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    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    we all know there is corruption on BOTH sides of the aisle, nrg. make up as many lists as you want on the righties. check them twice. someone can do the same with the lefties. im sure you'll find there is a comparable degree of shameful practices going on in both. the only difference is that they have different agendas.

    all this posturing about the indictments and attempting to shame the right for political gain is really quite laughable. its the pot calling the kettle black the left is simply trying to jockey themselves into power again with the blame game, but if elected into power again, would most likely engage in just the same degree of corruption which you are castigating the right over here. like i said, the difference being that it would be utilized to accomplish the democrat`s objectives, with which you are sympathetic.


    i would think you would know enough not to make the claim that the democrats are our knights in shining armour, pure as the driven snow regarding corruption and such in politics.

    i can appreciate that you want to hold accountable all who are abusing public office currently, but i would think any reasonable individual would own up to the fact that there is corruption and dishonesty going on within the other party just the same, and to deny this would be disingeniuous.
    I refer you to the post above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Hobbes, I agree with most of what you say. But my issue is that the ratio of (R) to (D) deeds, verified by the list that I posted, is something to behold. I am sure there are going a few (D) pols that are just as dirty as SOME (R), but not on the scale of this. Sure the (D) had there ethic issues but I think the (R) have taken it to a whole NEW level. That list I had posted for the most part doesn't even include the folks that took money for Abramoff. This issue alone is going to cripple the GOP for years to come. And it is going to be mainly restricted to the (R) side due to the way the GOP had setup lobbying efforts(purging most dems from lobbying efforts). It is insane for any of you folks to look at this situation and say, "Oh, look there is 2 Dems out of 200 Repubs, that did the same thing, therefore both sides are equally corrupt!". At this point you would just be trying to whitewash the whole problem. Let's look at this way, the (R) was in power since 94. This is what happens to some when they are in power, just the Repub party took it to a whole NEW level.

    So, again I ask is there "A Problem in The GOP"?
    I will try to answer it again. Do you really honesty think that a 2 to 200 ratio of Dem vs Rep corruption is a realistic point of view? There is no doubt, and I have never denied, there is corruption among Rep individuals. There is also little doubt that the Dem talking points of "Culture of Corruption" are more prominent in the headlines at the moment. I only pointed out that it is often times just as bad on the other side of the fence as well. If cleaning up the "Culture of Corruption" is truly the Dems goals...then they not only need to look at the Reps, but also at the their own party as well. IMHO, both need a humble shake down.

    A "culture of corruption"...or a culture of hypocrisy?
    Ms. Pelosi, in a press release on October 18, you accused the Speaker of the House and Congressional Republicans of "desperately trying to distract the American people from their culture of corruption and cronyism."[1] In 2002, the Federal Election Commission fined your Political Action Committees $21,000 for violating federal election law. Is this the part of the "culture of corruption" that you are referring to?


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    Mr. Hoyer, your office sent out a media advisory on October 6, inviting reporters to hear you talk about the Republicans' "culture of corruption".[4] We have not obtained a transcript of your press briefing and we were wondering what you said about this "culture of corruption." You violated House Rules when you did not disclose 12 privately funded trips over the course of 8 years.[5] Did the "culture of corruption" you discussed include your violations, or did those rules not apply to your circumstances?

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    Did you discuss the time when your campaign was forced to disgorge campaign contributions from a veteran Democratic fund-raiser who was sentenced to three months in prison for laundering $46,000 in congressional campaign contributions that originated from an Indian diplomat?[6] Also, did you talk about the fine of $15,000 levied on your campaign when it failed to properly report donations totaling more than $140,000?[7]

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    Mr. Emanuel, on NBC's Meet the Press, you called on Republicans to "join Democrats in literally changing the culture of corruption that exists here, that affects all the institutions of the people's House."[13] The Chicago Sun-Times reported employees from the Chicago Department of Water Management won promotions, raises and overtime in exchange for working on your campaign.[14] Is this part of the "culture of corruption" or "honesty in government" that you are looking to change?

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    Mr. Menendez, you sent out a press release on September 28 that stated:
    "Every American deserves their day in court, but today's indictment is further evidence of the culture of corruption that the Republican Congress has fostered."[8] The New York Times reported that you have funneled $200,000 worth of political consulting and fund-raising contracts to Kay LiCausi, your former staffer.[9] Do you think this fosters a "culture of corruption" and is this the type of "cronyism" upon which your party has chosen as it's one and only agenda item?

