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    #1241  
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    Aircraft Combat Load
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    Thank you.
    Correct that...It's Cargo Load. Can't remember the A...perhaps Acceptable or Allowable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    Correct that...It's Cargo Load. Can't remember the A...perhaps Acceptable or Allowable.
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    -- one little Katrina & they won't shut up ...
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    been offline most of today -- but a casual look at this thread indicates that after the devastation from Katrina, the righties have gradually begun recover and have finally been able to reestablish communication with the Rush mothership --- so that after nearly 2 wks they are finally able to shut down their over worked brains and be told what to think again.... whew !!


    everybody repeat after me:


    Katrina was god's fault

    Brownie was the congressional democrats fault --

    the democratic Mayor & Governor are criminally incompetent

    FEMA'a job is to hand out instructional pamplets

    the liberal media (the MSM), lied about what they saw in New Orleans because they hate our president.

    Those underpriveleged refugees have never had it as good as they do now -- all because of the magnificent generousity, caring, and hard work of our leader.

    We've shown those loser 3rd world countries how a catastrophe is supposed to be handled -- I hope they've been watching closely and learnt something !!!
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    I thought this was interesting.

    Source: ThinkProgress

    Friday, August 26
    GOV. KATHLEEN BLANCO DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA [Office of the Governor]

    GULF COAST STATES REQUEST TROOP ASSISTANCE FROM PENTAGON: At a 9/1 press conference, Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré, commander, Joint Task Force Katrina, said that the Gulf States began the process of requesting additional forces on Friday, 8/26. [DOD]

    Saturday, August 27
    GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the Governor]

    5AM CDT — KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN]

    GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: “I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster.” [Office of the Governor]

    FEDERAL EMERGENCY DECLARED, DHS AND FEMA GIVEN FULL AUTHORITY TO RESPOND TO KATRINA: “Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency.” [White House]

    Sunday, August 28
    2AM CDT – KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE [CNN]

    7AM CDT – KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE [CNN]

    MORNING — LOUISIANA NEWSPAPER SIGNALS LEVEES MAY GIVE: “Forecasters Fear Levees Won’t Hold Katrina”: “Forecasters feared Sunday afternoon that storm driven waters will lap over the New Orleans levees when monster Hurricane Katrina pushes past the Crescent City tomorrow.” [Lafayette Daily Advertiser]

    9:30 AM CDT — MAYOR NAGIN ISSUES FIRST EVER MANDATORY EVACUATION OF NEW ORLEANS: “We’re facing the storm most of us have feared,” said Nagin. “This is going to be an unprecedented event.” [Times-Picayune]

    4PM CDT – NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ISSUES SPECIAL HURRICANE WARNING: In the event of a category 4 or 5 hit, “Most of the area will be uninhabitable for weeks, perhaps longer. … At least one-half of well-constructed homes will have roof and wall failure. All gabled roofs will fail, leaving those homes severely damaged or destroyed. … Power outages will last for weeks. … Water shortages will make human suffering incredible by modern standards.” [National Weather Service]

    AFTERNOON — BUSH, BROWN, CHERTOFF WARNED OF LEVEE FAILURE BY NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER DIRECTOR: Dr. Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center: “‘We were briefing them way before landfall. … It’s not like this was a surprise. We had in the advisories that the levee could be topped.’” [Times-Picayune; St. Petersburg Times]

    LATE PM – REPORTS OF WATER TOPPLING OVER LEVEE: “Waves crashed atop the exercise path on the Lake Pontchartrain levee in Kenner early Monday as Katrina churned closer.” [Times-Picayune]

    APPROXIMATELY 30,000 EVACUEES GATHER AT SUPERDOME WITH ROUGHLY 36 HOURS WORTH OF FOOD [Times-Picayune]

    LOUISIANA NATIONAL GUARD REQUESTS 700 BUSES FROM FEMA FOR EVACUATIONS: FEMA sends only 100 buses. [Boston Globe]

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    #1247  
    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskanDad
    I have seen the supposed recall of the helo for an evac posted here and here only. Was this a LA Guard Helo, at some point someone said it was a black hawk which is not ideally suited for carrying and placing large cargo loads, but more for search and rescue with an 11 person capacity.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardio
    11 seated, 22 without seats.

