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  1. #41  
    Quote Originally Posted by duanedude1
    Correction- maybe it was Kennedy, Byrd, and Clinton??? So Much Democratic corruption, I can't keep track.

    Nope! Monica survived her daliance with Democratic Socialist power.

    Does anyone else remember "Rosty" Rostenkowski? James "Bad Hair Piece" Trafficant? How about the very well dressed senator from NJ...Mr. Robert "Mobbed Up" Torricelli?

    Corruption in Washington? Why, it just started in when Chimpy arrived!
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    Quote Originally Posted by phurth
    I agree completely about the media culture and where it's brought us. I wasn't making any claims to his guilt or innocence, simply answering 1911's question.

    Have a safe trip!

    cool -- thanks -- things have changed several times, so it's not a go until wheels up...

    I'm glad you feel similarly about the media culture -- I used to watch that cable shouting head crap, though I've not seen it now in years. (Nowadays the only thing I ever see on cable is the History channel.)
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  3. #43  
    Quote Originally Posted by phurth
    Kennedy, Byrd and Condit!

    Winner!

    Now for extra credit, name the congressman that was censured for having a "call boy" ring ran from his house! (Under his nose, as it were.)

    Hint: His sister is Ann Lewis

    Hint: He later lost his Library of Congress privleges over this matter, since he was convicted of bending over pages!
  4. #44  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Winner!

    Now for extra credit, name the congressman that was censured for having a "call boy" ring ran from his house! (Under his nose, as it were.)

    Hint: His sister is Ann Lewis

    Hint: He later lost his Library of Congress privleges over this matter, since he was convicted of bending over pages!

    he was censored, and apologized -- and no criminal conduct alleged on his part (intials BF)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Winner!

    Now for extra credit, name the congressman that was censured for having a "call boy" ring ran from his house! (Under his nose, as it were.)

    Hint: His sister is Ann Lewis

    Hint: He later lost his Library of Congress privleges over this matter, since he was convicted of bending over pages!
    Barney Frank. C'mon - we need harder questions!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    he was censored, and apologized -- and no criminal conduct alleged on his part (intials BF)

    Do you remember how he was laughing as the House censured him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Do you remember how he was laughing as the House censured him?
    I've met him (twice) -- and he's not a particulary warm and fuzzy guy.

    cold arrogant -- but very very smart.
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    Agreed...he is brilliant.

    I remember him during the Clinton impeachment hearings, saying he knows how painful the process is. Then I remembered him laughing during his censure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    that creep is in jail for the rapes -- he was not charged with her murder mostly because of the AWFUL way the Condit case was handled.

    the police are partly responsible -- but they were in large part being driven by the howling dogs of the Faux news et ceteras

    (I have thought about doing something on these events for a long while...)
    I agree he is a creep and should stay in jail, however I disagree that he was not charged because of the Codit connection and Fox news (that is a stretch even for you) controlling the DC police. I am not convinced the Condit is all that innocent either, there is an awful lot of circumstanial evidence. The split out here in CA is down the middle also, but not divided by party lines which I found interesting during the investigations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Nope! Monica survived her daliance with Democratic Socialist power.

    Does anyone else remember "Rosty" Rostenkowski? James "Bad Hair Piece" Trafficant? How about the very well dressed senator from NJ...Mr. Robert "Mobbed Up" Torricelli?

    Corruption in Washington? Why, it just started in when Chimpy arrived!

    no kidding. when democrats get tangled up in these money laundering schemes and violations of the public trust, the individuals here who jump all over rove and delay are curiously quiet as mice.

    the guilty deserve to be punished, and im not defending anyone who has abused their position in public office here, but for the dems to talk as if the very same corruption doesnt occur just as frequently on THEIR side of the aisle is truly laughable. it really is. the kennedys, torricelli, mcgreevey, corzine, etc. please.

    those who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    I agree he is a creep and should stay in jail, however I disagree that he was not charged because of the Codit connection and Fox news (that is a stretch even for you) controlling the DC police. I am not convinced the Condit is all that innocent either, there is an awful lot of circumstanial evidence. The split out here in CA is down the middle also, but not divided by party lines which I found interesting during the investigations.
    Cardio -- you're in Ca. ?? why did I think you were a DCer? You like the skins right ?

