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  1. #21  
    I feel bad when any country gets attacked by terrorists. But because GB has been such a great friend for the last century, I feel an attack on London may as well be an attack on NY or any other American city. It's no different to me. Hope we can help GB bring those responsible to justice.

    How ironic that just last weekend good meaning people brought attention to Africa and G-8 by holding Live 8. Now murder is used to bring attention to it as well. How sad .
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  2. #22  
    Some updated coverage:

    U.S. raises terror alert for transit systems
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...s_x.htm?csp=15

    London news blog
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...newsblog_x.htm

    'Al-Qaeda' group linked to London blasts
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...on-claim_x.htm
    "Rejoice, Islamic nation. Rejoice, Arab world. The time has come for vengeance against the Zionist crusader government of Britain in response to the massacres Britain committed in Iraq and Afghanistan," read the statement, a photograph of which was displayed on Der Spiegel's Web site.

    "The heroic mujahedeen carried out a blessed attack in London, and now Britain is burning with fear and terror, from north to south, east to west," it said.
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  3. #23  
    my thoughts and prayers are with our british friends.
  4. #24  
    burning with fear and terror? no. burning with vengance and retribution? better believe it.

    never forget.
  5. #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by takmsdsm
    burning with fear and terror? no. burning with vengance and retribution? better believe it.

    never forget.
    I wouldnt say burning at all.. people are mad at the pointless killing, but not feared at all.. years of IRA bombings took away that fear I guess..
    Looks like this terrorist group is blowing its own trumpet... pretty sad really..
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  6. #26  
    "The heroic mujahedeen carried out a blessed attack in London"
    Yeah really heroic, bombing innocent unarmed civilians :/
    I guess they steal candy from baby's too.

    The more I read their statement the more I feel sorry for them, what a bunch of misguided losers
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  7. #27  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    This is why I have a hard time believing there is a God, Allah, Jehovah etc if people keep doing these kind of violent acts in their name and there are no concequenses.. It just doesnt add up for me.. all this killing in the name of god is in contrast of what is written in the holy books...
    But then again I am logical thinker and religion is based on faith not on logic..
    A couple of additional thoughts on this sentiment...

    Many call for justice unless and until it is they who are worthy of condemnation.

    Stated another way: It is only the innocent who call for justice. The guilty seek mercy.

    It is logical to want to see instant retribution after events like what occured in London (and Madrid, and New York, and Wash DC, and...). It is only when you discover that the slightest deceit (also known as a fib or a "little white lie") offends the holiness of God in the very same way that this act does that you come to appreciate the long-suffering of God. For if wickedness were treated justly, none of us would remain.
  8. #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by robangel
    Nice quoting of the psalmist shopharim, since the beginning of time we have dealt with this.
    And, sad to say, we will continue to deal with it. The human heart is capable of incredible good. Yet, it is equally capable of, and all too frequently more prone to, indiscribable evil.
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    this bombings make you wonder what is best method of preventing these people from killing others again.
    the fact of the matter is that these terrorist bombings are all brought about by the same group.
    these cells are scattered all throughout every country it seems, but they are all of the same group - radical muslims
    what makes this war unfortunate for the multitudes of innocent muslims is that these radicals make it almost necessary - for the very sake of protecting OUR very lives - to have to examine all muslims closer than anyone else - who are they associating with, providing financial support to, collaborating with, providing inside information about our buildings or infrastructures to, etc.. what other choice do we have at this point?
    in truth, the radicals are threatening not us, but the lifestyles of their own innocent muslim brothers and sisters within western countries, because they are forcing people to alienate them out of absolute self-preservation.
    you want to regard everyone equally, this is the way it always should be. but deep down, because we are losing loved ones to horrible tragedies like these, we really can't afford to be so trusting of everyone at this point in time.
    our constitution is based upon protecting civil liberties. but, ladies and gentlemen, after nightmares like these. you quickly begin to realize that it is FAR MORE IMPORTANT to protect lives than civil liberties.

    sad state of affairs.
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    never forget.
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  11. #31  
    Condolences to the victims of the London bombing.

    This is not a war about nations going against nations. This war is being waged covertly by specific groups with no visible leader. If one leader dies, another one immediately replaces the dead one. Life is of no value to these people, only the glory of dying for what they believe is a just cause.

    Ideally, it must be fought on the same terms. Unfortunately, doing so tends to worsen the situation, as the oversight of command and control chain is vague, accountabilities are not easy to determine.

    At this point, countries with democratic beliefs must stay firm and resolve to support each other.
  12. #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    ...our constitution is based upon protecting civil liberties. but, ladies and gentlemen, after nightmares like these. you quickly begin to realize that it is FAR MORE IMPORTANT to protect lives than civil liberties.

    sad state of affairs.
    The protection of lives is dependent on the longevity of civil liberties. Our consitution recognizes certain inalienable rights that are inherent to all. It does not grant these rights, but rather it defends them. If those rights are abridged or infringed upon, the lives of the people are immediately jeopardized.
  13. #33  
    Quote Originally Posted by ronbo2000
    Condolences to the victims of the London bombing.

