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  1. #1261  
    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    He doesn't kick Spike's a**, but kicks Slyvester's a**. While Spike is always encountered a huge panther or the Mr. Hyde version of Slyvester.
    Nope, there was an episode when Chester was in charge, and Spike was dancin' around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlbrummels
    Nope, there was an episode when Chester was in charge, and Spike was dancin' around.
    And those are the 2 I mentioned. I don't think he really kicked his a**. I can see where we are confused. At the end of both of them, Chester gives Spike the backhand and says "Ah, Shut Up!", Kinda like Bill O'Rielly.

    This how one of them went. Chester is dancin' around then says "I know a cat we can go beat up". So they go look for Slyvester. They find him. Then he turns a corner. Little does spike know there is a panther loose from the Zoo. Spike follows Sly around the corner, out of Chester's view. Spike gets scared cause he is plummeled by the panther in one and Mr.Hyde/Slyvester in another. Chester is like WTF? He goes in checks it out, nothing but Slyvester(normal one), Chester beats up the cat many times. Therefore turning Spike into the sycophant.
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    And those are the 2 I mentioned. I don't think he really kicked his a**. I can see where we are confused. Chester is dancin' around then Spike gets scared cause he is plummeled by the panather in one and Mr.Hyde/Slyvester in another. Chester is like WTF? He goes in checks it out, nothing but Slyvester(normal one), Chester beats up the cat many times. Therefore turning Spike into the sycophant.
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  4. #1264  
    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    And those are the 2 I mentioned. I don't think he really kicked his a**. I can see where we are confused. At the end of both of them, Chester gives Spike the backhand and says "Ah, Shut Up!", Kinda like Bill O'Rielly.

    This how one of them went. Chester is dancin' around then says "I know a cat we can go beat up". So they go look for Slyvester. They find him. Then he turns a corner. Little does spike know there is a panather loose from the Zoo. Spike follow Sly around the corner, out of Chester's view. Spike gets scared cause he is plummeled by the panather in one and Mr.Hyde/Slyvester in another. Chester is like WTF? He goes in checks it out, nothing but Slyvester(normal one), Chester beats up the cat many times. Therefore turning Spike into the sycophant.
    Wasn't literally kicking ***, roles were reversed in that episode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlbrummels
    Roles were reversed in that episode.
    Right, arguing the same point different words. As a matter of fact, the ending is the pic I used above.


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    #1266  
    Quote Originally Posted by phurth
    God I hope Rush talks about this today so I'll know what to think!
    You can tune in 40 mins. from now.
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    This Salon Magazine story quotes from the Wall St. Journal -- to which I don't subscribe. If anyone here has access, could you post the article referenced ?


    George W. Bush made a third "Message: I care" mission to the Gulf Coast Monday, and along the way he continued to suggest that the problems with the response to Hurricane Katrina were the fault of either the news media or the complicated relationships among federal, state and local government.

    Perhaps the president should read this morning's Wall Street Journal. The Journal has reviewed internal documents and e-mail messages from FEMA and other government agencies, and, in unusually blunt language for a news story, it says that they show "the extent to which the federal government bungled its response to the hurricane." And it's not just Michael Brown, the Journal says. "The documents highlight serious deficiencies in the Department of Homeland Security's National Response Plan, a post-Sept. 11 playbook on how to deal with catastrophic events."

    Among the paper's discoveries:

    The Department of Homeland Security didn't call in federal environmental health specialists until this Sunday -- 12 days after the Occupational Safety and Health Administration said its crews were ready to move in. "Even now, " the Journal says, "with mounting evidence of environmental problems, the deployment is being held up by continuing interagency wrangling, according to officials at the National Institutes of Health, which also is involved in the effort."


    FEMA didn't ask the Department of Transportation to help it find buses to evacuate the Superdome until Aug. 31, and even then it asked for only 455 buses to evacuate more than 20,000 people.


    When officials at the National Institutes for Health tried to reach out to FEMA to provide help, they were unable to get through to the agency because its e-mail server apparently couldn't handle the traffic it was getting.

    The Journal says officials within the Department of Homeland Security are beginning to acknowledge that the department's National Response Plan didn't exactly work. Lee Holcomb, the department's chief technology officer, said last week: "We at the department are not well prepared, and unfortunately, recent history has shown that that's the case."
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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169194,00.html

    Contract Connections?

    Reuters reports that companies with a web of connections to the Bush administration are winning the first contracts to rebuild New Orleans. The story notes that the Shaw Group (search) of Baton Rouge, which has been awarded $200 million in clean-up contracts, employs former Bush campaign manager and FEMA director Joe Allbaugh (search) to provide "general business consulting."