    The Condit travesty was driven 24/7 by FAUX news and the others of their ilk. The police had tunnel vision toward Gary because of the obsessive coverage that this story was getting. It was not handled in any fashion like a normal investigation of a missing women. It was given much more attention -- but the wrong kind of attention.

    The police "searched every inch of Rock Creek Park" but did not find that poor women's body 100 yards from a major jogging/biking trail. By the time she was found (more than a year after her death) her skeletal remains were dispersed by the park's wild animals.

    What evidence could have been discovered was mishandled to an unbeleivable degree by incompetent police detectives.

    Private forsenic investigators hired by the family of Chandra Levy looked at the death site after the police finished their examination. They discovered potentially important evidence unobserved by the police (including bones). Embarrassed, the police returned to redo the examination.

    The DC police had a strong motive for not acknowledging that the Salvadorean convicted of rape and attempted murder was the primary suspect in the case. He had I believe at least couple of other victims after Chandra Levy was killed -- and if he really was the killer all the considerable attention (to the point of harrassment) devoted on Condit was destructively idiotic.

    That Salvadorian's MO was consistent with what happened to Chandra. He attacked nearly all of his victims either in or around the park. His usual method was by surprising women joggers or walkers from behind.

    Condit took and passed a polygraph early on -- his only faux pas in the scandal was in attempting to not publicly reveal the depth of his relationship with Chandra. He cooperated fully with the police in the investigation.

    It was another of these media driven public "scandals" where an alleged illicit sexual affair -- Hart, Clinton, Condit -- are the subject of obsesive mindless pursuit.

    One of the most delicious quotes I remember the police chief saying about the investigation and the Salvadorian:" we asked him, and he said he didn't do it..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    Cardio -- you're in Ca. ?? why did I think you were a DCer? You like the skins right ?

    The Condit travesty was driven 24/7 by FAUX news and the others of their ilk. The police had tunnel vision toward Gary because of the obsessive coverage that this story was getting. It was not handled in any fashion like a normal investigation of a missing women. It was given much more attention -- but the wrong kind of attention.

    The police "searched every inch of Rock Creek Park" but did not find that poor women's body 100 yards from a major jogging/biking trail. By the time she was found (more than a year after her death) her skeletal remains were dispersed by the park's wild animals.

    What evidence could have been discovered was mishandled to an unbeleivable degree by incompetent police detectives.

    Private forsenic investigators hired by the family of Chandra Levy looked at the death site after the police finished their examination. They discovered potentially important evidence unobserved by the police (including bones). Embarrassed, the police returned to redo the examination.

    The DC police had a strong motive for not acknowledging that the Salvadorean convicted of rape and attempted murder was the primary suspect in the case. He had I believe at least couple of other victims after Chandra Levy was killed -- and if he really was the killer all the considerable attention (to the point of harrassment) devoted on Condit was destructively idiotic.

    That Salvadorian's MO was consistent with what happened to Chandra. He attacked nearly all of his victims either in or around the park. His usual method was by surprising women joggers or walkers from behind.

    Condit took and passed a polygraph early on -- his only faux pas in the scandal was in attempting to not publicly reveal the depth of his relationship with Chandra. He cooperated fully with the police in the investigation.

    It was another of these media driven public "scandals" where an alleged illicit sexual affair -- Hart, Clinton, Condit -- are the subject of obsesive mindless pursuit.

    One of the most delicious quotes I remember the police chief saying about the investigation and the Salvadorian:" we asked him, and he said he didn't do it..."
    I am in CA now (a neighbor of Sheehan until a couple on months ago), free travel all over the world (FL, MS, MD, AL, AR, AK, KS, IL, TX, CA, MA, Germany, France, Italy, Saudi, Kuwait, Japan, Korea and a few others best left unsaid) paid for by the generous taxpayers. I retired from the military a couple of years ago. I spent 5 years in DC/Maryland. I was at Bethesda, Walter Reed and Andrews, very familiar with the DC scene, love Rock Creek Park, really miss the 4th of July activities and all the states Christmas trees.

