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    What da ya think ?
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    Definitely deserved! That guy was not qualified, not experienced and was in way over his head with that one. A "REAL" strong & experienced leader is what's needed for this disaster.

    See what happens when you put your political buddies in a place they really don't deserve to be in?
    Make It Happen!!
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    Geez, the poor shnook had no suitable experience for this type of job...his last job was "Judges and Stewards Commissioner" for the International Arabian Horses Association - from which he was asked to resign. As far as I can tell, he was made FEMA director only because he was the college roomate of the last one - who quit to work on Bush's re-election campaign.

    He was totally out of his depth, and although he deserves to be sacked, the whole fiasco wasn't so much his fault as it was the current regime's; it downgraded FEMA from a cabinet position with the President's ear to minor directorate within a newly created, monstrous bureaucracy. It's obvious that FEMA's mission just wasn't considered an important one by the crew running Washington now.
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    I believe he clearly lacked the experience and qualification for this job. Unfortunately despite 9/11, such a crucial position was handed over without much insight and thinking. Administration clearly screwed up, but congressional comittee which confirmed his appointment (both democrats and republicans), should also share the blame.
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    Remember, the most important qualification for a Bush appointee is loyalty to the Bush clan. Previous work experience is a very distant second. The loyalty also goes in the other direction. Bush cannot remove a loyal person, no matter how poor a job they are doing. That would also admit making a mistake, which this president cannot do to save his life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtreosexual
    What da ya think ?
    I think it is deserved. I am just surprised that the people who advise and surround that position did not give him guidance on how to prepare for the aftermath of Katrina.

    It appears that they intentionally let him hang himself out to dry. Good point on the confirmation appointment issue. Congress acquiesces to the President way to much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtreosexual
    I believe he clearly lacked the experience and qualification for this job. Unfortunately despite 9/11, such a crucial position was handed over without much insight and thinking. Administration clearly screwed up, but congressional comittee which confirmed his appointment (both democrats and republicans), should also share the blame.

    The righties are reflexively incapable taking responsibility for the monumental horror of their ineptitude.

    They would disinter the dead if they could use them to deflect the depth of their depraved incompetence.

    Had the democrats all died off, the righties would have dug them up, dressed them in suits, propped them up at some congressional desk -- and declared:

    The democrats were at fault too !!!

    Why didn't Clinton do anything about Katrina when HE was President ?!!?!?
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    I wish the democrats were as interested in appointing the FEMA director, as they are in chief justices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    The righties are reflexively incapable taking responsibility for the monumental horror of their ineptitude.

    They would disinter the dead if they could use them to deflect the depth of their depraved incompetence.

    Had the democrats all died off, the righties would have dug them up, dressed them in suits, propped them up at some congressional desk -- and declared:

    The democrats were at fault too !!!

    Why didn't Clinton do anything about Katrina when HE was President ?!!?!?
    Have you written one critical word about the actions (or lack thereof) of the Democats who run the state of Louisiana or city of New Orleans or are in Louisiana's congressional delegation? If you have, I've missed it. Plenty of so-called "righties" on this board (myself included) have had very critical things to say regarding Brown and FEMA and the people who put them in place.

    The federal response was indeed inept, however it's now been irrefutably established that the initial response by local authorities was so fatally weak as to create a situation on the ground the feds were not able to cope with. Had local officials done their minimal duty, the results would clearly have been much better. This doesn't excuse the fed any mistakes they made. Maybe you could just be a bit more fair, and a bit less partisan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by phurth
    Have you written one critical word about the actions (or lack thereof) of the Democats who run the state of Louisiana or city of New Orleans or are in Louisiana's congressional delegation? If you have, I've missed it. Plenty of so-called "righties" on this board (myself included) have had very critical things to say regarding Brown and FEMA and the people who put them in place.

    The federal response was indeed inept, however it's now been irrefutably established that the initial response by local authorities was so fatally weak as to create a situation on the ground the feds were not able to cope with. Had local officials done their minimal duty, the results would clearly have been much better. This doesn't excuse the fed any mistakes they made. Maybe you could just be a bit more fair, and a bit less partisan?

