View Poll Results: Is Computed [Pure] Communism Possible???

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  • Yes, I think it's got a shot.

    3 15.79%
  • Yes, capitalism will still be here for at least the next 50 years.

    0 0%
  • No, capitalism's the only way people will work.

    9 47.37%
  • No, capitalism provides innovation.

    7 36.84%
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  1. #81  
    America was built and founded on evilness and greed. Communism has no place here. Not because Communism doesn't work, becuase the greedy will not let it work. Communism is the natural element of life on Earth. Everything "other then humans" take only what they need, and give back of them selve. Everything on Earth function in a Cycle of Life "giving and Taking, living and Dying". All land and it's resource "and future resource" are self sustaining, and they give without a price.

    The majority of mankind is evil, and easly controled.

    A Rap group once said "WuTang Clan" 80 percent of the population are blind sheep following the orders of 10 percent. Those ten percent are the work horse of the rich 5 percent. And those 5 percent are the rich who run the whole show. Leaving only 5 percent who are the true intelligent ones. grndslm I think you Fall into the 5 percent category. Problem is that you will not be able to persuade the remaining 95 percent. They are so controlled "mentally", that they don't even know how controlled they are.

    Capitalism is a man made system, that is imposed on them from birth. They know nothing else, and are scrared to even think of something else. The 80 percent don't use thier own sense of intellegence instead they religiously rely on those appointed as authority (10 percent), while those appointed as authority we appointed by the rich (5 percent).

    Various stories, riddles, and even movies were created to make capitalism appear as natural. No Capitalist state is possible without the conquest or exploitation of some group. That conquest or exploitation gives that capitalist society the wealth needed to create and maintain a Capitalist society. Equality is never possible in a Capitalist society. A state of three classes must alway be maintained in a Capitalist society. A section of the population must remained exploited in a Capitalist society. A Capitalist society can only be maintained by the futher exploitation of other groups, and thier resouce.

    To protect and hide these agendas. The 5 percent created various way to promote capitalism, and discredit any other type of economic system. Various Corpation, Federal Trade commission, World Bank, and Chamber of Commerse, give economic education package to public schools to be taught to children at an early ages. They incorperate Capitalist economic theories and natural facts together, giving student the idea that they theoies are stated facts. They implant idea's of hard work paying off, while promoting selfishness. They tell created stories of people who worked hard, and got rich because of Capitalism. They try and implant an idea of Hard work equaling Financial Success.