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    Whatever happened to the line of thinking that Chandra's body was dumped at Rock Creek after she was killed? I really have not kept up on her case. I thought there was evidence that she was choked to death and the Salvadorian did not choke his victims (or maybe it was the other way around)
    I remember something about Condit's polygraph being performed numerous times by someone hired by his legal team and only one or two results were released, again this is just from memory and reports out here. He lives in Modesto which is about an 65 miles south of us.
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    So you righties I am waiting for a list from ya'll. I am sure it is being worked on.
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    So you righties I am waiting for a list from ya'll. I am sure it is being worked on.
    You are probably right, someone is wasting time generating another list. I would like to think one side would step up to the plate and be bigger than that, but that is just wishful thinking.
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    So you righties I am waiting for a list from ya'll. I am sure it is being worked on.
    we all know there is corruption on BOTH sides of the aisle, nrg. make up as many lists as you want on the righties. check them twice. someone can do the same with the lefties. im sure you'll find there is a comparable degree of shameful practices going on in both. the only difference is that they have different agendas.

    all this posturing about the indictments and attempting to shame the right for political gain is really quite laughable. its the pot calling the kettle black the left is simply trying to jockey themselves into power again with the blame game, but if elected into power again, would most likely engage in just the same degree of corruption which you are castigating the right over here. like i said, the difference being that it would be utilized to accomplish the democrat`s objectives, with which you are sympathetic.


    i would think you would know enough not to make the claim that the democrats are our knights in shining armour, pure as the driven snow regarding corruption and such in politics.

    i can appreciate that you want to hold accountable all who are abusing public office currently, but i would think any reasonable individual would own up to the fact that there is corruption and dishonesty going on within the other party just the same, and to deny this would be disingeniuous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    we all know there is corruption on BOTH sides of the aisle, nrg. make up as many lists as you want on the righties. check them twice. someone can do the same with the lefties. im sure you'll find there is a comparable degree of shameful practices going on in both. the only difference is that they have different agendas.

    all this posturing about the indictments and attempting to shame the right for political gain is really quite laughable. its the pot calling the kettle black the left is simply trying to jockey themselves into power again with the blame game, but if elected into power again, would most likely engage in just the same degree of corruption which you are castigating the right over here. like i said, the difference being that it would be utilized to accomplish the democrat`s objectives, with which you are sympathetic.


    i would think you would know enough not to make the claim that the democrats are our knights in shining armour, pure as the driven snow regarding corruption and such in politics.

    i can appreciate that you want to hold accountable all who are abusing public office currently, but i would think any reasonable individual would own up to the fact that there is corruption and dishonesty going on within the other party just the same, and to deny this would be disingeniuous.
    I am just as outraged by the corruption on the left, as you are about the corruption on the right.
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    How about saying corruption among politicians no matter the party. I think it is funny to watch the corruption stone throwing over the fence when half the time they don't make it over and it bounces back hitting the side that originally threw it in the head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    How about saying corruption among politicians no matter the party. I think it is funny to watch the corruption stone throwing over the fence when half the time they don't make it over and it bounces back hitting the side that originally threw it in the head.

    the difference is when certain preachers, preists, and politicians (nearly all repugs) pose as holier than thou -- while being the scummiest of hypocrites

    judge not lest you be judged --

    these posers regularly have the ear of god and pretend to know his mind

    they have regularly judged and condemned others for what they percieve as the others moral flaws and weaknesses etc.

    they deserve to receive themselves a stoning since they have already cast the first stone -- while pretending to be without sin...