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    Mr. Clyburn, on September 27, you stood with the rest of the Democrat leadership in a press conference attacking Congressional Republicans for a "culture of corruption."[11] During the press conference, did you mention your trip to Saipan that was allegedly paid for by lobbyist Jack Abramoff? Does that fall into your definition of a "culture of corruption"?!

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    The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee has not returned almost $30,000 in contributions from convicted felon and former Democrat Member of Congress, Frank Ballance, despite calling on Republicans to return campaign money because of allegations against Congressman Tom DeLay.

    FULL STORY, actually a letter that I feel shows not only the corruption of the Reps, but also the call of the "Culture of Corruption" in light of the current Dem party:

    http://www.townhall.com/blogs/capito...10/175082.html
    Getting Serious About Corruption
    Democrats have been claiming that corruption in Congress is a new, and uniquely Republican, phenomenon. But among nearly three dozen lawmakers who lobbied the Interior Department to block a license for an Indian casino in Louisiana after receiving contributions from rival tribes represented by Abramoff were many Democrats, among them Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, and Sen. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, the senior Democrat on the committee investigating Abramoff.

    Democrats, among them President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore, accepted illegal contributions from the Chinese government in 1996.

    FULL STORY with some interesting insights to address corruption across the board: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Com...30_05_JKE.html
    For instance, new Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle took illegal campaign contributions from John Huang. The Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee will be chaired by Senator Edward M. Kennedy, who also took illegal campaign contributions from John Huang and his accomplices. He is responsible for the death of Mary Jo Kopechne, a likely crime that he covered up. Senator Chris Dodd, who will chair the Rules and Administration Committee, was Chairman to the Democratic National Committee and was one of the masterminds of the Chinagate scandal. Senator Carl Levin, who will chair the Armed Services Committee, also is implicated in the Chinagate scandal, he too having taken illegal money from John Huang. Senator John Kerry, who will chair the Small Business Committee, took illegal campaign contributions from Judicial Watch client and Chinagate figure Johnny Chung. (Chung has made amends by telling the truth about the scandal.) Senator Joseph Biden, who will chair the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, admitted committing plagiarism during his Senate career. And, Senator Patrick Leahy, who will chair the Judiciary Committee, is not known for his honesty.
    http://www.nodnc.com/modules.php?nam...showpage&pid=8 (I know this is a biased site, but the individual events are easily googled...it just put them all together instead of so many extra links)
    Hillary Fund-raiser Tapes Spur New Probes
    Secretly recorded audiotapes that helped drive the prosecution of Hillary Clinton's one-time finance director David Rosen have prompted investigations into the fund-raising activities of other top Democratic figures, a newspaper familiar with the contents of those tapes reported on Friday.

    Ted Kennedy brother-in-law Raymond Reggie agreed to wear a wire for the FBI in 2002 while facing bank fraud and conspiracy charges in another case. It was Reggie's tapes that captured Rosen making incriminating statements about his role in an August 2000 gala fund-raiser for Mrs. Clinton.

    But according to the New Orleans Times-Picayune, Reggie's tapes have helped instigate at least two additional FBI probes of political figures, including one involved in a "national campaign."

    FULL STORY: HERE
    New York Daily News:
    Continuing Issues with Hillary
    Hillary's lawyers try to quash old report


    WASHINGTON - The independent counsel investigation that led to the conviction of a former Clinton administration housing chief could come back to haunt Sen. Hillary Clinton.
    The Daily News has learned that lawyers are fighting to suppress a potentially embarrassing final report from the probe that found Housing Secretary Henry Cisneros lied to the FBI about paying $250,000 in hush money to his ex-mistress.

    Cisneros paid a $10,000 fine after he was found guilty in 1999 and was later pardoned by Bill Clinton. And though neither Hillary Clinton nor her husband was targeted by independent counsel David Barrett, his 420-page final report sent to a special court 13 months ago will include alleged abuses of power by his administration, sources told The News.

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    In April, Sens. John Kerry (D-Mass.), **** Durbin (D-Ill.) and Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.) tried to ax the probe - which has cost $22 million, including $1 million for the first six months of this year - by cutting Barrett's budget, saying it's a waste of money, but Republicans stopped them.

    Williams and Connolly has since tried to quash the report, which probably would be released amid Clinton's 2006 Senate reelection bid.

