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    My deepest condolences go out to all the victims and families of these horrific attacks on the UK. Our thoughts are with you and we know that the UK will get through this with the typical resolute, determined English manner.

    As a resident of the UK for more then 6 years, I was particularly saddened by these attacks on my second home. I know in my heart that these attacks will only steel the English further in the course of freedom.

    With my deepest sympathies,
    "It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." -- Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, Sergeant, USMC
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    so very sad...

    words escape me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dutchtrumpet
    so very sad...

    words escape me.
    I have one,
    ***HOLES


    From Yahoo/AP
    A group calling itself "The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe" posted a claim of responsibility for the blasts, saying they were in retaliation for Britain's involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan
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    sorry...I meant words that wouldn't ge me in trouble.

    I have lots of words for this.
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    It appears they are dealing with coordinated cowards
    http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20050707/D8B6IJKO0.html
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    My thoughts are also with the friends and families of those affected. It looks like the casualty rate will climb quite steeply, at the moment only 2 are confirmed dead, but with a bomb powerful enough to rip the roof off a packed bus and more people still trapped in tunnels below King's Cross station I can't help feeling there will be many more than that by the last count.
    One small mercy is that the bombs don't seem to have been very big - not like car-bomb size anyway. I'm just grateful at the minute that everyone I know down there is safe, one of the bombs is on a friend's route to work but by chance she's on a training course elsewhere today.
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    How about weasly, cowardly fleas who think they can make a statement by killing innocent people? All that terrorism does is creater stronger alliances amongst free democratic societies and fuel the wills of those governments to continue the fight. These groups are a minority and do not represent the will of the majority. As the terrorists in the Palestinians territories have learned, terrorism creates attention for a cause, but only a political solution will bring true economic and social advancements.

    And I do not believe that there will 60 virgins waiting in heaven for the terrorists at their demise, I'm thinking more along the lines of an eternity in hell!

    Condolences to all who have lost loved ones...anyone who lived through 9/11 in the NYC area can relate...
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    Good to hear about your friend PB.
    Nobody I know got affected either (luckily..)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Good to hear about your friend PB.
    Nobody I know got affected either (luckily..)
    Glad to see you're okay ToolkiT.
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    My thoughts and prayers go to the families of the victims.

    To the members of the SAS and SBS, I say, "Good hunting".
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    Ugh, my neighbor's two children are there and she's due to go over in the next day or so.

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    The history of these things suggests that there probably won't be a safer place to be than London in the near future, as security is ramped up and the terrorists go into hiding/on the run. I don't think that the atmosphere will be very lively though, so they might not have the fun they were expecting to.
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    I too send out my condolences to the families affected by these cowardly acts. I often wonder if God sits and cries out, "No, No, No...I didn't tell you to do that you stupid bastards" I'm with insertion...ASSHOLES...cowardly ones at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterBrown
    The history of these things suggests that there probably won't be a safer place to be than London in the near future, as security is ramped up and the terrorists go into hiding/on the run. I don't think that the atmosphere will be very lively though, so they might not have the fun they were expecting to.
    Fact of the matter still is that driving is probably a bigger risk than these terrorists.. the attacks are just more random, barbaric and pointless
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    Quote Originally Posted by millsda2
    I often wonder if God sits and cries out, "No, No, No...I didn't tell you to do that you stupid bastards" I'm with insertion...ASSHOLES...cowardly ones at that.
    This is why I have a hard time believing there is a God, Allah, Jehovah etc if people keep doing these kind of violent acts in their name and there are no concequenses.. It just doesnt add up for me.. all this killing in the name of god is in contrast of what is written in the holy books...
    But then again I am logical thinker and religion is based on faith not on logic..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    This is why I have a hard time believing there is a God, Allah, Jehovah etc if people keep doing these kind of violent acts in their name and there are no concequenses.. It just doesnt add up for me.. all this killing in the name of god is in contrast of what is written in the holy books...
    But then again I am logical thinker and religion is based on faith not on logic..
    you are not the first to have such sentiments. Even religious people question why such acts seem to go unpunished. Consider the musings of the song writer/musician, Asaph:

    Quote Originally Posted by Psalm 73 (New Living Translation)
    The Good News Translation

    1 God is indeed good to Israel, to those who have pure hearts. 2 But I had nearly lost confidence; my faith was almost gone 3 because I was jealous of the proud when I saw that things go well for the wicked. 4 They do not suffer pain; they are strong and healthy. 5 They do not suffer as other people do; they do not have the troubles that others have. 6 And so they wear pride like a necklace and violence like a robe; 7 their hearts pour out evil, F69 and their minds are busy with wicked schemes. 8 They laugh at other people and speak of evil things; they are proud and make plans to oppress others. 9 They speak evil of God in heaven and give arrogant orders to everyone on earth, 10 so that even God's people turn to them and eagerly believe whatever they say. F70 11 They say, "God will not know; the Most High will not find out." 12 That is what the wicked are like. They have plenty and are always getting more. 13 Is it for nothing, then, that I have kept myself pure and have not committed sin? 14 O God, you have made me suffer all day long; every morning you have punished me.

