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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG

    To you folks out there that haven't donated yet, at all, Put a damn crowbar in your wallet and give some money you cheap bastards!!!

    This is "cheerleading"? Where I come from calling people bastards is unsportsman like conduct and will get you pulled off court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    But if Jesse said it
    Then it must be true? This guy is a media ***** (Rev. Jesse Jackson). He will say anything to get a rise out of the general populace. His intentions are well meant, but the way he arrives at it really bothers me.
  3. #643  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    The real source for these "difficulties" is...incompetence. Not racism, not "lock the steerage passengers below decks" class warfare...simple incompetence ranging from individuals that made very poor choices to a moribund federal disaster relief system that didn't take into account NO's notorious corruption.
    Ask yourself where this "incompetence" comes from. Wouldn't you agree that the dilapidated housing of the overwhelming majority of those affected was a contributing factor to exacerbating the situation? Is it a coincidence that the 9th ward is one of the lowest lying parts of NO and where the some of the poorest folks live? This is not about a conspiracy to suppress minorities. Are you kidding me? This is an overt reality. This incompetence that you speak of is the product of inequalities. You attribute it to something behavioral with the source being the people themselves. I attribute it to the inequalities rife within the system which, ultimately, manufacture this incompetence.

    96 hours after the event, the Feds are arriving in a big way. (Med Evac people have been working there since Wednesday.)
    Too late for a national catastrophe not unbeknownst to feds and the rest of the country 24 hours prior prior to it actually happening!

    That city, and those individual residents, couldn't take care of themselves for even 24 hours.
    Easier said than done, my friend. I'm surprised you even went here. Imagine losing everything and then facing near death by drowning, etc. Lets see how long you hold up before panicking, Tiger.

    Dozens, if not hundreds of school buses sit in flooded parking lots. Why weren't they used? Why didn't individuals who decided to ride out the storm bottle up water? Were all the stores closed last Thursday? Friday? Saturday?
    I will be the first to tell you that there was poor planning. Why? Perhaps it's because of who you are planning for. Think about it.

    Why are they shooting at relief workers? Because they don't want help from the racists?
    You know better not to generalize a few bad apples versus close to 75,000 people. And that's the case here - plain unruly behavior by those a bit more unstable than you and me. You think lefties and righties alike condone that behavior? Stop rotating on the ignorance stick for a moment and join the party.

    Why didn't the city buy canned water and MRE's, and keep them in the precincts/firestations? There was a plan to use the SuperDome as a refuge...good. Why wasn't the place stacked with supplies? I know why! The man was keeping them down!
    Again...who are you planning for? 68% of NO is African American.

    Witholding aid would require a massive conspiracy. Do you really think it was a conscious decision, or is the system really racist? (You know, the "system" that employs so many minorities?)
    Hurricanes Charley and Andrew had WITHIN 24 response times. No massive conspiracy here, just Uncle Sam not having their priorities straight.

    Isn't it more likely that the beast we feed our tax dollars to can only respond so fast?
    Yes, but I think you and the vast majority of Americans would believe that this response was still way too slow. This is a national disaster. I'm in NY and I paid $4.49/gallon for gas yesterday. This has affected everyone's hearts, minds and wallets. I'm sure if Katrina veered a few hundred miles west the response would've been much quicker, much different.

    Only a true leftist moonbat could harbor the notion you put forward, and must also then believe in the other conspiracies I listed. Call it ad hominem, but if the shoe fits...
    Again, no conspiracies. Certain inequalities are built into the system. Period. I'll spare the ad hominem as I've recognized it's integral to your logic.

    You must see the nexus of my observations, since I've just taken you to school
    You must be teaching Pre-K then.
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    #644  
    Quote Originally Posted by tippymn
    This is "cheerleading"? Where I come from calling people bastards is unsportsman like conduct and will get you pulled off court.
    In my world it is. I am little harsh when it comes to trying help other people out. My original intentions were to try and get the T|C community together and tally up all our donations. This would have been something we could have all been proud about. Giving makes ya feel good, no matter the amount. Without saying, the more the better, but no amount is too small. I don't really mind being flamed if it is for a good cause, I can take the heat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illustreous
    Is it a coincidence that the 9th ward is one of the lowest lying parts of NO and where the some of the poorest folks live?
    No it is not a coincidence. Same thing applies all across the US. Advance The Man could probably bolster this, maybe not. But, because it is a low lying area, the housing there is bound to be cheaper, or more affordable to people with less. I am not even too sure that this area would be insurable.


