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    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    He's from Transylvania!

    we should not be forced to watch vampires, transvestites, or sausages be made
    (or unmade, as it were...)

    its too disturbing for young impressionable minds like mine -- perhaps the mods should be alerted ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    Hey, if the demorat party would stop looking at the waffle house for election hopefuls maybe they would also decide on a stance and not have take a poll to see what their opinon of the day is.
    The Democratic Party (PARTICULARLY under Howard Dean) has a firm grasp on it's stance. It's supposed "Moderate" Dems which hold their finger up ito see which way the wind blows.

    The independent trucker in the Waffle House is seeing only too well right now which party is on his side as he gets slammed with higher gas prices as the oil companies enjoy record profits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    The Democratic Party (PARTICULARLY under Howard Dean) has a firm grasp on it's stance. It's supposed "Moderate" Dems which hold their finger up ito see which way the wind blows.

    The independent trucker in the Waffle House is seeing only too well right now which party is on his side as he gets slammed with higher gas prices as the oil companies enjoy record profits.
    Remind me what the Democratic stance is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    The Democratic Party (PARTICULARLY under Howard Dean) has a firm grasp on it's stance. It's supposed "Moderate" Dems which hold their finger up ito see which way the wind blows.

    The independent trucker in the Waffle House is seeing only too well right now which party is on his side as he gets slammed with higher gas prices as the oil companies enjoy record profits.
    Well, unfortunately that is supply and demand working. As long as we demand as much oil as we do the prices will go up. It really does not matter who is the white house now does it. Look at a similar situation, during hurricane season in Florida the price of plywood escalates, especially when a storm is predicted to hit that vicinity. Who is to blame for the cost of plywood? Oh, that's right the Bush family must be to blame since the voting public elected Jeb to office. What about the cost of items when a severe winter storm is forcast in the midwest? When the demand is there the price goes up, when the demand is not as high the price declines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    Well, unfortunately that is supply and demand working. As long as we demand as much oil as we do the prices will go up. It really does not matter who is the white house now does it. Look at a similar situation, during hurricane season in Florida the price of plywood escalates, especially when a storm is predicted to hit that vicinity. Who is to blame for the cost of plywood? Oh, that's right the Bush family must be to blame since the voting public elected Jeb to office. What about the cost of items when a severe winter storm is forcast in the midwest? When the demand is there the price goes up, when the demand is not as high the price declines.


    I'll tell you who is to blame for plywood cost increases...BUSH! Because of Bush is in the pockets of the big oil companies (& drug companies for that matter), he wants oil prices to stay high. Since he is the worst president ever for the environment, he is solely responsible for climate change and the hurricanes last season. Because of this, Bush is to blame for the plywood price increases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    Well, unfortunately that is supply and demand working. As long as we demand as much oil as we do the prices will go up. It really does not matter who is the white house now does it. Look at a similar situation, during hurricane season in Florida the price of plywood escalates, especially when a storm is predicted to hit that vicinity. Who is to blame for the cost of plywood? Oh, that's right the Bush family must be to blame since the voting public elected Jeb to office. What about the cost of items when a severe winter storm is forcast in the midwest? When the demand is there the price goes up, when the demand is not as high the price declines.

    you didn't need a weatherman to anticipate an oil shortage.

    Democrats for years tried to raise the fuel standards -- and to include the Hummer land boats that repugs and the car companies loopholed out---

    China and India have also been long forseen to be big oil consumers

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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    Well, unfortunately that is supply and demand working. As long as we demand as much oil as we do the prices will go up. It really does not matter who is the white house now does it. Look at a similar situation, during hurricane season in Florida the price of plywood escalates, especially when a storm is predicted to hit that vicinity. Who is to blame for the cost of plywood? Oh, that's right the Bush family must be to blame since the voting public elected Jeb to office. What about the cost of items when a severe winter storm is forcast in the midwest? When the demand is there the price goes up, when the demand is not as high the price declines.
    Nope, a hurrican is absolutely uncontrollable.

    And it's not always supply and demand. I point to the recent energy industry mis-dealings in selling electricity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Nope, a hurrican is absolutely uncontrollable.

    And it's not always supply and demand. I point to the recent energy industry mis-dealings in selling electricity.
    No one said anything about controlling a hurricane (stay on topic in this off topic thread), if we demand the plywood the cost will go up. We demand to use the oil the cost will go up.

    You mean like the demorat Gray Davis did to the folks in CA with the electric deals he cut? But, since we demand electricity we paid it and are still paying to bail out the companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    No one said anything about controlling a hurricane (stay on topic in this off topic thread), if we demand the plywood the cost will go up. We demand to use the oil the cost will go up.

    You mean like the demorat Gray Davis did to the folks in CA with the electric deals he cut? But, since we demand electricity we paid it and are still paying to bail out the companies.
    CA. was blackmailed by junior's best friend at enron --- they thought then (but could not yet prove) that they were being hijacked, but they desperately needed to get power -- and cut any deal they could.

    They hoped that when the criminal extortion was revealed that the Federal govt. would break those illegal deals -- has that happened ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    CA. was blackmailed by junior's best friend at enron --- they thought then (but could not yet prove) that they were being hijacked, but they desperately needed to get power -- and cut any deal they could.