    15 If I had said such things, I would not be acting as one of your people. 16 I tried to think this problem through, but it was too difficult for me 17 until I went into your Temple. Then I understood what will happen to the wicked. 18 You will put them in slippery places and make them fall to destruction! 19 They are instantly destroyed; they go down to a horrible end. 20 They are like a dream that goes away in the morning; when you rouse yourself, O Lord, they disappear.

    21 When my thoughts were bitter and my feelings were hurt, 22 I was as stupid as an animal; I did not understand you. 23 Yet I always stay close to you, and you hold me by the hand. 24 You guide me with your instruction and at the end you will receive me with honor. 25 What else do I have in heaven but you? Since I have you, what else could I want on earth? 26 My mind and my body may grow weak, but God is my strength; he is all I ever need. 27 Those who abandon you will certainly perish; you will destroy those who are unfaithful to you. 28 But as for me, how wonderful to be near God, to find protection with the Sovereign Lord and to proclaim all that he has done!
    (underlines added by me)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    My thoughts and prayers go to the families of the victims.

    To the members of the SAS and SBS, I say, "Good hunting".
    Ditto
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    Nice quoting of the psalmist shopharim, since the beginning of time we have dealt with this.
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    All i have to say to the terrorists is.... do you think this helped you at all? Now you are going to have more elite british AND us AND G8 antiterrorist forces in your ***.

    Hope you burn in hell you Al-Queda *****es.
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    I share my concern, love, and prayers for those who have to bare the burden of these murderous thugs that result to some of the lowest forms of evil with the disguise of a holy mission. I have several close Muslim friends and I am familiar with the general teachings of their faith, and these extemely minority groups bastardize the faith, ignoring everything that speaks against their actions and twist the others into a vague mission statement to add the appearance of a cause supported their actions under the disguise of Islam.

    I lived over in England for several years as well, and I am glad that none of my friends were involved or directly personally effected.

    I also find it very saddening when protestors in places like London side with the terrorist and oppose all efforts to reign them in. I wonder what the protestors in London in the days prior to this feel now after...... "As marchers chanting "George Bush, terrorist" made their way through a business district" ( Click ). They probably feel that this strengthens their case that this is US fault and made these infidels bomb and kill innocent men, women, and children in such an evil way.

    Here is a bit about those who protested in London the days prior to this event:

    The London Streets: Who are these anti-Bush people?

    http://zioneocon.blogspot.com/archiv...n_archive.html (article found about 25% down the page from the top and is hard to find so I will quote it below)

    LONDON — George W. Bush's visit to London this week will be historic for at least two reasons. He will be the first U.S. president to come to Britain on a state visit. He will also observe a bizarre political marriage: one between the remnants of the Marxist-Leninist Left and militant Islamists. Negotiated over the past two years, the "wedding," will be celebrated in a mass demonstration against Bush's visit.

    The demonstration is organized by a shadowy group called "Stop the War Coalition," part of the Hate-America-International, which has orchestrated a number of street "events" in support of the Taliban and the Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein since 2001.

    When I called the coalition to ask whether the idea was to stop all wars, a spokeswoman assured me that this was not the case.

    She referred me to the first article of the coalition's charter that states: "The aim of the coalition is simple: to stop the war currently declared by the United States and its allies against 'terrorism.'"

    "We really want to stop Bush and Blair from going around killing babies," she said. "Our objective is to force the U.S. out of Iraq and Afghanistan."

    But what if a U.S. withdrawal means the return of the Taliban and Saddam Hussein?

    "Anything would be better than American Imperialist rule," she snapped back.

    Who are these nostalgics of the Taliban and Saddam Hussein?

    The coalition has a steering committee of 33 members. Of these, 18 come from various hard left groups: Communists, Trotskyites, Maoists, and Castrists. Three others belong to the radical wing of the Labour party. There are also eight radical Islamists. The remaining four are leftist ecologists known as "Watermelons" (Green outside, red inside).


    The chairman of the coalition is one Andrew Murray, a former employee of the Soviet Novosty Agency and leader in the British Communist party. Cochair is Muhammad Asalm Ijaz of the London Council of Mosques. Members include John Rees of the Socialist Workers' party and Ghayassudin Siddiqui of the Muslim Parliament. Tanja Salem of the Al-awdah (The Return) group, an outfit close to Yasser Arafat, is also a member along with Shahedah Vawda of "Just Peace," another militant Arab group, and Wolf Wayne of the "Green Socialist Network."