    The Shaw Group's founder and CEO is J.M. Bernhard of Baton Rouge, Louisiana who is the chairman of the Louisiana Democratic Party and was co-chairman Governor Kathleen Blanco's transition committee, a fact left out of the Reuters story.
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  9. #1269  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Of course it is not the case that people die every year in floods. If you read my post, then you will see that only a few people died in the once-evey-500-years flood. That points to a very good risk management. Say, 10 people dead in a once-every-500-year event is indeed acceptable.

    It's not that hundreds died and whole cities had to be closed down for weeks due to an event that is expected once every 65 years. Nobody was waiting for food or water for more than a few hours max.
    Maybe you need to check out what swissinfo has to say. It appears that in '99, 19 dead. 2000, 18 dead. 2005, 9 died. Flooding seems to be more normal in Switzerland than in New Orleans. Perhaps you need to build some levees. It's interesting that you dont seem to concerned in problems in your own country, but certainly have this obsession with the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    This Salon Magazine story quotes from the Wall St. Journal -- to which I don't subscribe. If anyone here has access, could you post the article referenced ?


    George W. Bush made a third "Message: I care" mission to the Gulf Coast Monday, and along the way he continued to suggest that the problems with the response to Hurricane Katrina were the fault of either the news media or the complicated relationships among federal, state and local government.

    Perhaps the president should read this morning's Wall Street Journal. The Journal has reviewed internal documents and e-mail messages from FEMA and other government agencies, and, in unusually blunt language for a news story, it says that they show "the extent to which the federal government bungled its response to the hurricane." And it's not just Michael Brown, the Journal says. "The documents highlight serious deficiencies in the Department of Homeland Security's National Response Plan, a post-Sept. 11 playbook on how to deal with catastrophic events."

    Among the paper's discoveries:

    The Department of Homeland Security didn't call in federal environmental health specialists until this Sunday -- 12 days after the Occupational Safety and Health Administration said its crews were ready to move in. "Even now, " the Journal says, "with mounting evidence of environmental problems, the deployment is being held up by continuing interagency wrangling, according to officials at the National Institutes of Health, which also is involved in the effort."


    FEMA didn't ask the Department of Transportation to help it find buses to evacuate the Superdome until Aug. 31, and even then it asked for only 455 buses to evacuate more than 20,000 people.


    When officials at the National Institutes for Health tried to reach out to FEMA to provide help, they were unable to get through to the agency because its e-mail server apparently couldn't handle the traffic it was getting.

    The Journal says officials within the Department of Homeland Security are beginning to acknowledge that the department's National Response Plan didn't exactly work. Lee Holcomb, the department's chief technology officer, said last week: "We at the department are not well prepared, and unfortunately, recent history has shown that that's the case."
    I have a sub. but you can't post the whole article here, and I feel this gets the point across fine. You might be able to get access via www.bugmenot.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Maybe you need to check out what swissinfo has to say. It appears that in '99, 19 dead. 2000, 18 dead. 2005, 9 died. Flooding seems to be more normal in Switzerland than in New Orleans. Perhaps you need to build some levees. It's interesting that you dont seem to concerned in problems in your own country, but certainly have this obsession with the US.
    2000 was not a flood, it was due to a landslide in a remote valley (granted, following massive rain). 1999 was called "flood of the century" because it was so big - unfortunately, the one only six years later was even bigger and more unprecedented. The high frequency of extreme weather conditions is something that is expected due to global warming, indeed a reason to worry. Some Alpine soils which used to be frozen all year round are now thawing due to global warming, leading to more landslides... so yes, much still needs to be done also in Switzerland (and maybe one day even you will realize that global warming is something that needs to be dealt with - but it is far too early for you now, I know).
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  12. #1272  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    2000 was not a flood, it was due to a landslide in a remote valley (granted, following massive rain). 1999 was called "flood of the century" because it was so big - unfortunately, the one only six years later was even bigger and more unprecedented. The high frequency of extreme weather conditions is something that is expected due to global warming, indeed a reason to worry. Some Alpine soils which used to be frozen all year round are now thawing due to global warming, leading to more landslides... so yes, much still needs to be done also in Switzerland (and maybe one day even you will realize that global warming is something that needs to be dealt with - but it is far too early for you now, I know).
    I know that we did the whole global warming thing in another thread, but based on information from the National Snow and Ice Data Center, "Global mean temperatures have risen over the past 100 years by about 0.6°C (slightly more than 1°F) Despite its name, permafrost is characterized by its instability. It is often covered by an active layer that regularly melts. Although permafrost can be thousands of years old, it is sometimes newly formed or about to melt, and it often exists close to its melting point " Blaming the thaw of alpine soils on "global warming" is a stretch.
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  13. #1273  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    I know that we did the whole global warming thing in another thread, but based on information from the National Snow and Ice Data Center, "Global mean temperatures have risen over the past 100 years by about 0.6°C (slightly more than 1°F) Despite its name, permafrost is characterized by its instability. It is often covered by an active layer that regularly melts. Although permafrost can be thousands of years old, it is sometimes newly formed or about to melt, and it often exists close to its melting point " Blaming the thaw of alpine soils on "global warming" is a stretch.