    (written from a Thai internet cafe after a 32 hour flight)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    the difference is when certain preachers, preists, and politicians (nearly all repugs) pose as holier than thou -- while being the scummiest of hypocrites

    just not lest you be judged --
    Man, I don't think you could have missed my point more....you just did the opposite of what I just said, Ignore the party and look at the deeds. This is a major difference in our points of view. You look at everything through party lines rose colored glasses. Everything with Dems good without exception and everything with Rep bad without exception. Period. End of debate. (boy...how many times has this been point out concerning your posts?) As I have clearly laid out in other posts in the past I certainly have my own political leanings, but I generally look at the person, their deeds, motives, the situation or knowledge available at the time a decision was made, no matter what the party. I personally despise Bill Clinton, but I have praised him and criticize him on this forum for different decisions and actions he made during his career depending on the situation at the time he did them.

    Totally ignoring your common practice of stereotypical lumping of all Reps as the evil of our times.......That is exactly my point.....again.....It happens on BOTH sides. The Dems are doing the EXACT same thing you just described, calling all Reps corrupt as if no one in their party has ever been called on or convicted of perjury, illegal campaign financing charges, lying to the American people, flip flopping according the direction of the political breeze of the week, accepting lobbying money or incentives, tampering with elections (a.k.a. having the dead cast their votes for the Dem candidate), etc...

    Can you...Barye...accept the truth that the Dems are just as guilty in your accusations in their own plight for political superiority as any other politician often is no matter if they are Rep, Ind, or Green? Or are Dems always right no matter if they are wrong, being sincere, being hypocritical, speaking truthfully, acting manipulative, acting honestly, or speaking out of only one side of their mouth while ignoring what their left hand is doing behind their own backs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    Man, I don't think you could have missed my point more....you just did the opposite of what I just said, Ignore the party and look at the deeds. This is a major difference in our points of view. You look at everything through party lines rose colored glasses. Everything with Dems good without exception and everything with Rep bad without exception. Period. End of debate. (boy...how many times has this been point out concerning your posts?) As I have clearly laid out in other posts in the past I certainly have my own political leanings, but I generally look at the person, their deeds, motives, the situation or knowledge available at the time a decision was made, no matter what the party. I personally despise Bill Clinton, but I have praised him and criticize him on this forum for different decisions and actions he made during his career depending on the situation at the time he did them.

    Totally ignoring your common practice of stereotypical lumping of all Reps as the evil of our times.......That is exactly my point.....again.....It happens on BOTH sides. The Dems are doing the EXACT same thing you just described, calling all Reps corrupt as if no one in their party has ever been called on or convicted of perjury, illegal campaign financing charges, lying to the American people, flip flopping according the direction of the political breeze of the week, accepting lobbying money or incentives, tampering with elections (a.k.a. having the dead cast their votes for the Dem candidate), etc...

    Can you...Barye...accept the truth that the Dems are just as guilty in your accusations in their own plight for political superiority as any other politician often is no matter if they are Rep, Ind, or Green? Or are Dems always right no matter if they are wrong, being sincere, being hypocritical, speaking truthfully, acting manipulative, acting honestly, or speaking out of only one side of their mouth while ignoring what their left hand is doing behind their own backs?
    Hobbes, I agree with most of what you say. But my issue is that the ratio of (R) to (D) deeds, verified by the list that I posted, is something to behold. I am sure there are going a few (D) pols that are just as dirty as SOME (R), but not on the scale of this. Sure the (D) had there ethic issues but I think the (R) have taken it to a whole NEW level. That list I had posted for the most part doesn't even include the folks that took money for Abramoff. This issue alone is going to cripple the GOP for years to come. And it is going to be mainly restricted to the (R) side due to the way the GOP had setup lobbying efforts(purging most dems from lobbying efforts). It is insane for any of you folks to look at this situation and say, "Oh, look there is 2 Dems out of 200 Repubs, that did the same thing, therefore both sides are equally corrupt!". At this point you would just be trying to whitewash the whole problem. Let's look at this way, the (R) was in power since 94. This is what happens to some when they are in power, just the Repub party took it to a whole NEW level.

    So, again I ask is there "A Problem in The GOP"?
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