    >>>> I'm tried of Typing. You should get the point

    Great Post grndslm. I enjoy reading your idea.
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  2. #82  
    Hilarious.
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  3. #83  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Hilarious.
    But you'll notice no flights to Cuba, Red China or N. Korea. Capitalism is soooo terrible, he has to stick around.
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  4. #84  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    But you'll notice no flights to Cuba, Red China or N. Korea. Capitalism is soooo terrible, he has to stick around.
    That certainly adds to the hilarity.
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  5.    #85  
    Quote Originally Posted by ClarenceCM3
    America was built and founded on evilness and greed. Communism has no place here. Not because Communism doesn't work, becuase the greedy will not let it work. Communism is the natural element of life on Earth. Everything "other then humans" take only what they need, and give back of them selve. Everything on Earth function in a Cycle of Life "giving and Taking, living and Dying". All land and it's resource "and future resource" are self sustaining, and they give without a price.
    That consumption of humans has led to incredible development...but I think that the development of the internet restores that communal cycle of life.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClarenceCM3
    The majority of mankind is evil, and easly controled.
    In America today...there's no denying either of those claims. In other countries where there is no money, they are neither evil nor selfish, but they are easily controlled because they have no education. There's no doubt in my mind that kids in America today are much smarter than our parents were at my age...I'd attribute that to the internet. I think it teaches people...makes them smarter by providing them with whatever information they want to know instantly - like Neo sitting in his chair and learning Jujitsu, you can learn whatever you want. You'll have to weed out those who know what they're talking about, or have experience...but, it'll get easier as time progresses. And as you state later in your post, people have too much invested in capitalism (through education, jobs, etc.) to just throw it away for something that's failed before. I completely see where they're coming from.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClarenceCM3
    A Rap group once said "WuTang Clan" 80 percent of the population are blind sheep following the orders of 10 percent. Those ten percent are the work horse of the rich 5 percent. And those 5 percent are the rich who run the whole show. Leaving only 5 percent who are the true intelligent ones. grndslm I think you Fall into the 5 percent category. Problem is that you will not be able to persuade the remaining 95 percent. They are so controlled "mentally", that they don't even know how controlled they are.
    I appreciate your comment about me being intelligent. I don't know if I really want to convince the other 95 percent of the world what's right and wrong...they have to do that for themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClarenceCM3
    Capitalism is a man made system, that is imposed on them from birth. They know nothing else, and are scrared to even think of something else. The 80 percent don't use thier own sense of intellegence instead they religiously rely on those appointed as authority (10 percent), while those appointed as authority we appointed by the rich (5 percent).
    This is completely true.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClarenceCM3
    Various stories, riddles, and even movies were created to make capitalism appear as natural. No Capitalist state is possible without the conquest or exploitation of some group. That conquest or exploitation gives that capitalist society the wealth needed to create and maintain a Capitalist society. Equality is never possible in a Capitalist society. A state of three classes must alway be maintained in a Capitalist society. A section of the population must remained exploited in a Capitalist society. A Capitalist society can only be maintained by the futher exploitation of other groups, and thier resouce.
    I hate power...at least when it's unbalanced.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClarenceCM3
    To protect and hide these agendas. The 5 percent created various way to promote capitalism, and discredit any other type of economic system. Various Corpation, Federal Trade commission, World Bank, and Chamber of Commerse, give economic education package to public schools to be taught to children at an early ages. They incorperate Capitalist economic theories and natural facts together, giving student the idea that they theoies are stated facts. They implant idea's of hard work paying off, while promoting selfishness. They tell created stories of people who worked hard, and got rich because of Capitalism. They try and implant an idea of Hard work equaling Financial Success.
    Well...Like I said, I certainly don't believe that any other economic system could have worked until the very short-term future (perhaps even now in other countries). Most people who "worked hard" decided to take a gamble by keeping their ideas to themselves and then putting their idea to the real test in the market. Fine by me, for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClarenceCM3
    >>>> I'm tried of Typing. You should get the point
    I certainly do. Your comments are quite in-line with my reason for naturally finding a dislike for capitalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClarenceCM3
    Great Post grndslm. I enjoy reading your idea.
    Thanks. Like I said...I'm just theorizing!
    Last edited by grndslm; 07/19/2005 at 03:04 AM.
  6. #86  
    Quote Originally Posted by grndslm
    <snip>

    In America today...there's no denying either of those claims. In other countries where there is no money, they are neither evil nor selfish, but they are easily controlled because they have no education. There's no doubt in my mind that kids in America today are much smarter than our parents were at my age...I'd attribute that to the internet. I think it teaches people...makes them smarter by providing them with whatever information they want to know instantly - like Neo sitting in his chair and learning Jujitsu, you can learn whatever you want. You'll have to weed out those who know what they're talking about, or have experience...but, it'll get easier as time progresses. And as you state later in your post, people have too much invested in capitalism (through education, jobs, etc.) to just throw it away for something that's failed before. I completely see where they're coming from.
    These two bold statements are oddly related.
    PLease list all the countries you have visited where there are no evil or selfish people. ( I am forced to think of the Sudan, where there is piles of money in the streets encourageing a small part of the population to murder and main the other people to get control of all those piles. I mean there has to be money there because if there wasnt they would all just get along right?) I am going to guess it is a very short list, but please prove me wrong. Of course I am going to assume that in every place you have visited you have interviewed the entire population and using some magic method been able to determine their lack of selfishness and evil. Please also share this methodology with us. I am sure many of us could put it to good use right here at home.
    I say they are related because I think( and am sure others will agree) that your statement about selfishness and evil has accomplished the second bold line for us. Please let me explain. Anyone with any sense (not saying you have none, but wondering) knows that all people are selfish to some degree and the existence of evil is not based on the presence of money. Saying a country has evil people because it has money is utterly ridiculous and frankly I would be embarassed to have said something so patently stupid.
    I appreciate your comment about me being intelligent. I don't know if I really want to convince the other 95 percent of the world what's right and wrong...they have to do that for themselves.
    Odd how someone who shares your view finds you intelligent. A similar opinion does not intelligence make. Sorry.
    This is completely true.
    A matter of opinion. Unless you have the evidence to support it.

    I hate power...at least when it's unbalanced.
    Coming from someone with none, that is not a surprising statement.


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  7. #87  
    I wonder if there are any countries without money...

