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  1. #21  
    Quote Originally Posted by treosome
    Good for Denver. Pit bulls are like guns that like to fire at random times. Sure some responsible gun owners can keep this gun from accidently shooting innocent people, but society is better off without them.

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    I'll state it again for all of the ignorant people reading this thread, Pit Bulls are raised to be aggressive(by P-E-O-P-L-E), they are not born aggressive.

    Pit bulls are like guns that like to fire at random times.
    Please nicely ask the media for your brain back, they've been pretty busy with it
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  2. #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by t2gungho
    Although I personally wouldn't own a pitbull, I wonder what led the locality to ban them? Was there an incident that started it?
    In one weeks time, something like 3 or 4 children were mauled by pitbulls in Denver, and Im not sure, but I think one died
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  3. #23  
    Quote Originally Posted by MFizzel
    That's the worst excuse for a human rights activist I've ever seen.



    I'll state it again for all of the ignorant people reading this thread, Pit Bulls are raised to be aggressive(by P-E-O-P-L-E), they are not born aggressive.
    That's your opinion, not fact. I believe it's a latent behavior in all Pit Bulls, as evidenced by the recent attacks by family dogs on family members in the San Francisco East Bay Area.
  4. #24  
    No, it's fact...and I've PM'd you in the past to try to get you to ask a veterarian or other qualified person so you can find out the truth.

    The fact the attacks were pitbulls mean nothing...they could of been great danes or any other dog, and there are many attacks not pitbull related but they don't get anywhere the same media coverage.

    Do you believe everything you hear? Stop relying on cnn and local news coverage as THE word, its ridiculous.
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  5. #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by ttrundle
    That's your opinion, not fact. I believe it's a latent behavior in all Pit Bulls, as evidenced by the recent attacks by family dogs on family members in the San Francisco East Bay Area.
    As you would say, thats your opinion not fact. Just because you believe it to be so does not make it so.

    Any dog can be vicious, any dog can be a gentle pet. Depends on training and environment. In fact the same can be said for people.
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  6. #26  
    and why is it ok to use racial profiling on dogs, but not people?
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  7. #27  
    Quote Originally Posted by MFizzel
    No, it's fact...and I've PM'd you in the past to try to get you to ask a veterarian or other qualified person so you can find out the truth.

    The fact the attacks were pitbulls mean nothing...they could of been great danes or any other dog, and there are many attacks not pitbull related but they don't get anywhere the same media coverage.

    Do you believe everything you hear? Stop relying on cnn and local news coverage as THE word, its ridiculous.
    Actually, in the vast amount of research I've done (I lived in a city where they banned them - all because the mayor's wife was bit by one). Pitbulls, going completely untrained, do have more of a tendency of viciousness. Every vet I've spoken with agrees.

    Along, untrained, they have more tendency to attack than a poodle, beagle, lab, etc.

    However, trained properly, they are just as loving as any other dog can be.

    Unfortunately, too many people don't train their dogs - and pitbulls quite often wind up staying in a fenced yard, outside the home, and used as watchdogs more than anything. What's very sad is that the people who DO love their dogs and train them well find themselves ripped from their companions because of the bad seeds. And it's a shame.

    The reason for the ban against pitbulls in the city I was in? Well, the mayor and his wife were on a retreat and ran across two dogs fighting - a pitbull and some other dog. The wife grabbed the dogs and tried to pull them apart and the pitbull bit her. I argued to the council that any dog has a tendency to bite when you try to pull him/her out of a fight.

    I personally think that eventually various states will try to kill off the entire breed, as there are way too many cities banning pitbulls. That's more a shame. I'd rather they come up with a special licensing system whereas training classes are used. But that's another story in and of itself.

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  8. #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by MFizzel
    The fact the attacks were pitbulls mean nothing...they could of been great danes or any other dog, and there are many attacks not pitbull related but they don't get anywhere the same media coverage.

    Do you believe everything you hear? Stop relying on cnn and local news coverage as THE word, its ridiculous.
    "could of been", but the fact is they weren't
  9. #29  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    and why is it ok to use racial profiling on dogs, but not people?
    Jesus Christ, Dude THEY ARE DOGS. And we are HUMAN BEINGS. Get it? If you want to make this kinda juvenile analogies you need to wake up. Most dogs were bred by human beings to serve certain functions (hunting, herding, fighting, guarding, and so on). They are made up sub-species in way. I'm all for not disturbing the circle of life bull **** but this is ridiculous. I bet you count them as a person for carpool lanes too right?
  10. #30  
    Quote Originally Posted by MFizzel
    That's the worst excuse for a human rights activist I've ever seen.



    I'll state it again for all of the ignorant people reading this thread, Pit Bulls are raised to be aggressive(by P-E-O-P-L-E), they are not born aggressive.



    Please nicely ask the media for your brain back, they've been pretty busy with it
    Yes, dude your so freakin right. It happened in a dark conference room, where the "media", sipping on their cold coffee with blood shot eyes, finally decided on their next victim- pit bulls. They were such gentle dogs. It's a shame the "media" made them out to be such unpredictable weapons.

    I'm just glad they didn't choose the golden retriever.
  11. #31  
    Woof,
    Here's a hypothetical for you. Take two random dogs a pit bull and a golden retriever. You don't know their up bringing, they are just random dogs. Now, you are given a choice to leave your cute little daughter in your avatar for 5 minutes in a room with one of the dogs. Which will it be? The Pit bull or the Golden retriever?
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    #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by evilghost
    Do you have any idea what you're talking about? You need a Class III to own an automatic weapon. In a sense, they are baned. "Machine Guns" may not be owned by civilians without a Class III license, unless the firearm has been certified de-commissioned (rendered totally unable to fire or capable of being rebuilt to fire).