    FULL STORY: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/stor...p-300116c.html
    On Sunday, June 18, the headline of the Washington Post read, "Political Dirty Tricks Alleged in Alabama Trial," but the story revealed something far more serious than "dirty tricks." A Democrat lawyer and a private investigator are now being tried for attempting to defeat a Republican candidate in 1998 by bribing a prostitute to accuse the Republican of raping her. The prostitute recanted and turned witness against the two "Democrats."
    http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/column.php?id=372
    Democrat William Jefferson is under investigation for a telecom deal he was trying to arrange in Nigeria.
    the tight Senate race between Sen. Tim Johnson (D) and Rep. John Thune (R) in South Dakota is being tainted by Democratic-party registration efforts on Indian reservations where the names of dead people are turning up on Democratic registration cards and absentee ballots.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...nett110402.asp
    Democratic transgressions: Kevin Shelley, the former secretary of state of California, resigned earlier this year in the middle of investigations into alleged misuse of public funds; ex-Rep. Frank Ballance (D-NC) is about to go to prison for directing public money to his family and himself; and an FBI sting operation is thought to involve Rep. William Jefferson (D-LA).
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5036329
    Florida Sen. Mandy Dawson has made headlines for all the wrong reasons before. In 2002 she was arrested and charged with prescription drug fraud.
    http://www.local10.com/slideshow/new...ws;dm=ss;w=320
    Republican lawmakers say that ties between Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) and his brother’s lobbying firm, KSA Consulting, may warrant investigation by the House ethics committee.

    The calls come as Murtha, a former Marine and pro-military Democrat, has made headlines this week by coming out in support of a rapid withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.

    According to a June 13 article in The Los Angeles Times, the fiscal 2005 defense appropriations bill included more than $20 million in funding for at least 10 companies for whom KSA lobbied. Carmen Scialabba, a longtime Murtha aide, works at KSA as well.

    KSA directly lobbied Murtha’s office on behalf of seven companies, and a Murtha aide told a defense contractor that it should retain KSA to represent it, according to the LA Times.

    http://www.rollcall.com/issues/1_1/b...s/11329-1.html


    Former Rep. Frank Ballance was sentenced Wednesday to four years in prison for conspiring to divert taxpayer money to his law firm and family through a charitable organization he helped start.

    Ballance, 63, a longtime state legislator before being elected to Congress, has until Dec. 30 to turn himself in, U.S. District Court Judge Terrence Boyle ruled.

    Ballance also agreed to repay $61,917.25 and to forfeit $203,000 in a bank escrow account in the name of the John A. Hyman Memorial Foundation. The forfeited funds will be returned to North Carolina taxpayers, prosecutor Dennis Duffy said.

    FULL STORY: http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observe...l/12888303.htm

    From September 1999 to August 2001, Moran paid $1,200 a month to rent a townhouse from Robert B. Nealon, a partner in an Alexandria law firm with Moran's brother, state Del. Brian J. Moran (D). Nealon registered in February 1999 to represent International Technology Resources Inc., a consulting firm that was seeking to influence House Appropriations Committee action on the Next Generation Internet, a White House technology initiative. Moran's defense subcommittee subsequently approved $36 million with his support.
    Nealon later helped form a political action committee that contributed $4,000 to Moran's 2002 campaign -- the biggest donation made by the PAC. The committee, the Nuclear Bio Chem PAC, was financed mainly by two employees of another Nealon client, Alexandria-based CRE Inc., a small technology firm specializing in biological weapon detection.

    FULL STORY: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

    FBI Investigates Democrats on Steele's Credit Report

    Federal prosecutors are investigating whether two Democratic Party researchers in Washington illegally obtained the credit report of Maryland Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele as they conducted opposition research on the likely Republican Senate candidate.

    Phil Singer, a spokesman for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, acknowledged yesterday that two of his organization's employees had resigned as a result of the episode, which he said was subsequently referred to the U.S. attorney's office by the Democratic committee

    Under federal law, it is illegal to knowingly and willfully obtain a credit report under false pretenses. A spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney's office for the District of Columbia confirmed last night that an investigation by its fraud and public corruption section is proceeding with the assistance of the FBI.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092001534.html

    Congressman Jim McDermott this week returned a $5,000 contribution made to his legal defense fund by an Iraqi-American businessman who has admitted to financial ties with Saddam Hussein's regime.

    Shakir al-Khafaji, a Detroit-area businessman who had been active in the anti-Iraq-war movement and who accompanied McDermott, D-Seattle, on his highly publicized trip to Iraq in 2002, acknowledged to the Financial Times of London this week that he received lucrative vouchers for Iraqi oil from Saddam's government.

