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  1. #1001  
    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Where was the ball stopping? I really don't want to get into a straw man arguement with you.
    If you believe that the President called because he wanted to ensure that the ordered mandatory evacuation would be successfully carried out then we are in complete agreement. I do agree with you that he was not calling to urge the order of an evacuation. The CNN transcript makes that clear.
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    #1002  
    Quote Originally Posted by phurth
    If you believe that the President called because he wanted to ensure that the ordered mandatory evacuation would be successfully carried out then we are in complete agreement. I do agree with you that he was not calling to urge the order of an evacuation. The CNN transcript makes that clear.
    Yes, I think he was just calling to see if that was in fact what they were going to announce.
  3. #1003  
    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Yes, I think he was just calling to see if that was in fact what they were going to announce.
    Tricky! We don't agree completely, but clearly we won't, either. Bedtime.
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    #1004  
    Quote Originally Posted by phurth
    Tricky! We don't agree completely, but clearly we won't, either. Bedtime.
    Night.
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    #1005  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    Bush had to call the Governor to get the evacuation going. Pathetic.
    Well, this piece of garbage Talking Point is making the rounds on the talking head shows. Just saw it on O'Reilly's show no less.
  6. #1006  
    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Well, this piece of garbage Talking Point is making the rounds on the talking head shows. Just saw it on O'Reilly's show no less.
    Because it is true. Good night everyone!
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    #1007  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    Because it is true. Good night everyone!
    LOL. You are just tryin' to get me going aren't you? You know there is an icon for what you are doing?
    Last edited by NRG; 09/08/2005 at 08:57 AM.
  8. #1008  
    In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joebar
    In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS.
    Look forward to finding out why FEMA took several days to get in there and start helping. I wonder if it is because the Governor did not make the request? Pretty stupid that a Governor has to make a request, but that has something to do with the federal govt not having too much power.

    Quote Originally Posted by FEMA
    FEMA is called in to help when the President declares a disaster. Disasters are "declared" after hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, earthquakes or other similar events strike a community. The Governor of the state must ask for help from the President before FEMA can respond.

    FEMA workers help disaster victims find a place to stay if their homes were damaged or destroyed. FEMA also helps repair homes and works with city officials to fix public buildings that have been damaged.
    You see, FEMA is not the first response - the local and state govt's provide evacuations and first response. They failed miserably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    Look forward to finding out why FEMA took several days to get in there and start helping. I wonder if it is because the Governor did not make the request? Pretty stupid that a Governor has to make a request, but that has something to do with the federal govt not having too much power.
    So what you are saying is that FEMA was not aware that federal help would be needed in NO, so they waited and waited and waited, until the Governor said the magic words which unleash the powers of FEMA?
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    You see, FEMA is not the first response - the local and state govt's provide evacuations and first response. They failed miserably.
    You go to great length to put most of the blame on local and state levels. Maybe because you didn't vote for those, in contrast to the man in charge on the federal level, the guy who made an incompetent horse judge head of FEMA, solely based on the fact that this person supported his election campaign?
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    #1011  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    I wonder if it is because the Governor did not make the request? Pretty stupid that a Governor has to make a request, but that has something to do with the federal govt not having too much power.
    Holy Crap!! Where do you get this horrible info from?

    Source: PhillyBurbs.com

    New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson offered Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco help from his state's National Guard on Sunday, the day before Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana. Blanco accepted, but paperwork needed to get the troops en route didn't come from Washington until late Thursday.

    -snip-
    By the way a State of Emergency declaration should get FEMA going.



    Quote Originally Posted by Adavance The Man
    You see, FEMA is not the first response - the local and state govt's provide evacuations and first response. They failed miserably.
    Is there a point when they are overwhelmed?
    Last edited by NRG; 09/08/2005 at 09:33 AM.
  12. #1012  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    So what you are saying is that FEMA was not aware that federal help would be needed in NO, so they waited and waited and waited, until the Governor said the magic words which unleash the powers of FEMA?
    Yes, pretty stupid huh? Unfortunately this is the system, a bad one at that. In this case with an incompetent Governor and Mayor it would of helped the whole situation if they were not in control.

    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    You go to great length to put most of the blame on local and state levels. Maybe because you didn't vote for those, in contrast to the man in charge on the federal level, the guy who made an incompetent horse judge head of FEMA, solely based on the fact that this person supported his election campaign?
    I don't live in any of the impacted states - so no I did not have an opportunity to vote. Regarding Mike Brown, he is an attorney and was in charge of a horse association. I look forward to finding out why FEMA took so many days to respond after the failure of evacuating and the failure of the local and state first responders.
  13. #1013  
    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Is there a point when they are overwhelmed?
    I absolutely agree. I do think things will have to change at ALL levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    You see, FEMA is not the first response - the local and state govt's provide evacuations and first response. They failed miserably.
    In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation.

    http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp


  15. #1015  
    Quote Originally Posted by Joebar
    In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation.

    http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joebar
    In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation.

    http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp
    The hurricane didn't hit on March 1st!

    Geesh!! Cut 'em some slack already.
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  17. #1017  
    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskanDad
    The hurricane didn't hit on March 1st!
    Don't you think they mean to take responsibility once per year on March 1st?
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    #1019  
    Quote Originally Posted by Joebar
    In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation.

    http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp
    I read this as DHS is to prepare emergency response professionals (local firefighters, cops, medics, etc) for any situation.

    I think others read this as DHS will take control of the situation and perform the services.

    When you put it in context with the other information available on the site (links on the left side of page) it appears that the intent is to assist local gov't prepare for the disaster not assume responsiblity to perform the evacuation/rescue operations.

    Am I reading this wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    I read this as DHS is to prepare emergency response professionals (local firefighters, cops, medics, etc) for any situation.

    I think others read this as DHS will take control of the situation and perform the services.

    When you put it in context with the other information available on the site (links on the left side of page) it appears that the intent is to assist local gov't prepare for the disaster not assume responsiblity to perform the evacuation/rescue operations.

    Am I reading this wrong?
    No you got that right.

    Local and state govt's are responsible for evacuating and first response. FEMA is mainly responsible for 'cleaning up' after the event has past.

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