    Besides that money is only a representation of goods, coins used to be worth their weight in gold/silver/bronze/whatever they were made of and were pressed in a coin shape so it was easier to use (no need to weigh the gold, just count the coins.
    Over the years the coins became a symbol of the amount of gold and everybody accepted that agreement.
    Notes used to be proof of funds, instead of carrying tons of coins you let the bank write you a note saying you own 1000 coins and you could go to another bank and pick up the coins there. Over the years there came standard notes with standard ammounts.
    But basically a note is a piece of paper that proves you have X coins and each coin is worth Y grams of gold so a note means you have X*Y grams of gold with wich you can trade against other goods. wether you trade a chicken for a bag of grain or Z grams of gold for a bag of grain it is irrelevent..
    Money is just a tool of making trading easier and more consistent..

    Money is not the cause of evil, greed is..
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  8.    #88  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    But you'll notice no flights to Cuba, Red China or N. Korea. Capitalism is soooo terrible, he has to stick around.
    Umm...those aren't truly communist states. I've already explained that pure communism would only POSSIBLY exist in a technocratic state (Again, I say possibly because nobody really knows the future). Those countries have dictatorships which means NO EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF POWER.

    I mean, I really don't know all that much about eastern countries...but South Korea and Japan seem like they're closer to technocracy than any other countries. I'm sure somebody could possibly read thatlast line and say, "See, grndslm doesn't know jack about how these countries and how communism has failed" or something along the lines of that. I'm going to tell you that you're perfectly literate...your problem is that you can't think analytically. We're talking about technocracy leading to communism. Until there's a technocratic government, communism ain't happenin'. I'm in complete agreement with you there.

    As for why I really don't leave it's because we have better schools here due to the functioning synergy between our government and economic systems. And that's certainly a minor reason compared to my friends and family that I'd have to leave behind. That ain't happenin'.
  9.    #89  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    I wonder if there are any countries without money...
    In comparison to America....there's a lot, I'm sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Besides that money is only a representation of goods, coins used to be worth their weight in gold/silver/bronze/whatever they were made of and were pressed in a coin shape so it was easier to use (no need to weigh the gold, just count the coins.
    Over the years the coins became a symbol of the amount of gold and everybody accepted that agreement.
    Notes used to be proof of funds, instead of carrying tons of coins you let the bank write you a note saying you own 1000 coins and you could go to another bank and pick up the coins there. Over the years there came standard notes with standard ammounts.
    But basically a note is a piece of paper that proves you have X coins and each coin is worth Y grams of gold so a note means you have X*Y grams of gold with wich you can trade against other goods. wether you trade a chicken for a bag of grain or Z grams of gold for a bag of grain it is irrelevent..
    Money is just a tool of making trading easier and more consistent..
    Who's doubting you?? I fully understand the purpose of bills and coins...whenever I refer to money, I'm talking about power. If you have money in a capitalist state, you can do whatever the hell you want because you can pay other people off, who would more than 95% of the time accept your offer because they want the same opportunities you've got...hence, you've got power.

    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Money is not the cause of evil, greed is..
    Exactly!! If there's no money, they can't possibly be greedy. They have nothing but dirt floors and their geneology to repeat to their children....at least until they get computers with access to the internet that is.
  10. #90  
    Quote Originally Posted by grndslm
    Exactly!! If there's no money, they can't possibly be greedy. They have nothing but dirt floors and their geneology to repeat to their children....at least until they get computers with access to the internet that is.
    Greed is not a function of material property. It is a mental state. Greed causes even those with only geneology to withhold information that is deemed "valuable."
  11. #91  
    Quote Originally Posted by grndslm
    I mean, I really don't know all that much about eastern countries...but South Korea and Japan seem like they're closer to technocracy than any other countries. I'm sure somebody could possibly read thatlast line and say, "See, grndslm doesn't know jack about how these countries and how communism has failed" or something along the lines of that. I'm going to tell you that you're perfectly literate...your problem is that you can't think analytically. We're talking about technocracy leading to communism. Until there's a technocratic government, communism ain't happenin'. I'm in complete agreement with you there.
    I've been to Japan (my mother is from there.) They may be the most electronically geeked society on the planet, but they are a long way from Communistic. And the population there is certainly far from the automotons that you envision.