    The oil-voucher story surfaced in January, when a Baghdad newspaper published what it said was an Iraqi government document naming 270 recipients of oil vouchers from around the world. Al-Khafaji was one of two Americans on the list, which included French, British and Russian political and business leaders and many prominent opponents of the war.

    In 2002, Al-Khafaji accompanied McDermott and Reps. Mike Thompson, D-Calif., and David Bonior, D-Mich., on a trip to Iraq, during which McDermott gained national attention for criticizing President Bush and calling for an alternative to war.

    After the trip, Al-Khafaji donated $5,000 to McDermott's legal defense fund set up by the congressman to pay expenses from an unrelated lawsuit.

    FULL STORY: http://archives.seattletimes.nwsourc...uery=McDermott

    FBI Sting Targeted Louisiana Lawmaker

    Rep. William J. Jefferson (D-La.), a veteran member of the Ways and Means Committee whose homes in Washington and New Orleans were raided by the FBI last week, had been the target of an undercover FBI sting involving public corruption for nearly a year, according to law enforcement sources.

    Investigators are looking into whether Jefferson illegally pocketed hundreds of thousands of dollars of an investor's money from business transactions during the sting, according to the sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the case.

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    The warrants also indicate that federal investigators are particularly interested in the connections between Jefferson and a small technology company, iGate Inc. in Louisville, Ky., the source said. The company was one sponsor of a weeklong, $16,312 trip Jefferson made to Africa last year, records show.

    FULL STORY: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...081201678.html
    Ealier we pointed out that Representative Ford of Tennessee announced his candidacy for the United States Senate and shortly thereafter noted that Tennessee State Senator John Ford (they are related) had been arrested in an FBI corruption probe. The announcement by the one Ford and the arrest of the other put a cloud over what has been a long-standing Tennessee political dynasty. Now Senator Ford has resigned:

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) Powerful state Sen. John Ford, now under house arrest as he awaits trial in a federal corruption case, has resigned, according to a letter read Saturday by the lieutenant governor.
    The scandal involves several Tennessee politicians taking bribes, while Senator Ford is additionally accused of threatening to kill a witness. Sort of a southern-fried La Cosa Nostra, eh?

    While the case of Senator Ford does not seem to directly related to Representative Ford, it can't be a good thing to have the name "Ford" in Tennessee politics right about now.

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    Rep. Cynthia McKinney admits that she broke government rules by spending money to fly a celebrity to Atlanta.

    Channel 2 Action News has uncovered documents showing McKinney, D-Ga., spent about $1,000 of taxpayer's money to fly singer Isaac Hayes to Georgia to help dedicate a new office in Atlanta.

    The money came from a fund members of Congress are supposed to use for office supplies.

    Using the money to pay for Hayes' airline ticket and hotel expenses is a violation of strict congressional rules. Those rules state that taxpayer money can only be used for "travel by Members, Members' employees and vendors. A vendor is an employee of a private company that provides maintenance and support for equipment and software..."

    Watchdog groups call taxpayer-funded celebrity travel a blatant waste of taxpayer money.

    McKinney staffers say they will reimburse the congressional fund for the cost of Hayes' flight and hotel room.

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    Disclosure statements also show that Senator Barbara Boxer, ... directed $15,000 from her political action committee in 2003 to a consulting firm run by her son.

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    Since she was elected to Congress seven years ago, Rep. Corrine Brown has eluded creditors, filed incomplete financial disclosure reports and run afoul of the Internal Revenue Service.
    A St. Petersburg Times review of the Jacksonville Democrat's financial records indicates she failed to disclose the $40,000 sale of her Tallahassee travel agency and improperly reported the sale of her Gainesville agency.

    State and federal records also show how Brown left a trail of unpaid bills from businesses she owned in Gainesville, Jacksonville and Tallahassee during the early 1990s.

    Brown was sued by a consortium of airlines for $94,000 in 1994 because her company, Springfield Travel Agency Inc., allegedly falsified sales reports and did not pay its bills. Delta Air Lines revoked her authority to write tickets because of an unpaid $7,237 bill. She owed $5,697 to the University of Florida, but when she wrote a check for part of the bill, the check bounced.

    In addition, her company was pursued by the IRS for $14,228 in unpaid taxes and by the Whirlpool Corp. for $10,227 in appliances that weren't paid for.

