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    NEW YORK, Sept. 15 /U.S. Newswire/ -- This morning Kuwait's Prime Minister Shaikh Sabah Al-Ahmed Al-Sabah presented former President George Herbert Walker Bush and former President Bill Clinton a $25 million (US dollars) check for the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund. The check was the first payment toward fulfilling the State of Kuwait's historic $500 million (USD) pledge toward post-Katrina relief and reconstruction.

    "This donation reflects the humanitarian reaction of the people of Kuwait to stand side-by-side with the people of the U.S. as they overcome this ordeal." said Prime Minister Al-Sabah during his remarks. "The U.S. is not dependent on foreign aid necessarily, so Kuwait's donation is an expression of solidarity with the people of America and a small contribution to help the victims of the hurricane."

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    That is nice. Just one of many areas that people have stood up to help out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    NEW YORK, Sept. 15 /U.S. Newswire/ -- This morning Kuwait's Prime Minister Shaikh Sabah Al-Ahmed Al-Sabah presented former President George Herbert Walker Bush and former President Bill Clinton a $25 million (US dollars) check for the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund. The check was the first payment toward fulfilling the State of Kuwait's historic $500 million (USD) pledge toward post-Katrina relief and reconstruction.

    "This donation reflects the humanitarian reaction of the people of Kuwait to stand side-by-side with the people of the U.S. as they overcome this ordeal." said Prime Minister Al-Sabah during his remarks. "The U.S. is not dependent on foreign aid necessarily, so Kuwait's donation is an expression of solidarity with the people of America and a small contribution to help the victims of the hurricane."

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    Your government takes US$500 million gifts from billionaire de-facto dictators, from countries where political parties are banned?
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    It's called gratitude and it involves remembering debts real and implied. The $500 million is small potatoes to the Kuwaiti royalty especially if you consider that without our help 15 years ago there wouldn't be any Kuwaiti royalty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Your government takes US$500 million gifts from billionaire de-facto dictators, from countries where political parties are banned?
    And your government traded in the gold teeth of Holocaust victims. Impressive
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    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Your government takes US$500 million gifts from billionaire de-facto dictators, from countries where political parties are banned?
    It appears that the contribution was made to the "Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund" as opposed to being made directly to the U. S. Treasury.

    Regarding said fund:
    Contributions are being received on behalf of the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund by both the Greater Houston Community Foundation and the William J. Clinton Foundation, both 501(c)3 organizations. Donations to the fund are tax-deductible to the full extent of the law
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    I believe clulup's in Switzerland... a country that's obviously made great strides in the area of human rights since 1971, when women were finally granted voting rights.

    We don't need condescending comments on freedom or democracy from anyone in Europe. Not even from the world's other oldest democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    And your government traded in the gold teeth of Holocaust victims. Impressive
    Yeah really. Glass houses and stones clulup. That was a comment you shouldn't have made. Your government lied for 50 years about the money they took from the Nazis and the accounts they stole from German, Polish, and Austrian Jews, and then when the US government threatened to remove Swiss banks from Wall Street for failure to give those accounts back to their rightful heirs, the banks paid back a SMALL FRACTION of what those accounts are really worth.

    And you want to criticize the US for taking relief funds from a country that we ran Saddam out of?

    Pathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phurth
    We don't need condescending comments on freedom or democracy from anyone in Europe. Not even from the world's other oldest democracy.
    Do you need it from other countries? I can ask some of my aussie friend to give some condescending comments if you need them
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    And your government traded in the gold teeth of Holocaust victims. Impressive
    True, gold trade with Nazi Germany continued during WWII, but the gold from holocaust victims was a very small fraction, and it was obviously molten down into barrels before trading, so the origin of that part was impossible to tell.

    Still, I don't condone that trade, while you seem to find the Kuwaiti donations the coolest thing on earth.
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    Your comparison of a US non-profit agency taking a donation from a foreign country to your governments acts, under the guise of neutrality, probably extended WWII. Sheesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    True, gold trade with Nazi Germany continued during WWII, but the gold from holocaust victims was a very small fraction, and it was obviously molten down into barrels before trading, so the origin of that part was impossible to tell.

    Still, I don't condone that trade, while you seem to find the Kuwaiti donations the coolest thing on earth.
    Typical, Clairegrrl exposed you and your hatred politics, give it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Your comparison of a US non-profit agency taking a donation from a foreign country to your governments acts, under the guise of neutrality, probably extended WWII. Sheesh
    Playing devils advocate:
    How is switserland banks taking gold from nazi germany (a foreign country) from this agency taking money from a different dictator?