    Quote Originally Posted by grndslm
    As for why I really don't leave it's because we have better schools here due to the functioning synergy between our government and economic systems. And that's certainly a minor reason compared to my friends and family that I'd have to leave behind. That ain't happenin'.
    Again, my mother left Japan, her family and friends to come here. Many thousands of people yearly emmigrate to the US, leaving friends and family behind. You're answer is a cop out.
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  12.    #92  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Quote Originally Posted by grndslm
    <snip>

    In America today...there's no denying either of those claims. In other countries where there is no money, they are neither evil nor selfish, but they are easily controlled because they have no education. There's no doubt in my mind that kids in America today are much smarter than our parents were at my age...I'd attribute that to the internet. I think it teaches people...makes them smarter by providing them with whatever information they want to know instantly - like Neo sitting in his chair and learning Jujitsu, you can learn whatever you want. You'll have to weed out those who know what they're talking about, or have experience...but, it'll get easier as time progresses. And as you state later in your post, people have too much invested in capitalism (through education, jobs, etc.) to just throw it away for something that's failed before. I completely see where they're coming from.
    These two bold statements are oddly related.
    I'm failing to see the relation of the two.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    PLease list all the countries you have visited where there are no evil or selfish people. (I am forced to think of the Sudan, where there is piles of money in the streets encourageing a small part of the population to murder and main the other people to get control of all those piles. I mean there has to be money there because if there wasnt they would all just get along right?) I am going to guess it is a very short list, but please prove me wrong. Of course I am going to assume that in every place you have visited you have interviewed the entire population and using some magic method been able to determine their lack of selfishness and evil. Please also share this methodology with us. I am sure many of us could put it to good use right here at home.
    The only foreign countries that I've personally visited are Mexico and the Bahamas. I didn't meet any selfish people while in Mexico because I was on a mission trip and everybody was friggin' overwhelmed by the food/clothing/toys we brought for their people. Thanks for reminding me of that by the way...I forget it all too often.

    But I've HEARD that several countries are very poor...such as Iraq, Libya, and virtually every African and South American country. They're not completely selfless, but I never meant to say that there would ever be purely selfless people. The term "no" in the first sentence you bolded was meant to be a relative terms in reference to the amount of wealth we take for granted in this country.

    Also, I have no way magical method of gauging the amount of greed in other countries....but from what I HEAR and READ, they can't be greedy because all they have are communities. But I'd ask you for some proof that disagrees with my statement, IN GENERAL!! I did generalize, but on average that statement was definitely correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    I say they are related because I think( and am sure others will agree) that your statement about selfishness and evil has accomplished the second bold line for us. Please let me explain. Anyone with any sense (not saying you have none, but wondering) knows that all people are selfish to some degree and the existence of evil is not based on the presence of money. Saying a country has evil people because it has money is utterly ridiculous and frankly I would be embarassed to have said something so patently stupid.
    I don't find the second bolded statement related to the first because the first is in reference to economies & greed, whereas the second is in reference to the internet. There's a ton of crap on the internet, because everybody has their fair share of speaking their peace (like in this forum, for example).

    You also forgot to bold the continuation of that same sentence which was: [b]"...but, it'll get easier as time progresses." I say that it's sometimes difficult to find factual information on the internet because it's relatively new. The general public has only had access to the internet for less than 15 years!!! The internet will continue to grow, mature, and morph into the medium for transferring voice calls, radio, television programs, news, and many other things beyond your and my imagination (and remember...you'll literally have it all in the Palm of your hand). As certain bloggers, websites, or what-have-you build up credibility...factual information will spread quicker and easier than with the current forms of media found in pre-internet times.

    An example...on the internet, and more specifically this forum...is when slinky opens his mouth. Does he deserve to open his mouth?? Absolutely!! I certainly don't want to hear it, but at least he deserves his fair share of the pie. I firmly believe that and like I said in another post, I guess this is merely a philisophical difference in our political views.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Odd how someone who shares your view finds you intelligent. A similar opinion does not intelligence make. Sorry.
    Like things attract? NO WAY!! Polls don't show intelligence either, do they?? I remember reading some ridiculously high number of people who voted for Bush believed [at the time of the 2004 election] that Saddam and Al-Qaeda were linked. Was there not enough evident information before and after the elections stating otherwise - information from our very own government??

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    A matter of opinion. Unless you have the evidence to support it.
    Do you have evidence to counter-point those statements?? I certainly don't think you'd say that capitalism is flawless do you? That it has NO negative side-effects whatsoever. All I have to say to you is the same response newbs get around here and any other forum: "I'm not doin' your dirty work...if you want the answers, then SEARCH for them yourself!" First start with looking inside yourself for the answers, if you are, in fact, too corrupted by your economic surroundings THEN try hittin' up google for some answers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Coming from someone with none, that is not a surprising statement.
    DERR!! What's surprising to me is that 95% of this country really doesn't have any power, yet they're perfectly alright with that. They get the opportunity to elect officials and some choose not even to do that. Personally, I find that attitude toward government despicable. I have a feeling, though...if the economic playing field were level, people might actually care/try. I want no less power than the guy to the left or the right of me...but I also don't want any more power than him either.