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    Chuck Schumer's researcher at the DSCC has plead guilty to stealing Maryland Lt. Governor Michael Steele's credit report, and — as Democrats tend to — will avoid jail time...


    A former Democratic staffer pleaded guilty today to computer fraud for snooping on Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele.

    Under the plea agreement in U.S. District Court, Lauren B. Weiner, 25, avoids jail time, but she has a year to do 150 hours of community service.

    Steele -- a Republican running for U.S. Senate -- was notified by Democrats in Washington that a staffer used Steele's Social Security number to obtain his credit report last year. Weiner was fired from the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee after the breach was discovered.


    Missing from both the story and the plea is the name of Chuck Schumer, the chairman of the DSCC, for whom Weiner was working for.

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    On Friday, a federal judge unsealed several documents in the ongoing criminal case against former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman, two former members of his Cabinet, and former HealthSouth Chairman Richard Scrushy.

    One document is a transcript of grand jury testimony of Siegelman's former executive secretary Nick Bailey's from 2004. According to Bailey's testimony, Siegelman "wanted $500,000 from former HealthSouth Chairman Richard Scrushy, who wanted a position on a state health panel in return."


    Bailey pleaded guilty in 2003 to taking bribes while working for Siegelman and is now cooperating with prosecutors.

    He testified that Scrushy had supported Siegelman's opponent, Republican incumbent Fob James, in the 1998 race for governor, and that to smooth over their differences, Siegelman wanted $500,000 in contributions to his campaign to legalize a state lottery. Bailey said Siegelman arrived at the figure by calculating that Scrushy had raised $350,000 for James and then added interest to it.

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    The Korea-U.S. Exchange Council (KORUSEC) is, according to Roll Call, "at the heart of a growing scandal over foreign travel" that involves a number of lawmakers... including Democrats...

    Roll Call reports that In November 2003, KORUSEC flew five lawmakers—including Democrats Mike Honda (D-Calif.), Jim McDermott (D-Wash.), Donald Payne (D-N.J.), Earl Pomeroy (D-N.D.) and Del. Eni Faleomavaega (D-American Samoa)—to Seoul "in the first of what it hoped would be an annual Thanksgiving Day event."

    KORUSEC is a registered foreign agent.

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    Hmm... why wasn't this big news?

    Two political action committees linked to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi have been charged with attempting to circumvent to legal limits on campaign giving, the Federal Election Commission has ruled.
    According to the March 2004 FEC finding, Pelosi appears to have violated the same kind of arcane campaign finance regulation that spurred the indictment of House Majority Leader Tom DeLay this week.



    http://www.noagenda.org/
    headlines over the last three months. The below are headline from September - just over 3 months of Democrat corruption.

    - An independent counsel who investigated possible tax violations by former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Henry Cisneros charged that the Clinton administration thwarted his efforts to get to the truth.

    - U.S. Rep. William Jefferson (D-La.) is under criminal investigation by the U.S. Justice Department for possible bribery in exchange for promoting business deals in Africa

    - Federal prosecutors alleged in court documents that Ernest Newton, a former state Democrat Connecticut senator worked with a reputed mobster and his associate to try to stop police raids on businesses and advance their business interests

    - Clarence Norman Jr., the longtime powerbroker of Brooklyn NY Democrats was found guilty of intentionally soliciting illegal campaign contributions.

    - A top aide to Jim Black, the Democratic speaker of the state Legislature of North Carolina, resigned amid reports he had received payments from a company hoping for the lottery contract. The .State Board of Elections is investigating Black's campaign finances. The investigation comes after the group Democracy North Carolina said it found evidence that video-poker operators were funneling money through unsuspecting donors to Black's campaign.

    - West Virginia.Logan County Clerk Glen Dale "Hound Dog" Adkins admitted to selling his vote for $500 in the 1996 Democratic Party primary, while Perry French Harvey Jr. pleaded guilty to conspiring to bribe voters in last year's Democratic contest

    - Former Democat Gov. Donald Siegelman of Alabama was charged in a "widespread racketeering conspiracy" that includes accusations he took a bribe from former hospital executive Richard Scrushy for a key state appointment.

    - Frank Ballance - a former Democrat Rep. from North Carolina was sentenced to four years in federal prison for conspiring to divert taxpayer money to his law firm and family through a charitable organization he helped start. Ballance, was a state senator before being elected to Congress in 2002, also agreed to repay $61,917 and to forfeit $203,000 in a bank escrow account in the name of the John A. Hyman Memorial Foundation.