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    Governor Blanco assures us that she will have 42000 "boots on the ground" in New Orleans by Monday for the "fight." The Governor, the La. Adj. General and the Chief of the State Police all used the term "fight" to describe their effort. May cooler heads prevail.
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    New Orleans City Council President Oliver Thomas reports that refugees from the Convention Center are being turned away from shelters by fearful volunteers. "They cannot stay in Louisiana." No shelter, no showers.
  8. #648  
    Fascinating read from someone there:

    http://mgno.com/
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    #649  
    Well I thought would take longer to drain New Orleans, but much too elation it will be a much shorter period.


    Source: Reuters

    Draining New Orleans could take 80 days- Army
    Fri Sep 2, 2005 05:32 PM ET

    By Jim Loney
    BATON ROUGE, Louisiana (Reuters) - Engineers may need up to 80 days to remove Hurricane Katrina's flood waters from the swamped New Orleans, a senior U.S. Army Corps of Engineers official said on Friday.

    Work crews gained control over one of the breaches in the levee on Friday and expected to have another major gap closed on Saturday, Brig. Gen. Robert Crear told reporters at a briefing in Baton Rouge.

    "We're looking at anywhere from 36 to 80 days to being done," Crear said.

    The bowl-shaped city is mostly below sea level and ringed by 350 miles of earthen levees designed to hold back floodwaters as well as Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River.

    The levees are configured in 13 rings and Hurricane Katrina gouged major breaches into two of them, allowing the lake water to gush in and submerge 80 percent of the city.

    Lake Pontchartrain was still receding on Friday and was expected to drop by another foot.

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  10. #650  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    Fascinating read from someone there:

    http://mgno.com/
    This "blog" is hosted by DirectNIC, an ISP. They have remained up throughout the disaster as has their connectivity (OC3) provider (a few blocks away?) If there is Internet connectivity, why is there no cell phone? Incidentally, the OC3 provider got a diesel delivery late Friday. Sounds like "infrastructure" to me.
  11. #651  
    Quote Originally Posted by grndslm

    If your house and all of your personal belonging destoryed , would you consider taking some shoes Looting. I call it Survival. How would you pay for any of you good in the first place. If you don't have electricity, then I doubt you have access to check cards, ot ATMS, ot Bank. The only way to get the things you need is by Taking them.

    Beleive me with all the suffering and loses these people are going through, no one is trying to get over by taking a pair of wet shoes.

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    #652  
    Way to go Qatar, and thank you.


    Source: Yahoo.com
    Qatar gives 100 million dollars for US hurricane relief


    DOHA (AFP) - The Gulf emirate of Qatar announced it will donate 100 million dollars to relief efforts for the US victims of Hurricane Katrina.

    The aid was granted by Qatar's emir, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani "in the name of the government and the Qatari people," the official news agency QNA said.

    Quoting a foreign ministry spokesman, QNA said: "Qatar expresses its sympathy and its solidarity to the US people and government in these painful circumstances and sends its condolences to the families of the victims in this humanitarian catastrophe."

    Three other Arab countries -- Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates -- have also offered aid to the United States.

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    #653  
    I just knew the jesse jackson and al sharpton circus clowns would jump in on this. just disgusting.

    once, AGAIN, let's go pull out the race card on everybody whenever anything bad happens.

    what a joke. sure the majority suffering in new orleans and mississippi are african americans, but NOT because we deliberately neglected to warn them.

    its a horrific tragedy down there, but for christ's sake its not "the white man against the black man" with all things. come on, stop it already. these guys are just nauseating with their race card crap.
    I gotta have more cowbell
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    Well it looks like the Mayor of New Orleans isn't the only one pissed!