    They hoped that when the criminal extortion was revealed that the Federal govt. would break those illegal deals -- has that happened ??
    Nope, Gray and his cronies cut the deals and got the kickbacks. PG&E, with Grays buddies running the show still, did such a poor job we continue to pay high energy bills to pay off their debts while the execs voted themselves very handsome bonus monies. Yes, ENRON was one of the companies they were dealing with but not the only one. While CA desperately needed the power they were paying high dollars for they (PG&E with Gray's blessing) were selling electricity produced here to NM for cut rate prices. Why, so they could tell us that we had to pay those high rates so they coul get their kickbacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    Nope, Gray and his cronies cut the deals and got the kickbacks. PG&E, with Grays buddies running the show still, did such a poor job we continue to pay high energy bills to pay off their debts while the execs voted themselves very handsome bonus monies. Yes, ENRON was one of the companies they were dealing with but not the only one. While CA desperately needed the power they were paying high dollars for they (PG&E with Gray's blessing) were selling electricity produced here to NM for cut rate prices. Why, so they could tell us that we had to pay those high rates so they coul get their kickbacks.
    So who is at fault in that situation? Who caused the artificially high prices?
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    So who is at fault in that situation? Who caused the artificially high prices?
    We the consumer continued to demand to use the product regardless of the cost so we caused the price to continue to escalate. This was compounded by allowing the product to be produced in the state, and sold at reduced rates out of state while bringing in out of state product at higher price. We the consumer drove supply and demand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    We the consumer continued to demand to use the product regardless of the cost so we caused the price to continue to escalate. This was compounded by allowing the product to be produced in the state, and sold at reduced rates out of state while bringing in out of state product at higher price. We the consumer drove supply and demand.

    does the phrase "energy piratization" mean anything ??

    deregulation of energy was one of enron's proudest achievements ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    Remind me what the Democratic stance is?

    Oh, I don't know. Little things like:

    -Affordable healthcare for all
    -A committment to equal public education
    -Workers rights
    -Consumer rights
    -Protecting the individuals rights against being picked up by the gov't off the street and stripped of citizenship and taken to a foreign country foe 'questioning'
    -Protection against your residence being searched by the gov't when you're not there and never knowing about it

    etc
    etc
    etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    does the phrase "energy piratization" mean anything ??

    deregulation of energy was one of enron's proudest achievements ...
    AHHH, energy deregulation sounds like one of Gray Davis's reelection ads. I am not disagreeing, I saw it and felt the consequence with PG&E and Gray Davis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    does the phrase "energy piratization" mean anything ??

    deregulation of energy was one of enron's proudest achievements ...
    As was both The State Assembly and Senate, since they approved the bill unanimously. Of course we know how Right Wing the California Legislature is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    We the consumer continued to demand to use the product regardless of the cost so we caused the price to continue to escalate. This was compounded by allowing the product to be produced in the state, and sold at reduced rates out of state while bringing in out of state product at higher price. We the consumer drove supply and demand.
    I seem to recall it a little differently but you go ahead and blame the victim.
  18. #58  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Oh, I don't know. Little things like:

    -Affordable healthcare for all
    -A committment to equal public education
    -Workers rights
    -Consumer rights
    -Protecting the individuals rights against being picked up by the gov't off the street and stripped of citizenship and taken to a foreign country foe 'questioning'
    -Protection against your residence being searched by the gov't when you're not there and never knowing about it

    etc
    etc
    etc
    Of these, which do you feel we really lack in? What is the plan for Iraq by Howard Dean and the Democratic Party - I mean, obviously the goal is to take back the house, senate and oval office - what is the game plan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    Of these, which do you feel we really lack in? What is the plan for Iraq by Howard Dean and the Democratic Party - I mean, obviously the goal is to take back the house, senate and oval office - what is the game plan?
    Healthcare, public education, safety from "sneak and peak" searches, etc.

    Dems would not have made this ridiculous mistake but water under the bridge.

    Dems plan involves training Iraqi troops OUTSIDE of the region, involving the Europeans more, and setting an exit timetable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Healthcare, public education, safety from "sneak and peak" searches, etc.

    Dems would not have made this ridiculous mistake but water under the bridge.

    Dems plan involves training Iraqi troops OUTSIDE of the region, involving the Europeans more, and setting an exit timetable.
    Healthcare is and has been screwed up for years. On sidenote drug companies are gonna get gunshy with R & D with the with mega lawsuit payouts by Merck with Vioxx, next will be Pfizer with Bextra and Celebrex. The latest is a $253 million dollar award against Merck.

    Public education to get help, it needs to be on the local level. In our area, the County needs more resources. I don't see what the Federal Government can do, and certainly think this is a bipartisan issue. Our real estate taxes pay for the maintaining of schools and a $2000 builder assessment per new home helps pay for the new schools in this rapid growth area. It still isn't enough.

    Sneak and peak searches I have no comment on, because I never hear of any happening.

    If the Democrats can get the Euros more involved, I'm all for that. I wonder if Dems and the Euros (france/germany - even russia) would be willing to work at that goal with Bush in office or if another Republican is in office? Or are these ideas only willing to be acted on if the Democrats have the majority? No idea who will win the next set of elections, but obviously it is possible that the Republicans will retain all three branches again.
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