    - Five Democratic activists in Wisconsin accused of slashing the tires of vans rented by Republicans on Election Day 2004 are currently on trial

    - Chuck Chvala, a Former Democrat Wisconsin Senate Majority Leader was sentenced to nine months in jail for felony misconduct in office and illegally funneling campaign contributions. Chvala had reached a plea deal with prosecutors earlier this year, admitting to charges that he directed a state employee to run a political campaign and used an independent expenditure group to funnel campaign contributions to a fellow Democrat.

    - Brett Pfeffer, a former legislative director to Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., pleaded guilty to aiding and abetting bribery of a public official and conspiracy.

    - Raymond Reggie, a New Orleans political Democratic consultant and fund-raiser who is Senator Kennedy's brother-in-law was sentenced to a year in prison yesterday after pleading guilty to bank fraud charges.

    http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Com...Corruption.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    Do you really honesty think that a 2 to 200 ratio of Dem vs Rep corruption is a realistic point of view? There is no doubt, and I have never denied, there is corruption among Rep individuals. There is also little doubt that the Dem talking points of "Culture of Corruption" are more prominent in the headlines at the moment. I only pointed out that it is often times just as bad on the other side of the fence as well. If cleaning up the "Culture of Corruption" is truly the Dems goals...then they not only need to look at the Reps, but also at the their own party as well. IMHO, both need a humble shake down.

    A "culture of corruption"...or a culture of hypocrisy?


    Getting Serious About Corruption



    Hillary Fund-raiser Tapes Spur New Probes
    LOL..... You tried to give logic.... I witnessed it. You didn't want to go down the route of "We'll the other side is as bad.... see here!" It was obvious that to simply state that both major sides of the political spectrum are guilty of the same duties wasn't enough. It's sad that it has to come down to points like a football game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    That list I had posted for the most part doesn't even include the folks that took money for Abramoff. This issue alone is going to cripple the GOP for years to come. And it is going to be mainly restricted to the (R) side due to the way the GOP had setup lobbying efforts(purging most dems from lobbying efforts). It is insane for any of you folks to look at this situation and say, "Oh, look there is 2 Dems out of 200 Repubs, that did the same thing, therefore both sides are equally corrupt!"
    Again, there is no doubt that Reps were involved, but again the Dems had their hand in the cookie jar as well:


    Democrats Also Got Tribal Donations
    Abramoff Issue's Fallout May Extend Beyond the GOP


    By Jeffrey H. Birnbaum and Derek Willis
    Washington Post Staff Writers


    Lobbyist Jack Abramoff and an associate famously collected $82 million in lobbying and public relations fees from six Indian tribes and devoted a lot of their time to trying to persuade Republican lawmakers to act on their clients' behalf.

    But Abramoff didn't work just with Republicans. He oversaw a team of two dozen lobbyists at the law firm Greenberg Traurig that included many Democrats. Moreover, the campaign contributions that Abramoff directed from the tribes went to Democratic as well as Republican legislators.

    Among the biggest beneficiaries were Capitol Hill's most powerful Democrats, including Thomas A. Daschle (S.D.) and Harry M. Reid (Nev.), the top two Senate Democrats at the time, Richard A. Gephardt (Mo.), then-leader of the House Democrats, and the two lawmakers in charge of raising funds for their Democratic colleagues in both chambers, according to a Washington Post study. Reid succeeded Daschle as Democratic leader after Daschle lost his Senate seat last November.

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    Most lobbying firms here are bipartisan, to give their clients access to key lawmakers of both major parties. Abramoff's group was no exception. Although he was recognized as a Republican lobbyist who was close to DeLay and other party leaders, Abramoff was careful to add at least two Democratic lobbyists to his group during his five years at Greenberg Traurig. By the end, seven of his lobbyists were Democrats.
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    But Rep. Patrick J. Kennedy (D-R.I.) ran second, with $128,000 in the same period. From 1999 to 2001, Kennedy chaired the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which solicited campaign donations for House candidates.

    The Indians' largess flowed to higher-ranking Democrats as well. Senate Democratic leaders Reid and Daschle each received more than $40,000 from the tribes and from lobbyists on Abramoff's team during the period. Gephardt got $32,500.

    Of the 18 largest recipients of tribe contributions directed by Abramoff's group, six, or one-third, were Democrats. These included Sen. Patty Murray (Wash.), who chaired the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee from 2001 to 2002, and Sen. Byron L. Dorgan (N.D.), a leader in Indian affairs legislation.

