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    Looks like the man shot and killed in London had nothing to do with the bombings...
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/24/in...html?th&emc=th
    I truly hope I never experience the baseness and inhumanity of a terrorist attack, nor the pressure of making a split-second (maybe wrong) decision to end a person's life. My heart goes out to all those affected, and I pray for an end to this madness.
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    very tragic incident indeed, but given the situation I don't blame the officer from what I've heard all the evidence pointed towards the victim being a terrorist..

    Lesson of the day don't run from armed police in the London tube...
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    What's even more odd about that though is those could not have been regular London police because they do not carry guns. It had to be some sort of special unit in order to have guns right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by millsda2
    What's even more odd about that though is those could not have been regular London police because they do not carry guns. It had to be some sort of special unit in order to have guns right?
    Nobody claimed he was shot by regular London police. He was a terror suspect followed by armed, plainclothes policemen. It's highly tragic, but not odd.
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    I just hadn't heard who it actually was who shot him. I guess I just assumed it was London constables, but then thought it was odd because they only carry billy clubs I think. But yes, it's still tragic. I wonder if there will any charges or suits filed by family members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Nobody claimed he was shot by regular London police. He was a terror suspect followed by armed, plainclothes policemen. It's highly tragic, but not odd.
    he wasnt a suspect but lived in the same house as a suspect...hence he was followed
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Lesson of the day don't run from armed police in the London tube...
    I don't understand why innocent people ever run from the police. This isn't an isolated incident, you hear about this all the time where "innocent" people run from the police, or take off in a car, and then you see their despondent families on the news saying how they were innocent and can't understand why the police would do something like this.

    People with nothing to hide or worry about don't run from armed police officers. Last time I checked, London isn't in China, Cuba, or North Korea.

    I suspect this isn't the end to this story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmill72x
    People with nothing to hide or worry about don't run from armed police officers. Last time I checked, London isn't in China, Cuba, or North Korea.
    I agree that innocent people generally do not run from the police. IMO You would only run if you were doing something illegal etc.

    Given the security climate these days, the best advice is to stop and cooperate.

    I know there will be some people who will say that we should be free to run away from the police even if we are doing nothing wrong, but as I mentioned before, recent bombings/terrorist incidents make that behavior risky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickf126
    I know there will be some people who will say that we should be free to run away from the police even if we are doing nothing wrong...
    I agree with you up to this. I don't believe we should be free to run away from the police, innocent or not. The police are doing their job, just as you do, and as a lawful society, you don't have the rights to pick and choose which laws you choose to abide.

    If the guy was truly innocent and had nothing to hide, he shouldn't have freaked out and taken off. And he'd still be alive today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hsk
    Looks like the man shot and killed in London had nothing to do with the bombings...
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/24/in...html?th&emc=th
    I truly hope I never experience the baseness and inhumanity of a terrorist attack, nor the pressure of making a split-second (maybe wrong) decision to end a person's life. My heart goes out to all those affected, and I pray for an end to this madness.
    The police did the right thing. With the threat of bombings anyone that runs from police into the tube can expect nothing less.

    If the guy (not victim) was truly not a terroist or bomber then the only tragety is that the guy was as dumb as a box of rocks and got himself shot.

    Anyone who thinks the police did something wrong isn't exactly not the sharpest tool in the shead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pertinax
    Anyone who thinks the police did something wrong isn't exactly not the sharpest tool in the shead.
    What do you say about someone who misspells shed? ;-)
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    I thought that post was a bit blunt too
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRamsauer
    What do you say about someone who misspells shed? ;-)
    Well, as a moderator I don't think you laugh and joke at someone's misspellings
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    On the other hand, could this guy have known that he was running from police? Was he being chased by officers in uniform? Plain-clothed officers? Both? Did the latter identify themselves as police? Did they have time? Should they have? (had the the guy been a terrorist, would police identifying themselves have led to his triggering an explosion)? But if the police don't identify themselves, how can an innocent suspect have time "to put his hands up", so to speak.

    We don't have all the facts, so much of it is speculation. And a difficult call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcc
    On the other hand, could this guy have known that he was running from police? Was he being chased by officers in uniform? Plain-clothed officers? Both? Did the latter identify themselves as police? Did they have time? Should they have? (had the the guy been a terrorist, would police identifying themselves have led to his triggering an explosion)? But if the police don't identify themselves, how can an innocent suspect have time "to put his hands up", so to speak.

    We don't have all the facts, so much of it is speculation. And a difficult call.
    He was followed and chases by a plain clothes officer who later got backup by uniformed police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttrundle
    Well, as a moderator I don't think you laugh and joke at someone's misspellings
    So mods can't have a sense of humour?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    So mods can't have a sense of humour?
    You certainly didnt
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    They're saying the gentleman had an expired visa. He apparently was not ready to go back to South America.
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    In no form whatsoever do I condone the shooting, but like it says somewhere in Proverbs... 'avoid the very appearance of evil', especially nowadays when everyone is so trigger happy.
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