    (NOTE - Usually I review my writing before typing, but I gotta jet, so if I didn't finish a sentence or something, don't hold me to a fragment!)
  13. #93  
    Quote Originally Posted by grndslm
    In comparison to America....there's a lot, I'm sure.

    Exactly!! If there's no money, they can't possibly be greedy. They have nothing but dirt floors and their geneology to repeat to their children....at least until they get computers with access to the internet that is.
    You are missing my point, all countries have money, some may be wealthier than others but all have money.

    But without money there still will be possesions and hence greed..
    Greed is build into our genes as part of the survival of the fittest program.
    Greed is a good thing up to a certain level, it motivates us to work and progress.
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  14. #94  
    Quote Originally Posted by grndslm
    Do you have evidence to counter-point those statements?? I certainly don't think you'd say that capitalism is flawless do you? That it has NO negative side-effects whatsoever. All I have to say to you is the same response newbs get around here and any other forum: "I'm not doin' your dirty work...if you want the answers, then SEARCH for them yourself!" First start with looking inside yourself for the answers, if you are, in fact, too corrupted by your economic surroundings THEN try hittin' up google for some answers.
    Pretty weak argument IMHO:
    your system doesnt work so my system does
    And you are the one claiming something, not woof, he merely asks you to back up your story...
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  15.    #95  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Pretty weak argument IMHO:
    your system doesnt work so my system does
    And you are the one claiming something, not woof, he merely asks you to back up your story...
    Sorry...I was on a time constraint. But I don't anybody can deny the statement we were arguing about:

    Quote Originally Posted by ClarenceCM3
    Capitalism is a man made system, that is imposed on them from birth. They know nothing else, and are scrared to even think of something else. The 80 percent don't use thier own sense of intellegence instead they religiously rely on those appointed as authority (10 percent), while those appointed as authority we appointed by the rich (5 percent).
    I said that was true...I'm failing to see how that's an opinion.

    Capitalism is a man-made system, no?? Your entire side is that all men are greedy and/or stupid to some degree. If we were perfect, we wouldn't have the need for capitalism because we'd all just get along in a utopian like environment. We're not perfect, however, hence people taking one word as fallacy while not even bothering to question why the other words even exist if their word were so damn righteous and true. The majority of people from Mississippi don't know a damn thing about capitalism or communism, they just know that capitalism works [for now] and that's that. And for one last time, I'm not arguing that. And I don't know if people are necessarily st00pit as much as they are misinformed. If one person can tell me how Fox News is a fair & balanced network while all of the other news stations aren't, I'll agree that people aren't misinformed and they're just st00pit all on their own. It's those with the money spending more money to keep them happy.

    Greed & stupidity -- that's what what's been coming from your mouths this entire thread. I don't believe what you believe, however; on one's own, man is moral and intelligent more than they are greedy & dumb. When placed in an environment of greed and selfishness, however, their morals and intelligence go down the drain. I believe that an individual man inherently knows the difference between right and wrong and also that as Yoda once said, "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will." Even after we incessantly make the wrong choices in life, we recognize them as being wrong...it's just too tough for us to fight it.

    I'm going to say that this is why Americans can't change because they have everything to lose. Once other countries get computers and the internet, they'll have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It's all about the haves and have nots, isn't it?? My point is that whenever everybody in the world has the internet....they have all the information and power to finally distribute wealth and work evenly.

    Quite frankly...I'm tired of going back and forth over minute crap like "money is merely a buncha coins" and people reading too much into stuff that I say like "other countries have no money". I mean, you guys talk about realism, but your not being realistic in this conversation. Of course money is just a buncha coins, but more importantly...it represents how much more power one person has than another. And of course other countries have SOME money, but in comparison to America, it ain't jack.

    Soo...since I'm the only person taking on like a billion people with something to lose, I just want these three questions answered before I leave this thread to spend my time on more productive things. These questions may or may not have anything to do with what we've been talking about...I'm just curious, more or less.

    QUESTIONS:

    (1) Why do some people listen to Fox News as their only news source? Why do they even listen to them at all, really??

    (2) Who chose, or how were goods chosen to be made in former communist nations?? I've never seen much on this topic. Was there only one shirt for all people? Was there one type of house that was built?? Any insight as to how supply/demand worked (or didn't work, rather) could possibly help me understand a little bit more about those countries' past failings.

