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    Quote Originally Posted by z3bum
    While the FEMA director doesn't have a lot of experience, I feel it's unfair to put all the blame on him. FEMA was not allowed to step in and help in New Orleans until local authorites decided to declare a state of emergency! What total BS!
    Get your facts straight first. State of emergency was declared on the 27th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtreosexual
    Stripping of someone as chief of a major operation, literally means that they are not capable of doin the Job.
    Not that Bush noticed. "Brownie" doing a "heck of a job"? Makes you wonder about lack of judgement, in addition to giving Brown the position in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Get your facts straight first. State of emergency was declared on the 27th.
    Yes it was, by the president. His action opened the door for the governor to request the federal gov't take charge of the coming disaster, however the law requires the governor to relinquish command of the national guard troops operating in the disaster area to the federal gov't. Gov. Blancko refused to allow that to happen.

    Brown - Partly scapegoat partly deserved
    Nagin (sp) - has not recieved his deserved removal yet
    Blanco - should follow the lead and remove the inept members who failed the citizens.

    Notice how everyone is focused on NO, the same federal gov't responded to MS and AL yet it appears the local and state did a much better job.
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    Brown may not have had a lot of experience when he first was hired...but he did OK with the four hurricaines in FLA. (Mostly because of a competent state/local government structue.)

    Of course, that may have helped Bush win FLA in 2004, which would be a sin in the media's eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Brown may not have had a lot of experience when he first was hired...but he did OK with the four hurricaines in FLA. (Mostly because of a competent state/local government structue.)

    Of course, that may have helped Bush win FLA in 2004, which would be a sin in the media's eyes.
    Just a little reading for you.

    Source: Baltimore Chronicle


    Did FEMA Chief Brown's Payment of Millions in False Insurance Claims Help Bush Win Fla. Votes in '04?
    by Jason Leopold

    Michael Brown, the embattled head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, approved payments in excess of $31 million in taxpayer money to thousands of Florida residents who were unaffected by Hurricane Frances and three other hurricanes last year in an effort to help President Bush win a majority of votes in that state during his reelection campaign, according to published reports.
    “Some Homeland Security sources said FEMA's efforts to distribute funds quickly after Frances and three other hurricanes that hit the key political battleground state of Florida in a six-week period last fall were undertaken with a keen awareness of the looming presidential elections,” according to a May 19 Washington Post story.

    Homeland Security sources told the Post that after the hurricanes that Brown “and his allies [recommended] him to succeed Tom Ridge as Homeland Security secretary because of their claim that he helped deliver Florida to President Bush by efficiently responding to the Florida hurricanes.”

    The South Florida Sun-Sentinel uncovered emails from Florida Gov. Jeb Bush that confirmed those allegations and directly implicated Brown as playing politics at the expense of hurricane victims.

    “As the second hurricane in less than a month bore down on Florida last fall, a federal [FEMA] consultant predicted a "huge mess" that could reflect poorly on President Bush and suggested that his re-election staff be brought in to minimize any political liability, records show,” the Sentinel reported in a March 23 story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    Yes it was, by the president.
    Wrong!


    Source: LA Governor's website
    Governor Blanco asks President to Declare an Emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina


    BATON ROUGE—Today Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco forwarded a letter to President Bush requesting that he declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina. The full text of the letter follows:

    August 27, 2005


    The President
    The White House
    Washington, D. C.

    Through:
    Regional Director
    FEMA Region VI
    800 North Loop 288
    Denton, Texas 76209

    Dear Mr. President:

    Under the provisions of Section 501 (a) of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. §§ 5121-5206 (Stafford Act), and implemented by 44 CFR § 206.35, I request that you declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina for the time period beginning August 26, 2005, and continuing. The affected areas are all the southeastern parishes including the New Orleans Metropolitan area and the mid state Interstate I-49 corridor and northern parishes along the I-20 corridor that are accepting the thousands of citizens evacuating from the areas expecting to be flooded as a result of Hurricane Katrina.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardio
    His action opened the door for the governor to request the federal gov't take charge of the coming disaster, however the law requires the governor to relinquish command of the national guard troops operating in the disaster area to the federal gov't. Gov. Blancko refused to allow that to happen.
    Please, cite were it says they must relinquish control. Sorry, I think that line is BS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardio
    Brown - Partly scapegoat partly deserved
    Nagin (sp) - has not recieved his deserved removal yet
    Blanco - should follow the lead and remove the inept members who failed the citizens.
    Hmm, we are in agreement on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardio
    Notice how everyone is focused on NO, the same federal gov't responded to MS and AL yet it appears the local and state did a much better job.
    Also, notice those states you mentioned are not 80% underwater.
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    So, he responded as a bureaucrat does...throw money at the problem.

    Guarantee if they had done due diligence on these checks it would have been "Babies Starge due to Slow Response".

