    If the consumer will "always buy cheaper" it behoves a retailer to be the provider with the lowest prices. Thus, the demand is in fact by the consumer.

    Now, how does a retailer provide lower prices? By incurring lower costs.
    How does a retailer get lower costs? reduce spending (wages and cost of goods sold)
    How does a retailer get lower cost of goods sold? By from lower priced manufactures/distributors
    How does a manufacturer/distributor get lower prices? incur lower costs to manufacture and deliver (wages and cost of goods sold)

    How does any business get lower wage expenses? Find some willing to work for what you are willing to pay. If no one will do it, you pay more. If someone will do it, hire them (whereever they are).

    What is an outraged citizenry to do? Be willing to pay more for goods and services or be willing to work for less wages.
  7. #67  
    Quote Originally Posted by shopharim
    What is an outraged citizenry to do? Be willing to pay more for goods and services or be willing to work for less wages.

    Would the net result differ in either case?
  8. #68  
    The bottom line is that on the whole, personal productivity is to blame
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  9.    #69  
    Quote Originally Posted by phurth
    You're not seriously suggesting consumers don't demand lower prices are you??? Do you also believe the Earth is flat?
    Yes. Based on the manufacturers working conditions. Unless you're comfortable buying goods from Greek factories using Chinese political prisoners for labor. (Before you think this is an exaggeration, I can assure you, it is the reality we live in)
  10. #70  
    Quote Originally Posted by dathomas
    Yes. Based on the manufacturers working conditions. Unless you're comfortable buying goods from Greek factories using Chinese political prisoners for labor. (Before you think this is an exaggeration, I can assure you, it is the reality we live in)
    That may vey well be. It really has nothing to do with consumer demand driving prices downward. Perhaps better educated consumers would make different buying decisions - at any rate it's not WalMart's fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phurth
    That may vey well be. It really has nothing to do with consumer demand driving prices downward. Perhaps better educated consumers would make different buying decisions - at any rate it's not WalMart's fault.
    Of course it's Wal-Mart's fault. And yes, consumers need to be educated that their purchasing power affects people's lives. Maybe Wal-Mart will take the lead on that and include reports on the factories they purchase from by the shelf price and which American factory was making that product prior to Wal-Mart pushing the manufacturing overseas.
  12. #72  
    Quote Originally Posted by dathomas
    Of course it's Wal-Mart's fault. And yes, consumers need to be educated that their purchasing power affects people's lives. Maybe Wal-Mart will take the lead on that and include reports on the factories they purchase from by the shelf price and which American factory was making that product prior to Wal-Mart pushing the manufacturing overseas.
    Why is it WalMart's fault? Because they have some sort of moral duty to save American factory workers' jobs? WalMart is a company that is answerable to its shareholders. The companies that ran the factories those people used to work in also were accountable to their shareholders. The unions that likely represented those workers and held out for higher wages and benefits until the factories could run no longer are answerable to their members. Industries come and go. That's the way of the world. Why should anyone, much less a private company, keep an uncompetitive factory alive? That's the kind of thinking that would subsidize the buggy-whip factories once it was clear the auto was here to stay.

    Collectively we may have a duty to provide retraining, etc... But we have no duty to support uncompetitive businesses.
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    #73  
    IF we the American public had the work ethic we had previously, even 50 years ago, there would be far less factories outsourced to foreign countries. Workers have no pride in their job anymore. Everyone wants more money, more benefits (benefits are extra perks by the way), less hours, the most convienant hours for them to work and produce shoddy products.
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  14. #74  
    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    IF we the American public had the work ethic we had previously, even 50 years ago, there would be far less factories outsourced to foreign countries. Workers have no pride in their job anymore. Everyone wants more money, more benefits (benefits are extra perks by the way), less hours, the most confienant hours for them to work and produce shoddy products.
    Sounds like you are describing French workers
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Sounds like you are describing French workers
    OUCH, is that what we are turning into.
  16.    #76  
    Quote Originally Posted by phurth
    Why is it WalMart's fault? Because they have some sort of moral duty to save American factory workers' jobs? WalMart is a company that is answerable to its shareholders. The companies that ran the factories those people used to work in also were accountable to their shareholders. The unions that likely represented those workers and held out for higher wages and benefits until the factories could run no longer are answerable to their members. Industries come and go. That's the way of the world. Why should anyone, much less a private company, keep an uncompetitive factory alive? That's the kind of thinking that would subsidize the buggy-whip factories once it was clear the auto was here to stay.

    Collectively we may have a duty to provide retraining, etc... But we have no duty to support uncompetitive businesses.
    As a consumer society we have to have a certain level of loyalty to American made products, Wal-Mart has no loyalty to this country.
  17.    #77  
    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    IF we the American public had the work ethic we had previously, even 50 years ago, there would be far less factories outsourced to foreign countries. Workers have no pride in their job anymore. Everyone wants more money, more benefits (benefits are extra perks by the way), less hours, the most convienant hours for them to work and produce shoddy products.
    Actually, American workers are increasingly putting in more hours at work. Nice rhetoric though.
  18. #78  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    As a consumer society we have to have a certain level of loyalty to American made products, Wal-Mart has no loyalty to this country.
    I dont know anything about Walmart, but just because something is made in the US doesnt necessarily make it a good product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Actually, American workers are increasingly putting in more hours at work. Nice rhetoric though.
    Where did you get that info from. Even if your claim was true the quality of the product produced is poor. The work ethic, my friend, sucks. Ask anyone in any level of management.
  20. #80  
    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    IF we the American public had the work ethic we had previously, even 50 years ago, there would be far less factories outsourced to foreign countries. Workers have no pride in their job anymore. Everyone wants more money, more benefits (benefits are extra perks by the way), less hours, the most convienant hours for them to work and produce shoddy products.
    Ha Ha, funny but WRONG ! Companies are now outsourcing temp jobs (illegal aliens) to have things assembled in China !
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