    This is not a war about nations going against nations. This war is being waged covertly by specific groups with no visible leader. If one leader dies, another one immediately replaces the dead one. Life is of no value to these people, only the glory of dying for what they believe is a just cause.

    Ideally, it must be fought on the same terms. Unfortunately, doing so tends to worsen the situation, as the oversight of command and control chain is vague, accountabilities are not easy to determine.

    At this point, countries with democratic beliefs must stay firm and resolve to support each other.
    Fighting on the same terms means having the same, in fact greater, resolve; even to death. It does not mean, however, utilizing the same structures or strategies.
  14. #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by takmsdsm
    burning with fear and terror? no. burning with vengance and retribution? better believe it.

    never forget.
    There's no burning here. We won't forget, we will commemorate, but then we'll get on with life as normal. The main thing I felt watching all the news coverage last week was grief, I lost count of how many times I nearly cried looking at the images and hearing the stories.

    The way I see it is that we didn't defeat the IRA militarily - except in terms of containing them and grinding them down - we are however closer than ever to defeating them by normalising the political process. It's not normal yet, and it won't be for some time to come, but it demonstrates how the only way to win a battle of ideology is by ideology. In other words no matter how many terrorists we kill or imprison there will be plenty more, unless we can win the hearts and minds. And it may not be a case of winning hearts and minds by getting people to subscribe to our values, it may be more a case of giving the communities the bombers come from a political voice so that they feel their voice is heard better that way than through bombs and bullets.

    Part of that is also to make the use of bombs and bullets less effective, by containing them and neutralising them militarily and through the use of intelligence. But don't ever think that we will win this war through those means alone, and please don't think in terms of vengeance and retribution, what we need is to dampen the flames of violence, not fan them. The calm reaction of Londoners has given the lie to the claim that Britain is burning with fear and terror, I think that's the most powerful statement of all.
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    very well said PB! totally agree!

    Maybe a plan similar to the marshall plan for the middle east might be a sollution. Even if it goes the gut feeling of many people seeking revenge..
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  16. #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by PeterBrown
    There's no burning here. We won't forget, we will commemorate, but then we'll get on with life as normal. The main thing I felt watching all the news coverage last week was grief, I lost count of how many times I nearly cried looking at the images and hearing the stories.

    The way I see it is that we didn't defeat the IRA militarily - except in terms of containing them and grinding them down - we are however closer than ever to defeating them by normalising the political process. It's not normal yet, and it won't be for some time to come, but it demonstrates how the only way to win a battle of ideology is by ideology. In other words no matter how many terrorists we kill or imprison there will be plenty more, unless we can win the hearts and minds. And it may not be a case of winning hearts and minds by getting people to subscribe to our values, it may be more a case of giving the communities the bombers come from a political voice so that they feel their voice is heard better that way than through bombs and bullets.

    Part of that is also to make the use of bombs and bullets less effective, by containing them and neutralising them militarily and through the use of intelligence. But don't ever think that we will win this war through those means alone, and please don't think in terms of vengeance and retribution, what we need is to dampen the flames of violence, not fan them. The calm reaction of Londoners has given the lie to the claim that Britain is burning with fear and terror, I think that's the most powerful statement of all.
    Great words, I totally agree. The people of London have given the best possible response to the terrorist by staying calm, but resolved, they have given an excellent example. I have read that the driver of the bus which got bombed said he would start working again right away, just to show that the terrorists did not achieve their goal: terror.
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  17. #37  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Great words, I totally agree. The people of London have given the best possible response to the terrorist by staying calm, but resolved, they have given an excellent example. I have read that the driver of the bus which got bombed said he would start working again right away, just to show that the terrorists did not achieve their goal: terror.
    That man should be given a medal for that, I think he hit the nail on the head!
    Terrorism only works if it creates fear (aka terror) if that doesnt work you take away the effectiveness of the tool and it becomes futile..
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  18. #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    That man should be given a medal for that, I think he hit the nail on the head!
    Terrorism only works if it creates fear (aka terror) if that doesnt work you take away the effectiveness of the tool and it becomes futile..
    I agree with you completely.
  19. #39  
    Of course, most of us in the UK regard Londoners as rather too excitable!
    Animo et Fide
  20. #40  
    I'm feeling badly let down by the USA military this morning, all personnel stationed in the UK have been told not to go into London. What's that about? It's safe enough for the queen to drive slowly down the Mall in an open top vehicle, it's safe enough for the mayor of London to go on the Tube. It's safe enough for several million people to go about their normal business, what are we to make of this order? I honestly didn't think the US military were such cowards.
    Animo et Fide
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