    The polar ice cap, Antartica ice, Glacier National Park has largely lost its glaciers (while glaciers globally have retreated -- affecting many rivers which are dependent on their melt)...
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  14. #1274  
    Quote Originally Posted by shopharim
    One silver lining in this whole matter is that the death count seems to be considerably lower than initial predictions. Of course, searching continues, so we shall see. But, early signs seem to point to hundreds not thousands.

    NOTE: Hundreds is still a large number, especially for the familes and friends of those souls; just not as grim.

    I agree.

    In New Orleans it was not the violence of the storm that killed people -- it was the comparatively languorous rise of water that resulted from when the levee --overtopped-- eventually failed structurally.

    There were no doubt many very old and infirm who were physically unable to escape to higher floors, attics, or roofs.

    But because this catastrophe happened after the storm -- during clear weather -- the number of deaths by drowning is unlikely to be anywhere near the original horrific fears.

    I would expect that there will be an awful lot of deaths from causes like heat stroke, exhaustion, illness, unmedicated conditions (diabetes etc.), criminal violence, and suicide.

    The number of lifes lost in New Orleans is probably in the low thousand(s).

    The cost of lives lost is incalculable.

    How do you repair/repay the lives of hundred of thousands of people who had to leave the homes and memories and belongings of their lifetimes -- with usually little more than a knapsack -- and with no chance to return...
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  15. #1275  
    This is what leaders do.



    "To the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," Bush says

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/13/kat...act/index.html

    I am neither a critic nor a cheerleader of his. I just applaud this step.
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  16. #1276  
    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskanDad
    This is what leaders do.



    "To the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," Bush says

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/13/kat...act/index.html

    I am neither a critic nor a cheerleader of his. I just applaud this step.
    Now if he can take blame for the Iraq War, Afghan War, 9/11, Global Warming and my most recent hangnail - I'll be satisfied.
  17. #1277  
    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskanDad
    This is what leaders do.



    "To the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," Bush says

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/13/kat...act/index.html

    I am neither a critic nor a cheerleader of his. I just applaud this step.

    I actually voted for Bush both times he was elected, (dont hit me) so I am not a Bush basher, however this step, being so long after the storm, doesnt seem sincere. If he had taken responsibility as a leader, as he was supposed to do, when this FIRST happened, I could have perhaps gone along with it. Now, however this just seems like it is in response to the fact that the public didnt buy the BS. Even his own party is demanding accountability. Congratulating folx for a job well done, his remark to the reporter who asked what steps would be taken in regard to what went wrong ("What didnt go right?), and his over all attitude in the face of what most everyone, at home and abroad, could see was seriously uncoordinated, at best, otherise a total fiasco and embarassment, just comes across as another PRPRPR $spin$. $If$ $we$ $had$ $been$ $at$ $war$ $with$ $someone$ $and$ $they$ $withheld$ $aid$, $causing$ $folx$ $to$ $perish$ $we$ $would$ $have$ $later$ $sought$ $to$ $have$ $them$ $tried$ $for$ $war$ $crimes$. $I$'$m$ $sorry$, $this$ $just$ $seems$ $like$ $more$ $BS$ $to$ $sway$ $public$ $opinion$ $and$ $try$ $to$ $save$ $his$ $backside$. $I$'$ve$ $lost$ $all$ $confidence$ $in$ $him$ $as$ $a$ $president$.
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  18. #1278  
    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskanDad
    This is what leaders do.



    "To the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," Bush says

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/13/kat...act/index.html

    I am neither a critic nor a cheerleader of his. I just applaud this step.

    This is what LEADERS do ????

    I want to let that go -- but after after 2 wks of his trying to squirm out of responsibility by whispering blame toward Blanco, Nagin, and Brownie -- after a history that includes squirming out of taking responsibility for 9/11, for the monumental screw up of Iraq, of not getting Bin Laden, of outing a CIA agent...

    Until now when has he taken responsibility ?? when has he acknowledged a failure of his ??? when has he fired an appointee of his for something like 9/11 or Iraq -- or even Brownie for New Orleans ??

    He is now saying that ONLY because the american people have witnessed this catastrophe with their own eyes while hearing him praise the wonderfulness of the mission of his horse show FEMA appointee.
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  19. #1279  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    Now if he can take blame for the Iraq War, Afghan War, 9/11, Global Warming and my most recent hangnail - I'll be satisfied.

    unlike you, I don't blame him for everything -- I currently have no hangnails
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  20. #1280  
    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyaki
    I actually voted for Bush both times he was elected, (dont hit me) so I am not a Bush basher, however this step, being so long after the storm, doesnt seem sincere.
    VERY impressive evolution !!
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