    A prominent member is George Galloway, a Labour-party parliamentarian under investigation for the illegal receipt of funds from Saddam Hussein. In his memoirs, Galloway says that the day the Soviet Union collapsed was "the saddest day" of his life.

    Galloway says the only terrorism in the world today comes from the United States, not from organizations such as al Qaeda or the remnants of the Iraqi Baath party.

    The coalition was created in London in September 2001, at first as an exclusively leftist concoction bringing together the remnants of the Stalinist "peace movement" of the 1950s, diehard "no nukes" activists, and some fellow travellers.

    The coalition has succeeded beyond the wildest dreams of its founders. For the first time ever it has brought together all radical leftist and anarchist groups. Under its umbrella march such traditional former archenemies as Stalinists and Trotskyites.

    But the coalition's biggest success is the alliance that it has forged between the extreme Left and militant Islamist groups. This would have been unthinkable even a couple of years ago. The Left always regarded Islam as a "relic of feudalism" and an instrument of reactionary Arab regimes. For their part, the Islamists regarded leftists as atheist enemies who had to be put to the sword.

    The first to advocate a leftist-Islamist alliance against Western democracies was Ayman Al Zawahiri, al Qaeda's #2.

    In a message to al Qaeda sympathizers in Britain in August 2002, he urged them to seek allies among "any movement that opposes America, even atheists."

    The idea has received strong support from Ilich Ramirez Sanchez, the Venezuelan terrorist known as "Carlos the Jackal."

    In his book Revolutionary Islam, published in Paris last month, Carlos, who says he has converted to Islam, says he has advised Osama bin Laden, the al Qaeda leader, to forge an alliance with "all guerrilla, terrorist and other revolutionary groups throughout the world, regardless of their religious or ideological beliefs."

    Carlos says Islam is the only force capable of persuading large numbers of people to become "volunteers" for suicide attacks against the U.S.

    "Only a coalition of Marxists and Islamists can destroy the US," he says.



    Anti-war demonstrators burn the U.S. flag in Trafalgar Square, London, as part of a large protest over U.S. President George W. Bush's state visit November 20, 2003. REUTERS/ David Bebber


    This week's anti-Bush demonstration in London will mark the emergence of a coalition the hard core of which consists of the radical Left and militant Islamism. Around it we find other groups who hate the U.S. for different reasons. There are supporters of free abortion, opponents of capital punishment, anti-globalization fanatics, advocates of the Kyoto protocol on the environment, and anti-Semites who believe the Jews control the United States. But a good part of the planned demonstrations will, as always, consist of what Lenin called "the useful idiots", men and women of good faith whose political naiveté makes them natural targets for experts in agitprop.

    But why are these people taking to the streets?

    One reason is that the parties, groups, and individuals involved have consistently failed to find a place in the normal institutions of British democracy.

    The 60 or so leftist and Islamist groups involved in this odd enterprise have never managed to win more than one half of one percent of the votes in any British general election. Nor have they succeeded in winning a single seat in parliament or a majority in a single municipal council.

    Those who can never win elections, always take to the streets. Street politics enables them to escape debate on complex issues that cannot be reduced to a few simplistic slogans.

    Britain's participation in the war against terrorism was the subject of four exhaustive debates in the House of Commons in 2001 and 2002, each followed by a vote that Prime Minister Tony Blair won.

    Street politics is for those who wish to abolish individual political judgment, the cornerstone of democratic life. Street politics encourages the irrational tendencies of crowds that could turn into hunting packs or lynch mobs. Power won in the streets produces only ochlocracy (rule by the worst).

    To make sure that no discordant voice is heard, the organizers of the demonstrations have announced that only "authorized" t-shirts, hats and other paraphernalia will be allowed. Only four slogans are permitted: "Stop Bush," "Stop Blair," " U.S. Out of Iraq and Afghanistan," and " Bush Go Home!"

    The demonstration's security force, made up of muscular Marxists and Islamists, has instructions to prevent any sign of pro-American sentiments. A group that has said it wants to take part in the demonstrations with t-shirts saying "Bush-Cheney: Four More Years!" has been warned of "dire consequences."

    The London demonstration is planned and will be supervised in the best Stalinist traditions still in force in North Korea.

    In countries that suffer under despotism, the street is, at times, the only space available to the opposition. This is why we hear so much about the so-called "Arab street." But do we need a "British street" that disdains the institutions of democracy, including mainstream political parties, and the parliament?



    British police officers lead anti-war and anti-Bush protesters during a demonstration in London Thursday Nov. 20, 2003.
    (AP Photo/Laurent Rebours)


    Amir Taheri, and NRO contributor, is an Iranian author of ten books on the Middle East and Islam.
    Taheri is reachable through www.benadorassociates.com.


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