    You have to admit he has a bit of a point that it is hypocratic that the US supports so many dictators...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmill72x
    Your government lied for 50 years about the money they took from the Nazis and the accounts they stole from German, Polish, and Austrian Jews, and then when the US government threatened to remove Swiss banks from Wall Street for failure to give those accounts back to their rightful heirs, the banks paid back a SMALL FRACTION of what those accounts are really worth.
    Clearly you totally lack knowledge of the facts.

    Just to clarify a few points:

    - The government was not a party in this, it was the privately owned banks
    - Swiss banks spent about one billion US$ fot the investigation under supervision of Jewish and other institutions. The whole investigation showed that the dormant accounts from potential holocaust victims were well below US$100 million, and for most of that money it was uncertain if it had anything to do with dormant accounts from Nazi victims. (http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9707/23/swiss.banks/)
    - Still, Swiss banks payed US$ 1.25 billion to Jewish organisations, more than 10 times the amount in dormant accounts from Nazi victims.
    -The Jewish organizations always insisted how urgent it was for the Swiss banks to pay that money (including huge punitive damages, so to say), because the holocaust victims were already very old. The money was paid in 1998, and guess what: they still could not distribute the money... strange, isn't it?
    - While in Switzerland the case dormant WWII accounts from Jews was settled in 1998, it turns out that Israeli banks failed to do that to the present day.
    Last edited by clulup; 09/16/2005 at 11:27 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Clearly you totally lack knowledge of the facts.

    Just to clarify a few points:

    - The government was not a party in this, it was the privately owned banks
    - Swiss banks spent about one billion US$ fot the investigation under supervision of Jewish and other institutions. The whole investigation showed that the dormant accounts from potential holocaust victims were well below US$100 million, and for most of that money it was uncertain if it had anything to do with dormant accounts from Nazi victims. (http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9707/23/swiss.banks/)
    - Still, Swiss banks payed US$ 1.25 billion to Jewish organisations, more than 10 times the amount in dormant accounts from Nazi victims.
    -The Jewish organizations always insisted how urgent it was for the Swiss banks to pay that money (including huge punitive damages, so to say), because the holocaust victims were already very old. The money was paid in 1998, and guess what: they still could not distribute the money... strange, isn't it?
    - While in Switzerland the case dormant WWII accounts from Jews was settled in 1998, it turns out that Israeli banks failed to do that to the present day.
    You try and deflect the bad acts of your government by bringing up the Israeli banks. HAHAHa. Your government LIED for fifty years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Playing devils advocate:
    ..
    It's more like you're playing troll or flame-bater. Neither are good roles for a mod
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    How come most of these off topic threads (except for the games) end up with flame throwing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    You try and deflect the bad acts of your government by bringing up the Israeli banks. HAHAHa. Your government LIED for fifty years.
    Funny that you mention deflecting... wasn't it you who brought up semi-distorted stories from 60 years ago when I asked you whether it was now customs in the US to accept foreign aid from Middle Eastern quasi-dictators? It was even done a bit jokingly, see the smilies and in my first post.

    Besides, you failed to read my post above, see first point in the list...

    But even if "only" the private banks were involved, I would not necessarily say they lied. Some Jewish organisations used to claim that there were billions of US$ in dormant accounts for holocaust victims, while that number was far below US$ 100 million, with a lot of that amount most likely not from holocaust victims. It wasn't that they were hiding anything for financial reasons or so. Keep in mind that there are over US$2 trillion (2000 billion) of assets in Swiss banks so 50 or so million really would not be worth it.
    Last edited by clulup; 09/16/2005 at 12:20 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by string3599
    How come most of these off topic threads (except for the games) end up with flame throwing?
    I think it is because the mayority isnt discussing with an open mind but trying to enforce their view onto others
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    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Funny that you mention deflecting... wasn't it you who brought up semi-distorted stories from 60 years ago when I asked you whether it was now customs in the US to accept foreign aid from Middle Eastern quasi-dictators? It was even done a bit jokingly, see the smilies and in my first post.

    Besides, you failed to read my post above, see first point in the list...

    But even if "only" the private banks were involved, I would not necessarily say they lied. Some Jewish organisations used to claim that there were billions of US$ in dormant accounts for holocaust victims, while that number was far below US$ 100 million, with a lot of that amount most likely not from holocaust victims. It wasn't that they were hiding anything for financial reasons or so. Keep in mind that there are over US$2 trillion (2000 billion) of assets in Swiss banks so 50 or so million really would not be worth it.
    I read your post, but your comments are like that well known propaganda machine - Swissinfo.

    "The Swiss central bank has refused to make any contribution to a $1.25bn settlement reached between Switzerland's two biggest commercial banks and Nazi holocaust victims whose assets were lost during the Second World War.
    The Swiss National Bank's board said participating in the accord would give an "official character" to the settlement, "which would not serve the general interests of the country. The board said it regretted some of the decisions taken by its wartime directors"

    Hey man...they got the gold!
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