    (3) What religions are most of you that are arguing against me? Honestly, I'm only asking conservatives. Since most of you are Americans I'm going to say you fall between Christian, Agnostic, or Athiest. I'm just curious as to how your morals relate to your religious/spiritual life.
  16. #96  
    Quote Originally Posted by grndslm
    Again...not trying to start a crusade - tryin' to find the flaw in my argument, but I'm still not seeing it.
    There are two flaws:

    1. You have yet to provide any real "evidence" that backs up your opinion (your stand).

    2. Instead of "reading" what others are posting, you have decided to quickly shoot back without taking the time to think about what they're saying, and decide to intermix your "arguments" with personal attacks.

    Neither, of which, would get you on a debate team.

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  17.    #97  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    I've been to Japan (my mother is from there.) They may be the most electronically geeked society on the planet, but they are a long way from Communistic. And the population there is certainly far from the automotons that you envision.
    I said it could possibly happen considering things such as the national ID we'll have in three years. Enough of the borg stuff though...it's irrelevant to the topic of debate.

    As for Japan, like I said...I understand their capitalists. But my questions for you are:
    (1) Why is it that in general they have as much income per capita, yet aren't as greedy?? (Seeing as how I've never been there, I can relate what I've heard to this conversation...people saying that they dropped their wallet with money inside and imagining never to find it again...only to find that it was in fact, returned with all money in tact as well.)
    (2) Why is it that Japan was and still is focused on quality control of their products?? Good examples are automobiles and electronics. Whereas here, Palm sends you a Y-cable that they know people are going to hate. I realize that they're fueling more jobs because somebody else (if not them) is making a profit off of your additional purchases...but those are profits and jobs that could be used elsewhere in the grand scope of the economy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    Again, my mother left Japan, her family and friends to come here. Many thousands of people yearly emmigrate to the US, leaving friends and family behind. You're answer is a cop out.
    I don't see that being a cop out. Maybe your mom didn't really love her friends and family as much as I love mine. I've been with the same girl for more than three years and haven't even had sex with her yet (not that it's really any of her business, but I do like to brag about the choices I've made because I'm proud of them)!! She is my soul mate, more than you'd ever imagine (well, maybe not if you've found yours); I honestly love her company, whereas most people make me sick with their greed and general view of life. Asking me to not only leave her, but the friends that I've known all my life would be too tough. I never intended to leave the country strictly to start/find communism!! I do believe however, that good will prevail over evil one way or another. Whether we take a left turn, or a right turn....in the end, we're going to end up at the same place - truth.

    NEVER would I leave this country to start communism in a world overrun by capitalists!! If I had some money, and somehow still managed to keep my philosophical views on life and politics....THEN I'd try and start something I believed in. But until then, it'd be a waste of time for me to do it because nobody's gonna believe some 19-year old kid with no money. If I started a business now and became the richest person in the world by the age of 25, I'll see ya in the communist country that I'd start...'cause I'd certainly do it. If my friends and family didn't want to come to my communist country, I'd make them because in the process of building this nation, I'd stil have money and they'd have to do whatever I'd say. OK - I'm just kidding about that last part. I simply asked a question, and you people throw some super off-the-wall crap in my face...like relating your mother's lack of feelings for others or intense urge to travel or get a job or what-have-you to my reasons for staying here. You guys are not realists in any way shape or form. You're either just as misinformed as most of the folks from my state, you're st00pit, or you're the spawn of satan. Those are your only options...take your pick.
  18.    #98  
    Quote Originally Posted by mediasi
    There are two flaws:

    1. You have yet to provide any real "evidence" that backs up your opinion (your stand).
    No evidence exists on technocracy.

    Quote Originally Posted by mediasi
    2. Instead of "reading" what others are posting, you have decided to quickly shoot back without taking the time to think about what they're saying, and decide to intermix your "arguments" with personal attacks.

    Neither, of which, would get you on a debate team.
    Right back at cha!! What evidence have you shown me about the failings of technocra...OH WAIT...THAT'S 'CAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY!!!!
  19.    #99  
    Quote Originally Posted by shopharim
    Greed is not a function of material property. It is a mental state. Greed causes even those with only geneology to withhold information that is deemed "valuable."
    Now that I have no response to. Those three sentences were way over my head compared to anything else anybody else has written me.
  20.    #100  
    To those that said other countries have money: http://www.worldbank.org/depweb/engl.../economic/gnp/. Check out specifically the first "Did You Know" section.
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