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    Hmmm. Who said anything about socialism? Not me.
    You claim that capitalism is a problem with regard to vaccines. The alternative is socialism. Unless perhaps you advocate some form of medieval barter system, in which case I stand corrected.
    But I'd like my tax dollars to actually be put to good use. This would be a rare instance where government could actually do good...as opposed to doing nothing, something our government seems particularly good at, especially these days.....
    That's precisely what I proposed when I said a case could be made for the acquisition and distribution of the flu vaccine.
    Oh, and every single flaw you just cited could be said of capitalism as well.
    Really? I'd love to hear an example of somewhere where the free market has caused government bloat, inefficiency or shortages of anything in demand?
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    Maybe I should add that there is no danger for born-again, fundamentalist evangelical Christians in the US. Since evolution does not take place and by-chance mutations leading to new traits are a joke anyway, the virus will of course not evolve, so there is nothing to worry about.

    Those who believe in intelligent design (since the president of the US recommends it for biology classes he seems to be one of them) should maybe answer the question why their intelligent designer seems to work on a new, potentially devastating variant of the avian influenza virus. A newly designed virus which will, of course, hit those country hardest which do not have the capacity of producing enough flu vaccine themselves, countries such as the US.

    Remember last year, when the Bush admin could not find enough vaccine even for the "normal" flu?
    A cheap shot and a non-sequitur in the same post. Impressive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by phurth
    I'd love to hear an example of somewhere where the free market has caused government bloat, inefficiency or shortages of anything in demand?
    Have you been in a cave for the last 40 years? This has been the conservative mantra about OUR government.

    Quote Originally Posted by phurth
    You claim that capitalism is a problem with regard to vaccines. The alternative is socialization. Unless perhaps you advocate some form of medieval barter system, in which case I stand corrected.
    There's a big fuzzy grey area between pure capitalism and pure socialism. I'd like us to find a happy medium.

    Quote Originally Posted by phurth
    That's precisely what I proposed when I said a case could be made for the acquisition and distribution of the flu vaccine.
    Me, too, I just don't want to pay "market price" since if the flu turns out to be as devastating as some think, that price will be mighty high. I'm not advocating GIVING it away, just selling it at cost. It wouldn't kill a big pharma company to be altruistic......

    PS, I spent 4.5 years working for big pharma......
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    Quote Originally Posted by TriangleRocks
    Have you been in a cave for the last 40 years? This has been the conservative mantra about OUR government.
    Right back at ya. What in the world are you talking about? The free market has caused government bloat, inefficiency or shortages of anything in demand? Huh? I think you're confused. That's not the vast right-wing conspiracy I signed up for.
    There's a big fuzzy grey area between pure capitalism and pure socialism. I'd like us to find a happy medium.
    Sorry, but dictating to a private company what price they should sell a product for (no matter how vital) is not a "happy medium." It is a bad precedent. If memory serves, some price controls were placed upon certain vaccines during the Clinton administration. The (predictable) result was the loss of domestic production of said vaccines.
    Me, too, I just don't want to pay "market price" since if the flu turns out to be as devastating as some think, that price will be mighty high. I'm not advocating GIVING it away, just selling it at cost. It wouldn't kill a big pharma company to be altruistic......
    Altruism is a voluntary act. The government can request something... the President can browbeat the pharma companies. But forcing them with all the power at the government's disposal to do that - that's not altruism. That, my friend is socialism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Maybe I should add that there is no danger for born-again, fundamentalist evangelical Christians in the US. Since evolution does not take place and by-chance mutations leading to new traits are a joke anyway, the virus will of course not evolve, so there is nothing to worry about.

    Those who believe in intelligent design (since the president of the US recommends it for biology classes he seems to be one of them) should maybe answer the question why their intelligent designer seems to work on a new, potentially devastating variant of the avian influenza virus. A newly designed virus which will, of course, hit those country hardest which do not have the capacity of producing enough flu vaccine themselves, countries such as the US.

    Remember last year, when the Bush admin could not find enough vaccine even for the "normal" flu?
    So, a mutated virus that destroys the host is your latest example of macroevolution? Allrighty then. Just think in a few bazillion years the avian flu virus will be the most intelligent being on planet earth (except the Swiss of course).

    And I guess the socialized medicine would have passed out the flu vaccine even if it was not quality tested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Maybe I should add that there is no danger for born-again, fundamentalist evangelical Christians in the US. ...
    Sweet! I didn't read the the links you provided but this certainly is good news. And, of course I didn't know the birds were buh-LEEvers, but it is a load off my mind nevertheless.

    Thanx for the cue "clu"
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