    Over that period, while Abramoff and his lobbyists directed nearly $4 million in funds from the tribes to lawmakers, they also gave from their own pockets. Two-thirds of the total went to Republicans and one-third was handed out to Democrats, according to The Post's calculations.


    FULL STORY: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...202158_pf.html


    Here is a copy of the full size graphic that shows everything in detail:
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    well, well, well. isn't THAT interesting? what was that you said, nrg? something about the repubs taking this to a new level? I refer you to the above post.
    you know, right now these investigations are focusing on repubs, obviously because they hold the majority, but what are you going to say when we begin to see MORE of these investigations exposing similar scandals in the democrat operations as well?
    you are intent on trying to lynch repubs here, and claim we are trying to whitewash what's going on. but what we are seeing again and again here is that both sides are playing the exact same game - whether you want to concede that or not. . they both use the same "grease" to oil the wheel, so to speak. so when, not if, we begin to see more of the dems' dirty work exposed in the months or years to come, I will enjoy hearing your excuses as to why the amount of corruption on both ends has turned out to be nearly equal, or much closer than you had claimed it to be back here. I am REALLY looking forward to that. its just a matter of time before the truth is brought out, and at that point, I will be all ears.
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    Boy, this thread seemed to have died a sudden death.
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    Oh this thread is not dead, just stewwing. Now if these Dems get indicted then we have a problem. As I said I left out most of the Abramoff stuff due to it not being to easy to prove. But if you go over the list I posted you will see most of those GOP people have already been indicted or prosecuted. When we have some real dirt on Abramoff's dealings then we will see some of this come to light. We should not be too far awawy from that point with Mr. Scanlon rolling.
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    Problems in the dems are coming from within it would appear.

    North Dakota Rep. Earl Pomeroy is accusing Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean of overstepping his bounds, saying the former presidential candidate should not give up on the war in Iraq.

    On Monday, Dean likened the war in Iraq to Vietnam and said, "The idea that the United States is going to win the war in Iraq is just plain wrong."

    "My words to Howard Dean are simple - shut up," Pomeroy told WDAY Radio in North Dakota on Thursday.

    http://www.bismarcktribune.com/artic...ate/106702.prt
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    Problems in the dems are coming from within it would appear.

    North Dakota Rep. Earl Pomeroy is accusing Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean of overstepping his bounds, saying the former presidential candidate should not give up on the war in Iraq.

    On Monday, Dean likened the war in Iraq to Vietnam and said, "The idea that the United States is going to win the war in Iraq is just plain wrong."

    "My words to Howard Dean are simple - shut up," Pomeroy told WDAY Radio in North Dakota on Thursday.

    http://www.bismarcktribune.com/artic...ate/106702.prt
    Disagreement is problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Disagreement is problem?
    A party member telling the chairman in public to "shut up" is not a problem in and of itself, but it sure points to a deeper problem if they have to go public with it.
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    Cunningham and MZM: The White House Connection
    Today, Duke Cunningham pled guilty to receiving over $2 million in bribes from Mitchell Wade and his company, MZM Inc., in exchange for legislative favors. It’s worth noting that MZM also did some unusual business with the White House:

    [O]ver the past three years it [MZM Inc.] was also awarded several contracts, worth more than $600,000, by the Executive Office of the President. They include a $140,000 deal for office furniture in 2002 and several for unspecified “intelligence services.”

    Why did the White House hire MZM, a “defense and intelligence firm,” to buy office furniture for the White House?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...062701856.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    Again, there is no doubt that Reps were involved, but again the Dems had their hand in the cookie jar as well:


    Democrats Also Got Tribal Donations
    Abramoff Issue's Fallout May Extend Beyond the GOP
    Here is a Washington Post graphic detailing how the money was split among Reps, Independents, PACs, and Dems:


    Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...121200286.html
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    From CNN.com

    NEW YORK (AP) -- President Bush authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans and others inside the United States -- without getting search warrants -- following the Sept. 11 attacks, The New York Times reports.

    The presidential order, which Bush signed in 2002, has allowed the agency to monitor the international phone calls and international e-mails of hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of people inside the United States, according to a story posted Thursday on the Times' Web site.

    Before the new program began, the NSA typically limited its domestic surveillance to foreign embassies and missions and obtained court orders to do so. Under the post-Sept. 11 program, the NSA has eavesdropped, without warrants, on as many 500 people inside the United States at any given time. Overseas, 5,000 to 7,000 people suspected of terrorist ties are monitored at one time.