    There is an obsessive need amongst the righties to share blame, to look for excuses.

    Bin Laden announces that in 3 days he’s going to detonate a series of bombs to blow the Mississippi River levees.

    3 days later, the levees break, flooding the people of Mississippi River area.

    5 days after that thousands of people are are still cut off stranded, dying of thirst, and foul water.

    Should we blame the mayors ??


    please -- for sake of your eternal souls –- in your own words –-

    could any of you write a simple declarative sentence admitting that junior and the people he chose, the people he had confidence in, the people he put into positions that he bragged about having special competency with, positions that dealt with matters of our national and domestic security –-

    that junior and his people are SINGULARLY responsible for the WORST screw up in modern american history.

    Can any of you somehow process that thought in which you do not use democrats, space aliens, or gypsies as a dodge from confronting the truth ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by phurth
    Maybe you could just be a bit more fair, and a bit less partisan?
    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    There is an obsessive need amongst the righties to share blame, to look for excuses.

    Bin Laden announces that in 3 days he’s going to detonate a series of bombs to blow the Mississippi River levees.

    3 days later, the levees break, flooding the people of Mississippi River area.

    5 days after that thousands of people are are still cut off stranded, dying of thirst, and foul water.

    Should we blame the mayors ??


    please -- for sake of your eternal souls –- in your own words –-

    could any of you write a simple declarative sentence admitting that junior and the people he chose, the people he had confidence in, the people he put into positions that he bragged about having special competency with, positions that dealt with matters of our national and domestic security –-

    that junior and his people are SINGULARLY responsible for the WORST screw up in modern american history.

    Can any of you somehow process that thought in which you do not use democrats, space aliens, or gypsies as a dodge from confronting the truth ??
    Clearly your answer is no.
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    Clearly your answer is no.
    correct.

    any inclusion of a mayor, a governor, or monica lewinsky in the equation of responsibility is just a mechanism to lessen the blame where it belongs.

    Whatever they did or not do is minuscule in the overall cause of the cataclysm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    There is an obsessive need amongst the righties to share blame, to look for excuses.

    Bin Laden announces that in 3 days he’s going to detonate a series of bombs to blow the Mississippi River levees.

    3 days later, the levees break, flooding the people of Mississippi River area.

    5 days after that thousands of people are are still cut off stranded, dying of thirst, and foul water.

    Should we blame the mayors ??


    please -- for sake of your eternal souls –- in your own words –-

    could any of you write a simple declarative sentence admitting that junior and the people he chose, the people he had confidence in, the people he put into positions that he bragged about having special competency with, positions that dealt with matters of our national and domestic security –-

    that junior and his people are SINGULARLY responsible for the WORST screw up in modern american history.

    Can any of you somehow process that thought in which you do not use democrats, space aliens, or gypsies as a dodge from confronting the truth ??
    bin Laden bombed the levees? I thought it was a hurricane. Being mother nature, local and state govt's are responsible for preparation, evacuation and first response. Now if what you say is true, bin Laden made this announcement - then the federal govt should of got involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    correct.

    any inclusion of a mayor, a governor, or monica lewinsky in the equation of responsibility is just a mechanism to lessen the blame where it belongs.

    Whatever they did or not do is minuscule in the overall cause of the cataclysm.
    Thankfully the vast majority of the country is more reasonable than you. They disagree with your position now just as they disagreed with the right and the Clinton impeachment then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    ...Being mother nature, local and state govt's are responsible for preparation, evacuation and first response...
    Even in the even of terrorism, the local and state authorities are still the first responders. Unless, of course we'd like to nationalize all of our police and other emergency resources and roll them into the military. That'd make the Patriot Act look like kindergarten games...

    It seems the left is beyond reason on this issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    correct.

    any inclusion of a mayor, a governor, or monica lewinsky in the equation of responsibility is just a mechanism to lessen the blame where it belongs.