    You're right about its lift constraints.

    Air Assault!
    Just a little searching around and I turned this up.


    It may not be ideally suited for cargo lifts but.........
  8. #1248  
    Quote Originally Posted by phurth
    Did a little digging... guess what? In hindsight it's clear that two things could have happened to the levees: they could have been overtopped or they could have failed structurally. Guess what all of the plans seem to have assumed would happen? Overtopping. Guess what no one seems to have predicted? Structual failure. We all know what happened: structural failure in at least three places. Snip from a NYT article from 9/1/05:
    Army Corps personnel, in charge of maintaining the levees in New Orleans, started to secure the locks, floodgates and other equipment, said Greg Breerwood, deputy district engineer for project management at the Army Corps of Engineers.

    "We knew if it was going to be a Category 5, some levees and some flood walls would be overtopped," he said. "We never did think they would actually be breached."
    What actually happened to the levees might indeed have been entirely unexpected.
    So what you are trying to say is that the Mayor of NO only planned for the levees being overtopped, but not for the levees breaching, based on a false sense of security resulting from the misjudgement of the federal Army Corps of Engineers? They didn't expect the levees breaking in a Category 5 hurricane, but they did, several times, even in a Category 4 hurricane.

    So, once again: the Mayor planned for the hurricane. The plan worked well for the hurricane. The people of NO were quite ok after Katrina had left. The really bad thing was not the hurricane, but the levees breaking and the flooding due to that. Were the levees part of his responsibility? Obviously not, also according to your quote above. If those in charge of the levees said the levees would not break even in a Category 5 hurricane, and this turns then out to be bogus, whose fault is it?
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  9. #1249  
    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    Can you cite where you read the bus fleet was used at all (not a blog please). Everything I have read is that the bus fleet was never used for the evacuation.
    http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpa...3007249320.xml

    (This is in reference to the transit not the school buses..the page has the gist of their plan for the city...I'm still trying to find info on the school buses, I know I read it somewhere) ...The Regional Transit Authority will deploy 10 buses equipped with a special lift to help handicapped residents get to the Superdome this morning, RTA spokeswoman Rosalind Blanco Cook said. ...

    ...Beginning at noon, as officials prepare to open the Dome as a shelter of last resort, the RTA will begin ferrying passengers to the facility from 12 locations around the city. Those locations are: ...

    http://www.knoe.com/fullstory.php?id=782

    ...Nagin also dispatched police and firefighters to rouse people
    out with sirens and bullhorns, and even gave them the authority to
    commandeer vehicles to aid in the evacuation. ...


    http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakin...08.html#074564

    ...The city has 30 boats at its disposal, the mayor said....

    ...Around 112,000 Orleanians do not own cars, according to census data. Nagin urged those people to seek rides with friends, family, neighbors and church members. Those who could not find rides were urged to get to the Superdome as quickly as possible.

    Regional Transit Authority buses were scheduled to ferry people to the dome from 12 locations around the city beginning at noon today.

    Meantime, to make sure word of the mandatory evacuation gets out, Nagin said that police and fire crews would be driving through neighborhoods Sunday with bullhorns, directing people to leave.

    The evacuation order contained exemptions for certain people, including city, state and federal officials, inmates of the parish prison, those in hospitals, tourists staying in hotels and members of the media.

    An emergency order Nagin announced Sunday in declaring the mandatory evacuation gives authorities the right to commandeer private buildings and vehicles — including boats — as they see fit.

    The mayor did not say which buildings might be seized for public use. For the time being, the Superdome will be used as a “shelter of last resort” for those unable to evacuate the city. If the dome fills to capacity, other buildings could be appropriated, Nagin said.

    Nagin said the dome’s availability to residents doesn’t mean that going there is a good idea.

    “I want to emphasize, the first choice of every citizen should be to leave the city,” he said. He noted that the Dome is likely to be without power for days — and possibly weeks — after the storm fits, and said it will not be a comfortable place.

