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  1. #121  
    Quote Originally Posted by Franko515
    thats what i want, a moose of a gun. and the cost isnt a factor, i just want a new hobby and with this gun being hard to handle, i can go practice alot to get better.

    thanks for the info

    Even if you want a moose of a gun, I still wouldn't go with a 50 cal as your only pistol. Even if you decide to reload as a hobby, the cost is still pretty steap. You could always go with a 1911 style pistol, it's standard is a .45 caliber (which is only 5/100ths smaller in diameter). I like the Smith & Wesson (SW1911) but Colt was the original maker of the 1911. There's also a 10mm which has a bit more stopping power, but a bit more expensive for ammo. (and more importantly, a bit more difficult to find the ammo)

    If you're only going to have one gun, I think the .45 cal 1911 is a GREAT solution. I believe 1911sforever may agree with me on that And if you're into hobby shooting, there's several competitions you can get into even as beginners. The 50 caliber would probably get you some funny looks from the guys that know what they're doing

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  2. #123  
    I guess the moral is dont drive a Toyota in Georgia
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  3. #124  
    back to the original story, what surprizes me is that they were soldiers. So you assume they have hard to hand combat training..
    How come they got pummeled so badly? even if it was 3 vs 2?
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  4. #125  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    back to the original story, what surprizes me is that they were soldiers. So you assume they have hard to hand combat training..
    How come they got pummeled so badly? even if it was 3 vs 2?
    Normal soldiers have a VERY small amount of hand-to-hand combat training. We did some HTH combat in basic training...a whole DAY'S worth. Most of our training was with weapons (BRM). This is the army...not sure how much HTH training the marines go through.
  5. #126  
    Wow, you'd think with todays conflicts you get more HTH since there seems to be a lot more close quarters combat...
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    #127  
    Punks like these always need to jump people or have extra friends... They are too scared to do the straight up brawl. If I were these guys, after I heal.. I would spend the rest of my days looking for these guys and making sure they painfully pay for what was done. Eventually they will turn up... if not, those who are closest to them will pay for them until I find them.

    My defense... I'm a war hero who was severyely beaten... that mixed in with the Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome from iraq... and the fact that I took blows to the head that caused some damage, I can't see a court in the land convicting them..
  7.    #128  
    The Marines have a whole qualification program...I think it even impacts your promotion eligibility.

    Bottom line is that anyone can be overcome, or take a cheap shot and get knocked out.
  8. #129  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    The Marines have a whole qualification program...I think it even impacts your promotion eligibility.
    How Very True...

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  9. #130  
    Quote Originally Posted by Tstright
    How Very True...

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  10. #131  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    The Marines have a whole qualification program...I think it even impacts your promotion eligibility.

    Bottom line is that anyone can be overcome, or take a cheap shot and get knocked out.
    How true. The qualification program consists of easily taught and memorized 'line movements'. Essentially how to make a direct contact, put the victim on the ground and then take them out (its probably a combination of judo, karate and some basic breaking tactics (i.e. elbow). Its also combined with k-bar training as well for close quarters.

    Problem is that even with a lot of training...it takes a lot of practice/sparring to experience what it is like to do it at full speed with people trying to hit you.
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  11.    #132  
    Quote Originally Posted by t2gungho
    How true. The qualification program consists of easily taught and memorized 'line movements'. Essentially how to make a direct contact, put the victim on the ground and then take them out (its probably a combination of judo, karate and some basic breaking tactics (i.e. elbow). Its also combined with k-bar training as well for close quarters.

    Problem is that even with a lot of training...it takes a lot of practice/sparring to experience what it is like to do it at full speed with people trying to hit you.
    LINE training is out...the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program is in.

    I don't know the difference between the two. LINE had too much "pain/compliance" type stuff for my taste.
  12. #133  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Bottom line is that anyone can be overcome, or take a cheap shot and get knocked out.
    Pardon my ignorance on this subject, but if all it takes is a succer punch to floor a marine isnt that whole training futile then?
    I allways assumed they learned how to counter attacks too, not just start them..
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  13. #134  
    i have a buddy who went to the marines and came back when i was in my 20s sayin he had special training and how he could subdue anyone in 20secs., anyway we went in the backyard am i put him on his back in 5sec . now maybe if he would have had a M16 he could have done it
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  14.    #135  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Pardon my ignorance on this subject, but if all it takes is a succer punch to floor a marine isnt that whole training futile then?
    I allways assumed they learned how to counter attacks too, not just start them..
    Yes, I will pardon your ignorance.

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  15. #136  
    Quote Originally Posted by Franko515
    i have a buddy who went to the marines and came back when i was in my 20s sayin he had special training and how he could subdue anyone in 20secs., anyway we went in the backyard am i put him on his back in 5sec . now maybe if he would have had a M16 he could have done it


    I remember my first Army training session in hand to hand combat. Our SF instructors told us that they were going to teach us just enough to get our ...es kicked.

    How true. It's just enough to get the ego going but not enough to be practical. It takes several iterations of non-scripted, gonna-get-bruised-and-bloody street-type fighting to get the body and ego in sync.

    Plus, to your point, most are never taught how to wrestle a guy to the floor. We learned how to put a guy on the floor so he doesn't get up in the next five minutes or ever. It really is pretty hard to learn to "fight nice".
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  16. #137  
    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskanDad


    I remember my first Army training session in hand to hand combat. Our SF instructors told us that they were going to teach us just enough to get our ...es kicked.

    How true. It's just enough to get the ego going but not enough to be practical. It takes several iterations of non-scripted, gonna-get-bruised-and-bloody street-type fighting to get the body and ego in sync.
    Reminds me of one of my a karate teachers. He was a 5th Dan from Japan who could do exceptional things, but when asked what the most effective sport for self defense was, he would invariably say "100 meter sprint".
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  17.    #138  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Reminds me of one of my a karate teachers. He was a 5th Dan from Japan who could do exceptional things, but when asked what the most effective sport for self defense was, he would invariably say "100 meter sprint".
    The Nike defense. Not always practical, but a very good option to have.
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    I have mixed feelings...why is it so entertaining? And why do I want to laugh?
  19.    #140  
    Quote Originally Posted by lidster
    I have mixed feelings...why is it so entertaining? And why do I want to laugh?
    What is so entertaining? What do you want to laugh about?
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