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    #561  
    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    I remember. It was and is, an obscene scandal.

    Was FEMA's "generousity" in any way connected to the fact that the election was only months away ??
    Yes it was, the head of FEMA donated $$ to Dean, Perot, and Kerry
  2. #562  
    Quote Originally Posted by jmill72x
    Sssshhhhhh!!!

    Don't tell him!

    How does that saying go? I wouldn't pee on you to put a fire out.....

    Wilt Chamblain -- bored with being pestered by short folk asking the same stupid question:

    "Hows the weather up there ???"


    would sometimes spit on them, and say:

    "its raining"
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  3. #563  
    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    Yes it was, the head of FEMA donated $$ to Dean, Perot, and Kerry

    or that junior's Bro was the Guv ...
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    Models predicted New Orleans disaster

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Virtually everything that has happened in New Orleans since Hurricane Katrina struck was predicted by experts and in computer models, so emergency management specialists wonder why authorities were so unprepared.

    The scenario of a major hurricane hitting New Orleans was well anticipated, predicted and drilled around," said Clare Rubin, an emergency management consultant who also teaches at the Institute for Crisis, Disaster, and Risk Management at George Washington University.

    Computer models developed at Louisiana State University and other institutions made detailed projections of what would happen if water flowed over the levees protecting the city or if they failed.

    In July 2004, more than 40 federal, state, local and volunteer organizations practiced this very scenario in a five-day simulation code-named "Hurricane Pam," where they had to deal with an imaginary storm that destroyed over half a million buildings in New Orleans and forced the evacuation of a million residents.

    At the end of the exercise Ron Castleman, regional director for the Federal Emergency Management Agency declared: "We made great progress this week in our preparedness efforts.

    "Disaster response teams developed action plans in critical areas such as search and rescue, medical care, sheltering, temporary housing, school restoration and debris management. These plans are essential for quick response to a hurricane but will also help in other emergencies," he said.

    In light of that, said disaster expert Bill Waugh of Georgia State University, "It's inexplicable how unprepared for the flooding they were." He said a slow decline over several years in funding for emergency management was partly to blame.

    In 2002, the New Orleans Times Picayune published a five-part series on "The Big One" examining what might happen [if the levees ever broke].

    In comments on Thursday, President George W. Bush said, "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees."
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  5. #565  
    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    I remember. It was and is, an obscene scandal.

    Was FEMA's "generousity" in any way connected to the fact that the election was only months away ??
    I don't believe their generosity was (the people receiving ice and clothes and water and food and shelter up north legitimately needed it, the claims scandal was much more widespread and didn't occur immediately), but I'm sure the timing was. I remember George and Jeb were personally loading up bags of ice and other supplies in trunks. All you had to do was drive your car up to the South Florida Fairgrounds and get in line, and when you drove up, you had to pop your trunk and it would be filled with as much in supplies as you could hold. And George and Jeb were there doing it. Kerry tried, but obviously he didn't have the same kind of resources as his disposal as George and Jeb and it just looked staged. And that made a huge difference in the hearts and minds of those people, and they were getting what they needed from the President personally. That would go a long way down in NO right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    or that junior's Bro was the Guv ...
    If we don't win the 2008 election, he will be on the 2012 Republican ticket.

    And he will probably win.
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  7. #567  
    Quote Originally Posted by illustreous
    Then what would you like for me to start talking about? I gave you options. You skirt the issues and provide the thread forum fodder for nonsensical engagements.

    Your responses to me have generally carried the same tone and you have yet to offer something constructive to say on this topic. At least introducing leftist warfare, institutional racism, whatever-you-want-to-call-it into the mix provides an opinion to the topic at hand. Your response was simply a side comment of no value; hence, my election to close the book on it.

    If you want to constructively argue then do it. Don't posture and bullsh!t.

    You pump leftist political venom into a discussion about a relief effort...I point this out...you call my response a non-sequitur and want to close the book.

    Read my other posts...I am not given to posturing. do have a low tolerance for flippant class warfare/racism baiting leftists. The shoe must fit, otherwise you wouldn't be screaming so loudly.
  8. #568  
    Quote Originally Posted by Joebar
    Maybe dubyah can host some of them in his nice ranch.
    LOL, I'ld like to see that day. But, the Prez has such a job on his hands right now. Too bad his advisors didn't see this big one coming. (Oh but they did.... nevermind)
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  9. #569  
    It looks like this hurricane season is far from over. TS Maria just formed in the Atlantic (although it currently isn't a threat to land). CSU (sorry Claire) says that there is a 45% chance that a major hurricane will hit the US in September.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...home-headlines
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    #570  
    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    Models predicted New Orleans disaster

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Virtually everything that has happened in New Orleans since Hurricane Katrina struck was predicted by experts and in computer models, so emergency management specialists wonder why authorities were so unprepared.