    The Times said reporters interviewed nearly a dozen current and former administration officials about the program and granted them anonymity because of the classified nature of the program.

    Government officials credited the new program with uncovering several terrorist plots, including one by Iyman Faris, an Ohio trucker who pleaded guilty in 2003 to supporting al Qaeda by planning to destroy the Brooklyn Bridge, the report said.

    But some NSA officials were so concerned about the legality of the program that they refused to participate, the Times said. Questions about the legality of the program led the administration to temporarily suspend it last year and impose new restrictions.

    Caroline Fredrickson, director of the Washington legislative office of the American Civil Liberties Union, said the group's initial reaction to the disclosure was "shock that the administration has gone so far in violating American civil liberties to the extent where it seems to be a violation of federal law."

    Asked about the administration's contention that the eavesdropping has disrupted terrorist attacks, Fredrickson said the ACLU couldn't comment until it sees some evidence. "They've veiled these powers in secrecy so there's no way for Congress or any independent organizations to exercise any oversight."

    The Bush administration had briefed congressional leaders about the program and notified the judge in charge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the secret Washington court that handles national security issues.

    Aides to National Intelligence Director John Negroponte and West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, declined to comment Thursday night.

    The Times said it delayed publication of the report for a year because the White House said it could jeopardize continuing investigations and alert would-be terrorists that they might be under scrutiny. The Times said it omitted information from the story that administration officials argued could be useful to terrorists.




    What's next putting cameras in the street so they can monitor our every move???
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    As Paul Harvey would say

    The Rest of the Story

    NYT 'SPYING' SPLASH TIED TO BOOK RELEASE
    Fri Dec 16 200 11:27:16 ET

    **Exclusive**

    Newspaper fails to inform readers "news break" is tied to book publication

    On the front page of today's NEW YORK TIMES, national security reporter James Risen claims that "months after the September 11 attacks, President Bush secretly authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans and others inside the United States... without the court approved warrants ordinarily required for domestic spying, according to government officials."

    Risen claims the White House asked the paper not to publish the article, saying that it could jeopardize continuing investigations and alert would-be terrorists that they might be under scrutiny.

    Risen claims the TIMES delayed publication of the article for a year to conduct additional reporting.

    But now comes word James Risen's article is only one of many "explosive newsbreaking" stories that can be found -- in his upcoming book -- which he turned in 3 months ago!

    The paper failed to reveal the urgent story was tied to a book release and sale.

    "STATE OF WAR: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration" is to be published by FREE PRESS in the coming weeks, sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.

    Carisa Hays, VP, Director of Publicity FREE PRESS, confirms the book is being published.

    The book editor of Bush critic Richard Clarke [AGAINST ALL ENEMIES] signed Risen to FREE PRESS.
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    Successful election in Iraq means the Dems and their media megaphones need to change the topic.
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    The fact that the book is coming out maybe the case of this leak but the point is: Are we now giving up our freedom? Soon they can go into your home w/out a search warrant of any kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hizd4Life
    The fact that the book is coming out maybe the case of this leak but the point is: Are we now giving up our freedom? Soon they can go into your home w/out a search warrant of any kind.
    I see it more as an advertisement for the book. Media sensationlism sells. If you read the article the "spying" is tracking limited international e-mail/phone calls in an effort to thwart terrorism. People b*tch if someone is apprehended and interrogated for being suspected of terrorism, they b*itch if the gov't makes it harder for someone to enter the country, they b*tch if a possible terror suspect is tracked through e-mail traffic, and I guarentee they will be the first to b*itch if a terrorist strikes in their town/city/state, complaining on how the administration did not do enough to prevent it.
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    Cardio,
    You do have a point .... people are going to B*tch regardless. I guess there is no medium...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hizd4Life
    Cardio,
    You do have a point .... people are going to B*tch regardless. I guess there is no medium...
    No there is no medium and unfortunately the society we live in today requires us to give up some of our freedom. Are you old enough to remember bomb drills in school and the home bomb shelter just in case we were nuked? Remember when you did not need a car alarm, an alarm for your house, and security cameras were a novelty? When was the last time you left your door unlocked (intentionally) when you left the house, or left a package on the porch for someone to stop by and pick-up?
    "If It Weren't For The United States Military"
    "There Would Be NO United States of America"
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    It is sad.... But all the above was before my time. Can't we all jsut get along...
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