    Here is the Mayor of Slidell Ben Morris(Audio Clip)

    sample: "they'd better bring guns, because I'll be G*DDAMNED if we're gonna give up our stuff to some federal bureaucrat"
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    #655  
    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    We were discussing cruise ships earlier. Here is a link where Carnival is considering it.


    http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/08/31/D8CAV3MGC.html
    They've gone through with it!! HooRay

    Source: WDSU New Orleans


    Three Cruise Ships Diverted To Evacuees
    Government Charters Ships For Katrina Evacuees



    Federal officials are chartering three Carnival Cruise ships to shelter people displaced by Hurricane Katrina.

    The Ecstasy, Sensation and Holiday will be pulled from regular use for six months. They'll shelter as many as 7,000 people.

    Ecstasy and Sensation will be pulled from service Monday and dock in Galveston, Texas. Each can accommodate about 2,600 passengers.

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  16. #656  
    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    I just knew the jesse jackson and al sharpton circus clowns would jump in on this. just disgusting.

    once, AGAIN, let's go pull out the race card on everybody whenever anything bad happens.

    what a joke. sure the majority suffering in new orleans and mississippi are african americans, but NOT because we deliberately neglected to warn them.

    its a horrific tragedy down there, but for christ's sake its not "the white man against the black man" with all things. come on, stop it already. these guys are just nauseating with their race card crap.
    The card was taken out of the deck on Thursday by the Congressional Black Caucus led by Elijah Cunningham. Jackson and Sharpton merely raised the ante.

    Cunningham said that it would not reflect well on us if it turned out that the living were separated from the dead by wealth, age, and color. When he said it, Thursday noon, I sympathized with him. Predominantly poor, old, young, and black people were dying for want of food, water, and busses, not to mention diapers. Little did I know, would not have believed, that they would still be there twenty-four hours later, that some of them would still be waiting for busses at sundown on Saturday.

    The issue is not warning, intentional or otherwise. The issue is food and food and water and water. I do not believe, and I do not think you really believe, that it took all day Tuesday, all day Wednesday, all day Thursday, and half of Friday to get food and water to hungry, thirsty, frightened, and impotent people; that we could not get food and water to the convention center a thousand yards from the Superdome where we did get them.

    However, the issue is not what you or I believe; we did not play the card. The issue is what the Congressional Black Caucus believed. Perhaps they thought it was justified if it forced the hand of the authorities. I think that it would have been justified if it had worked.

    I confess to being nauseated but not because the Black Caucus put into words what many of us were thinking. If you did not get nauseated until then, then either you were not watching television or your stomach is stronger than mine.

    All that said, I will agree with you that it is enough, that it is not helpful. [Neither was the Governor's insistence that these people, no matter how frightened or angry, were such a threat that she needed 40000 "boots on the ground" before she could feed them.]

    As I write this, I am watching a noble and beautiful woman pushing a broom in the gutter outside the convention center and telling the TV camera, "I am not a refugee." God bless America.
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  17. #657  
    That was actually a rhetorical question.

    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    No it is not a coincidence. Same thing applies all across the US. Advance The Man could probably bolster this, maybe not. But, because it is a low lying area, the housing there is bound to be cheaper, or more affordable to people with less. I am not even too sure that this area would be insurable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by whmurray
    ...42000 "boots on the ground" in New Orleans by Monday for the "fight." The Governor, the La. Adj. General and the Chief of the State Police all used the term "fight" to describe their effort. May cooler heads prevail.
    Perhaps if they weren't faced with this:
    Heavily armed law enforcement units were patrolling the city to restore order after reports of gangs prowling the city, looting, raping and killing at will.
    they wouldn't need so many "boots".
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  19. #659  
    Quote Originally Posted by MarkEagle
    Perhaps if they weren't faced with this:
    they wouldn't need so many "boots".
    It is very clear that she is frightened. I sympathize with her. No matter which choice she made, people would die.

    However, if I must choose between an elected official whose fear is that they will **** up a decision they signed on to make, and someone who is afraid because they do not know where or when their next drink of water will come from; the claim on my sympathy is clear. Both are in over their heads but one made the choice to run for public office. One is impotent and the other is overwhelmed by the decision they sought the power to make.
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  20. #660  
    Quote Originally Posted by MarkEagle
    Perhaps if they weren't faced with this:
    they wouldn't need so many "boots".
    Perhaps. Perhaps not. Face it, guys; I have chosen the better side of this debate and you know it. I will regret nothing I have to say and you will be embarrassed by everything you say.

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