    Whatever they did or not do is minuscule in the overall cause of the cataclysm.
    It seems not everyone on the left agrees with you...

    The progressive Daily Howler discusses the federal response time delay and finds... nothing. (you'll need to scroll down a bit to read the relevant article):
    ...We learned a sad fact from Katrina last week. Despite all the excited talk about the way we’re “reality based,” our liberal elites are increasingly vacuous—empty, stupid, dim and shrill, committed to loud, self-satisfied ranting and too inept—too self-involved—to traffic in trivial things like facts.
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    "any inclusion of a mayor, a governor, or monica lewinsky in the equation of responsibility is just a mechanism to lessen the blame where it belongs"

    - barye


    ding! ding! ding!
    an all-time low for barye here!
    so, let me get this straight.
    the liberal mayors and governors of louisiana, who were elected into position for the sole purpose of protecting their citizens during times such as these, are COMPLETELY exempt from blame, because they are democrats. right barye? yawn. how disgustingly predictable.

    you know, I wonder what cnn and all of you lefties would have said if it had been republicans in those mayoral and gubernatorial offices who cut and run like cowards like that, completely abandoning their people when it counted the most, only to return when the coast was clear to try to blame everyone else for THEIR ineptitude and cowardice!!?? you think they are fooling anyone by this? are you defending their glaringly obvious incompetence barye?

    there is no doubt fema did not respond well to this tragedy, but those governors and mayors of yours down there were horribly embarassing failures - and if ANYONE should be sacked now following "brownie", ITS THEM, barye!!!!!


    its VERY funny how you try to say that calling these " mayors" into question are simply attempts to lessen the blame on the part of the Federal govt.

    you want to assign blame? well assign blame to ALL PARTIES who are responsible for the failures here!!! not just those who oppose YOUR political agenda, barye! how utterly disgusting.

    how can you honestly believe people will not see through such a transparent attempt on YOUR behalf here?
    I gotta have more cowbell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtreosexual
    What da ya think ?
    Scapegoat, why scapegoat? He wasn't sacked, was he? Just relieved from overseeing the hurricane relief efforts, so that he could take better care of FEMA back home.

    When Chertoff says "Michael Brown has done everything he possibly could to coordinate the federal response to this unprecedented challenge," one tends to believe him, given Michael Brown's credentials. However, when an incompetent candidate gets a job that is above his capabilities, this is not that person's fault, but the fault of the people who put him into that position. Even if Brown did indeed fake or overstate some of his (already more than meager) credentials, it is still the fault of those selecting him, that is obviously something one has to check.

    Companies pay us for finding and selecting their future management. If we would have recommended somebody as Michael Brown for head of FEMA, we would be faced with a devastating lawsuit.
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    What Chertoff did was sidelined him. Stripping of someone as chief of a major operation, literally means that they are not capable of doin the Job.
    I think that's nice way of showing exit door. That is what, distinguishes between firing and resignation . Everyone is given a chance to resign, unless you have done something seriously wrong .Michael Brown knows by now what Chertoff & administration means . you will shortly hear about his resignation .
    I agree with you both administration and congress are responsible for hiring him and should share the blame.
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    While the FEMA director doesn't have a lot of experience, I feel it's unfair to put all the blame on him. FEMA was not allowed to step in and help in New Orleans until local authorites decided to declare a state of emergency! What total BS! Everyone new the hurricane was coming, and the city is below sea level... uh yeah maybe the liberal Louisiana State government should have gone out on a limb and brought FEMA and the national guard out BEFORE the storm hit! Sure, if things hadn't been so bad, it would have been overkill, but think how many innocent lives would have been saved. Louisiana is like DC (near where I live...) Democratic Republics, more concerned with maintaining their political power than providing what is needed to run a city in a decent manner.

    One good thing came out of all this... a lot of the drug pathways into the US just got wiped out. Drug Cartels probably lost more money and product than almost anyone. But the cost to the rest of the US will be far greater than we can imagine. I wonder how long it will take to comletely rebuild?
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