    The scenario of a major hurricane hitting New Orleans was well anticipated, predicted and drilled around," said Clare Rubin, an emergency management consultant who also teaches at the Institute for Crisis, Disaster, and Risk Management at George Washington University.

    Computer models developed at Louisiana State University and other institutions made detailed projections of what would happen if water flowed over the levees protecting the city or if they failed.

    In July 2004, more than 40 federal, state, local and volunteer organizations practiced this very scenario in a five-day simulation code-named "Hurricane Pam," where they had to deal with an imaginary storm that destroyed over half a million buildings in New Orleans and forced the evacuation of a million residents.

    At the end of the exercise Ron Castleman, regional director for the Federal Emergency Management Agency declared: "We made great progress this week in our preparedness efforts.

    "Disaster response teams developed action plans in critical areas such as search and rescue, medical care, sheltering, temporary housing, school restoration and debris management. These plans are essential for quick response to a hurricane but will also help in other emergencies," he said.

    In light of that, said disaster expert Bill Waugh of Georgia State University, "It's inexplicable how unprepared for the flooding they were." He said a slow decline over several years in funding for emergency management was partly to blame.

    In 2002, the New Orleans Times Picayune published a five-part series on "The Big One" examining what might happen [if the levees ever broke].

    In comments on Thursday, President George W. Bush said, "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees."
    Everyone has seen the models, the city asking the state to fix the problem, the state asking federal gov't to fix the problem. Question is, why did'nt the local gov't act? They were the ones who would be directly impacted. If you knew you had a leaky pipe in your attic how long would you wait until you acted on it? My guess is that you would make sure the leak was fixed instead of standing in the street yelling my pipes are leaking won't someone come and fix it for me.
  11. #571  
    Quote Originally Posted by jmill72x
    I don't believe their generosity was (the people receiving ice and clothes and water and food and shelter up north legitimately needed it, the claims scandal was much more widespread and didn't occur immediately), but I'm sure the timing was. I remember George and Jeb were personally loading up bags of ice and other supplies in trunks. All you had to do was drive your car up to the South Florida Fairgrounds and get in line, and when you drove up, you had to pop your trunk and it would be filled with as much in supplies as you could hold. And George and Jeb were there doing it. Kerry tried, but obviously he didn't have the same kind of resources as his disposal as George and Jeb and it just looked staged. And that made a huge difference in the hearts and minds of those people, and they were getting what they needed from the President personally. That would go a long way down in NO right now.
    yup -- that's how I remember it too.

    They also recalled how south florida never forgave their daddy for how he responded to Andrew -- and were determined to do whatever it took to make people happy.
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  12. #572  
    Quote Originally Posted by jmill72x
    CSU (sorry Claire) says that there is a 45% chance that a major hurricane will hit the US in September.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...home-headlines
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  13. #573  
    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    yup -- that's how I remember it too.

    They also recalled how south florida never forgave their daddy for how he responded to Andrew -- and were determined to do whatever it took to make people happy.
    That was partially true as well. Katrina is very reminiscent of Andrew. It was a massively devastating hurricane that took too long for the Feds to respond to, and it left behind a lot of ill will.

    And it also took years for the affected areas to recover, although some never fully recovered. SoFla is a very different place in a lot of ways since Andrew.
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  14. #574  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    They're an Ag school...you cant count on them except for flowers
    That Gray guy seems to be onto something.....
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  15. #575  
    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    Everyone has seen the models, the city asking the state to fix the problem, the state asking federal gov't to fix the problem. Question is, why did'nt the local gov't act? They were the ones who would be directly impacted. If you knew you had a leaky pipe in your attic how long would you wait until you acted on it? My guess is that you would make sure the leak was fixed instead of standing in the street yelling my pipes are leaking won't someone come and fix it for me.

    Alaska: 2 repugnican senators, 1 guv = 100s of millions for a useless bridge to nowhere.

    Louisana: 2 democratic senators, 1 guv =


    I'm too cycnical ...
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  16. #576  
    Quote Originally Posted by jmill72x
    That Gray guy seems to be onto something.....
    Looks like he's been doin it for 40 years
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Looks like he's been doin it for 40 years
    So he's probably pretty good at it.

    OK, so they're into Ag and hurricanes. They are no threat to CU. I drove thru Boulder once on gameday, it was nice. It reminded me a lot of Tallahassee (minus the mountains, of course).
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    #579  
    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    Alaska: 2 repugnican senators, 1 guv = 100s of millions for a useless bridge to nowhere.

    Louisana: 2 democratic senators, 1 guv =


    I'm too cycnical ...
    Mom, he got more than me. He touched me. She took my cookie.

    Point still remains that the local gov't did not act.
  20. #580  
    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    Mom, he got more than me. He touched me. She took my cookie.

    Point still remains that the local gov't did not act.
    And they do have the initial responsibility, not the Federal government.
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