    There are two kinds of firearms under U.S. (federal) law, title 1 firearms and title 2. Title 1 firearms are long guns (rifles and shotguns), handguns, silencer, and firearm frames or receivers. Most NFA weapons are also title 1 firearms. Title 2 weapons are NFA weapons. Title 2 of the 1968 Gun Control Act is the National Firearms Act (codified at 26 U.S.C. sec. 5801 et seq.), hence NFA. Title 1 is generally called the Gun Control Act, (18 U.S.C. sec. 921 et seq.). NFA weapons are also sometimes called class 3 weapons, because a class 3 SOT (see below) is needed to deal in NFA weapons.

    NFA weapons are: machine guns, sound suppressors (a.k.a. silencers), short barreled shotguns, short barreled rifles, destructive devices and "any other weapons". Exactly what these weapons are defined in the law, as well as in court cases interpreting the law.

    Additionally, automatic weapons don't go around shooting people. My firearms don't randomly take aim, and fire at innoncent people. Your allusion of pitbulls to automatic weapons have no merit. Just because I own a firearm doesn't mean I have a propensity to shoot people. Just because I own an automobile doesn't mean I have a propensity to run over school children, and if I did, it's not a fault of the automobile.
    I support this statement... it's not the gun that kill people, it's the OWNER.

    Not every single NRA member are trigger happy gun nuts folks, we join because we respect.

    EDIT:
    About the dogs, well it is a very sad news indeed, but come to think of it, who caused the problem in the first place?
  13. #33  
    Pit Bulls: ***** extension for people that can't afford Hummers.
  14. #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by treosome
    Jesus Christ, Dude THEY ARE DOGS. And we are HUMAN BEINGS. Get it? If you want to make this kinda juvenile analogies you need to wake up. Most dogs were bred by human beings to serve certain functions (hunting, herding, fighting, guarding, and so on). They are made up sub-species in way. I'm all for not disturbing the circle of life bull **** but this is ridiculous. I bet you count them as a person for carpool lanes too right?
    Time for your pill I see. Take it quick so you calm down. Be sure to pick the one that revives your sense of humor. Anyone with half a clue knows I was being facetious.
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  15. #35  
    Quote Originally Posted by treosome
    Woof,
    Here's a hypothetical for you. Take two random dogs a pit bull and a golden retriever. You don't know their up bringing, they are just random dogs. Now, you are given a choice to leave your cute little daughter in your avatar for 5 minutes in a room with one of the dogs. Which will it be? The Pit bull or the Golden retriever?
    Neither. As a former dog breeder (golden retrievers was one of my breeds) I know that regardless of breed some dogs do not do well with children. Therefore any responsible parent will not leave a child unattended with a dog they know nothing about.

    I have seen GR bite kids just as often as any other breed. Ususally because the kid antagonizes them and doesnt understand dogs and how they react to certain behavior (shockingly like you). Any breed can me made to attack with the right behavior. I can make my mom's yorkie turn in to a spitting 4lb ball of terror in a few minutes. Should I have her killed?

    Pit bulls are more dangerous because they are very powerful and dont dance around when attacking. Doesnt make them all dangerous. They should be respected and not slaughtered.

    Any dog can be as dangerous. I used to have a German Shepherd that would go for your throat with a hand gesture. She also loved kids and once saved a child in the pool. Had she been put down for her 'talents', that child would now be dead.

    Spare us your knee jerk reactions and get yourself a cat. Careful though, they bite.
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  16. #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by treosome
    Pit Bulls: ***** extension for people that can't afford Hummers.
    So you gonna post a pic of your hummer?
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  17. #37  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Pit bulls are more dangerous because they are very powerful and dont dance around when attacking. Doesnt make them all dangerous. They should be respected and not slaughtered.
    I say keep the dancing dogs and slaughter the rhythmically challenged ones. I'll save my respect for the animals I see on National Geographics. As you say, it's a dog that needs respect and guidance. I have plenty of respect for the power of pit bulls, I just don't have the confidence that every pit bull owner can harness this power.

    p.s. It's OK if you choose the golden retriever over the pit bull, it's only a hypothetical. It's not a trick question, I don't work for the child protection services and I won't take your cute daughter away.
  18. #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    So you gonna post a pic of your hummer?
    Hey, it was strictly for the business write-off
  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    and why is it ok to use racial profiling on dogs, but not people?
    Because dogs are bred to gain certain characterstistics while humans arent.
    And sadly some dog breeds have been bred to be aggressive/fighting dogs.

    This does not mean all of them are, but a lot of them do have these characteristics...

    In Holland it is illegal to breed pitbulls and import them. and if one turns agressive it gets put down.
    I think that is the most sensible way that letst the none violent ones live.
    Also I think it is a good development that owners of these aggressive dogs get charged for manslaughter/murder if their dog attacks a human. It is the owners responsibility after all..
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  20. #40  
    Quote Originally Posted by MFizzel
    No, it's fact...and I've PM'd you in the past to try to get you to ask a veterarian or other qualified person so you can find out the truth.

    The fact the attacks were pitbulls mean nothing...they could of been great danes or any other dog, and there are many attacks not pitbull related but they don't get anywhere the same media coverage.

    Do you believe everything you hear? Stop relying on cnn and local news coverage as THE word, its ridiculous.
    I am not totally sure you know the facts, although you are quick with assuming others believe everything they hear... Here some facts:

    Dog breeds and crossbreeds involved in dog-bite-related fatalities, -- United States, 1979-1996: Out of 199 people (mostly children) killed by dogs, 70 were killed by pit bulls and pit bull crossbreeds - no other breed of dogs comes close to that. Rottweilers and German Shepherds are next with less than half the people killed when compared to pit bulls. (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00047723.htm)
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