    At the same time, the mayor said, going to the dome is a better option than staying home. Many homes are likely to suffer serious damage and flood. Nagin said staying in one’s house would be a violation of the law, although one unlikely to result in any punishment.

    The mayor urged residents to check on their neighbors and offer them help, in particular senior citizens...
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  10. #1250  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    So what you are trying to say is that the Mayor of NO only planned for the levees being overtopped, but not for the levees breaching, based on a false sense of security resulting from the misjudgement of the federal Army Corps of Engineers? They didn't expect the levees breaking in a Category 5 hurricane, but they did, several times, even in a Category 4 hurricane.

    So, once again: the Mayor planned for the hurricane. The plan worked well for the hurricane. The people of NO were quite ok after Katrina had left. The really bad thing was not the hurricane, but the levees breaking and the flooding due to that. Were the levees part of his responsibility? Obviously not, also according to your quote above. If those in charge of the levees said the levees would not break even in a Category 5 hurricane, and this turns then out to be bogus, whose fault is it?


    It appears that you have floods almost every year. Why isnt your government doing something about them. I guess because on a per capita basis, the death rate is soo small it doesnt warrant any action
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  11. #1251  
    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    so you think the democratic mayors and governors of both states handled the situation flawlessly, right? and so they should be given no share of the blame here since they carried out all that was humanly possible and within their power in order to prepare their citizens for this storm, correct?
    is that what youre saying?
    No, of course not and I've spoken out against them. It's just that the hardcore right wingers are blindly placing the blame completely on the LA govt. Can never admit any wrongdoing by the party.


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    #1252  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl


    It appears that you have floods almost every year. Why isnt your government doing something about them. I guess because on a per capita basis, the death rate is soo small it doesnt warrant any action
    Claire, more and more you remind me of the little dog "Chester" in the Bugs Bunny cartoons. "Are we gonna get em Spike, huh,huh,huh?" You kinda orbit around threads and throw little one liners, kinda like Chester orbits around Spike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    FEMA'a job is to hand out instructional pamplets
    lol

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  14. #1254  
    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Claire, more and more you remind me of the little dog "Chester" in the Bugs Bunny cartoons. "Are we gonna get em Spike, huh,huh,huh?" You kinda orbit around threads and throw little one liners, kinda like Chester orbits around Spike.

    But later Chester kicked Spikes *** !
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl


    It appears that you have floods almost every year. Why isnt your government doing something about them.
    What makes you think our government doesn't do anything? I have nothing to complain about. We just got through once-in-500-years rainfall and flooding with a small number of people dead, and we didn't need any foreign help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    What makes you think our government doesn't do anything? I have nothing to complain about. We just got through once-in-500-years rainfall and flooding with a small number of people dead, and we didn't need any foreign help.
    Ya havent seemed to stop the flooding. Happens every year. People die....every year. Must be acceptable losses huh??
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    #1257  
    Quote Originally Posted by dlbrummels
    But later Chester kicked Spikes *** !
    He doesn't kick Spike's a**, but kicks Slyvester's a**. While Spike is always encountered a huge panther or the Mr. Hyde version of Slyvester.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    People die....every year. Must be acceptable losses huh??
    One silver lining in this whole matter is that the death count seems to be considerably lower than initial predictions. Of course, searching continues, so we shall see. But, early signs seem to point to hundreds not thousands.

    NOTE: Hundreds is still a large number, especially for the familes and friends of those souls; just not as grim.
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    I assure you, everything is fine!


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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Ya havent seemed to stop the flooding. Happens every year. People die....every year. Must be acceptable losses huh??
    Of course it is not the case that people die every year in floods. If you read my post, then you will see that only a few people died in the once-evey-500-years flood. That points to a very good risk management. Say, 10 people dead in a once-every-500-year event is indeed acceptable.

    It's not that hundreds died and whole cities had to be closed down for weeks due to an event that is expected once every 65 years. Nobody was waiting for food or water for more than a few hours max.
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