    Oh, and did you read your source's homepage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Just a little reading for you.
    “Some Homeland Security sources said FEMA's efforts to distribute funds quickly after Frances and three other hurricanes that hit the key political battleground state of Florida in a six-week period last fall were undertaken with a keen awareness of the looming presidential elections,”

    That sounds like it really must be the facts since "Some Homeland Security source said"
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    Its interesting to read the responses from those of the left here - they STILL avoid talking about the roles of liberal mayors and governors of louisiana and mississippi in this tragedy! keystone cops.
    they hammer away at the fema chief, but VERY OBVIOUSLY turn a blind eye to the big democratic failures - the local government in those states - who could have accomplished the GREATEST preventative measures for these states before the storm if they had not been so completely inept!

    do the media ever mention this? of course not. they'd rather focus on blaming the administration for ALL of this.
    I gotta have more cowbell
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    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    Its interesting to read the responses from those of the left here - they STILL avoid talking about the roles of liberal mayors and governors of louisiana and mississippi in this tragedy! keystone cops.
    they hammer away at the fema chief, but VERY OBVIOUSLY turn a blind eye to the big democratic failures - the local government in those states - who could have accomplished the GREATEST preventative measures for these states before the storm if they had not been so completely inept!

    do the media ever mention this? of course not. they'd rather focus on blaming the administration for ALL of this.
    Boo frickin' hooooo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Wrong!

    Washington has now stepped in to help Louisiana weather the storm in the coming days.
    Earlier Saturday, President Bush declared a State of Emergency for Louisiana. That means federal agencies are now ready to help prepare for the storm.
    Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco declared a State of Emergency on Friday to mobilize National Guard units in the state.
    In south Louisiana, people prepared for Katrina's arrival by boarding up their homes. Many others took the advice from both the governor and FEMA to leave now.
    FEMA spokesman Michael Brown said, "You have about 36 hours now to understand how serious this storm is, and to make your preparations to keep your family and to keep your business safe. You've got to do that now. (Sunday) and Monday will be too late. "
    http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=3774633

    Right!!! President Bush declared state of emergency on Saturday






    Please, cite were it says they must relinquish control. Sorry, I think that line is BS.

    Blanco has refused to sign over control of the National Guard to the federal government and has turned to a Clinton administration official, former Federal Emergency Management Agency chief James Lee Witt, to help run relief efforts.
    http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/D8CEBED81.html

    Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, according to a source within the state's emergency operations center.

    The administration had sought control over National Guard units, normally under control of the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request, noting that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law.

    So, if the governor is in control of the guard, why is the federal gov't responsible for the response time? If you are in charge, you are responsible.


    Hmm, we are in agreement on this.

    Also, notice those states you mentioned are not 80% underwater.
    Still massive destruction, but cooridinated rescue efforts
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Boo frickin' hooooo.
    Thousands imperiled by local and state corruption and incompetence, and there's the cry of the left.

    And you wonder why you guys have been swept from power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Boo frickin' hooooo.

    boo frickin hoo. roflmao . this is so precious. so you admit that youre only interested in laying into republicans on this, ignoring those on your side you are also to blame. hey thats ok, because now we all know who we`re dealing with. typical lefty loser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Thousands imperiled by local and state corruption and incompetence, and there's the cry of the left.

    And you wonder why you guys have been swept from power.
    absolutely right. you guys on the left dont need enemies. you do YOURSELVES in over and over again with such signature hypocrisy. This is just another shining example of why democrats are a sinking ship in america today.
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    Brown is out as FEMA director.
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    Okay, now what - who will the lefties complain about now that Brownie is gone? I guess Bush even though the problem was with the local and state govt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    boo frickin hoo. roflmao . this is so precious. so you admit that youre only interested in laying into republicans on this, ignoring those on your side you are also to blame. hey thats ok, because now we all know who we`re dealing with. typical lefty loser.
    Your post reeked of whining. Hey, I admit there are problems all around local, state, and FEDERAL!
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    "Your post reeked of whining."

    - nrg

    wow this is just classic. absolutely classic.
    I mean this is like the " I know you are but what am I" kind of stuff. lol. what's next? lmao.

    "Hey, I admit there are problems all around local, state, and FEDERAL!"

    - nrg

    but you capitalize who you REALLY want to go after dont you? yeah you admit to it, but you only EMPHASIZE those who you want attack out of POLITICAL agenda. where are your scathing remarks towards the liberal local and state here then if you admit to problems there? they are just as deserving, if not more so, of the fervor you are dealing the fema chief. ok you admit to them, but you only ATTACK the republican side of the situation. that makes for a poor argument, invalidating it in fact.

    youre not giving equal attention to BOTH SIDES of the situation here, and that will win you nothing in the way of support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Hey, I admit there are problems all around local, state, and FEDERAL!
    ahh we finally friggin agree on something. The key is there are problems at all levels. But to all of the sudden blame Bush is wrong. The bureaucracy at every level sux and has been making a downward trend for decades. We have a system that doesn't work and it has nothing to do with being a democrat or a republican.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    ahh we finally friggin agree on something. The key is there are problems at all levels. But to all of the sudden blame Bush is wrong. The bureaucracy at every level sux and has been making a downward trend for decades. We have a system that doesn't work and it has nothing to do with being a democrat or a republican.
    bingo
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