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    I am starting this thread so we can get a real feel for what is going on in Iraq. Some folks here think Iraq is going just great and some feel that it is a 'Quagmire' with no near end in sight. So here is where we post articles that we find from 'credible' news sorurces. The folks that feel it is going well please post recent things which you feel is progress. On the flip side of this coin I want the people who feel it is going bad, to post their news articles from 'credible' sources. I guess I will start since I feel this is an unjust war. Again no opinions are to be expressed here, just news articles that support your stance on this dividing issue.

    From Memos, Insights Into Ally's Doubts On Iraq War
    Blair's Advisers Foresaw Variety of Risks, Problems

    By Glenn Frankel
    Washington Post Foreign Service
    Tuesday, June 28, 2005; Page A01

    LONDON -- In the spring of 2002, two weeks before British Prime Minister Tony Blair journeyed to Crawford, Tex., to meet with President Bush at his ranch about the escalating confrontation with Iraq, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw sounded a prescient warning.

    -snip-
    In public, British officials were declaring their solidarity with the Bush administration's calls for elimination of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. But Straw's memo and seven other secret documents disclosed in recent months by British journalist Michael Smith together reveal a much different picture. Behind the scenes, British officials believed the U.S. administration was already committed to a war that they feared was ill-conceived and illegal and could lead to disaster.

    The documents indicate that the officials foresaw a host of problems that later would haunt both governments -- including thin intelligence about the nature of the Iraqi threat, weak public support for war and a lack of planning for the aftermath of military action. British cabinet ministers, Foreign Office diplomats, senior generals and intelligence service officials all weighed in with concerns and reservations. Yet they could not dissuade their counterparts in the Bush administration -- nor, indeed, their own leader -- from going forward.

    -snip-
    This article is based on those memos, supplemented by interviews with officials on both sides of the Atlantic -- none of whom was willing to be cited by name because of the sensitivity of the issue -- and written accounts. Spokesmen for the Foreign Office and the prime minister's office declined to comment but did not question the authenticity of the documents.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...062701584.html
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    (sniff - sniff, I smell civil war)

    In the south, a bid to loosen Baghdad's grip

    "BASRA, IRAQ Crowded into a narrow room beneath an image of the Shiite icon Imam Ali, members of the Garamsha tribe drink tea and discuss current events with visiting journalists. Though reputedly behind most of the car thefts, hijackings, and kidnappings roiling this southern city, the tribesmen seem more interested in politics.

    "Baghdad is so violent now, we are uncomfortable linking our fate with it," says Tariq Hamid, as his fellow clan leaders nod. "We support a decentralized form of government, where Basra controls its own affairs."

    Like the Kurds to the north, the Shiites of Iraq's southern regions have long bristled under Baghdad's centralized and often brutal control. But with their security relatively stable and newly elected officials in office - particularly the increasingly independent provincial Governing Councils (GCs) - southern Iraqis are pressing the case for decentralization, or federalism...."
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    Iraq to launch bidding for mobile phone licences

    AMMAN (AFP) - Iraq announced it will launch a bidding process for new mobile phone licences in July, five months before the licenses held by three main regional firms are set to expire.

    Egypt's telecom giant Orascom controls Iraq's central region, while mobile phone operations for the south are managed by Atheer, a branch of the Kuwaiti firm MTC, and the north is in the hands of Asiacell, a consortium of Iraqi and Gulf firms.

    The US-led Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) which ruled Iraq until June last year, awarded the two-year licenses, which run out at the end of December.

    "We will announce the opening of the process of bidding for the new mobile licences for Iraq... by holding a conference in London July 21-22," Iraqi National Communications and Media Commission chief Siyamend Othman said Tuesday.

    -snip-

    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...n_050628154845
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    It is going to be very difficult for almost everyone on this board to have a true impression of how it is in Iraq. Unless you have been there, you are going to colour your impression via the media. We all know how devisive this issue is and how passionate everyones opinions are, the media's representation is not immune to these same things.

    If you haven't been there, you might watch your tongue as you might find yourself stepping on it...

    Just the opinion of this Sgt....
    "It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." -- Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, Sergeant, USMC
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattyparanoid
    It is going to be very difficult for almost everyone on this board to have a true impression of how it is in Iraq. Unless you have been there, you are going to colour your impression via the media. We all know how devisive this issue is and how passionate everyones opinions are, the media's representation is not immune to these same things.

    If you haven't been there, you might watch your tongue as you might find yourself stepping on it...

    Just the opinion of this Sgt....
    I believe he point here is to point out differing news accounts and perspectives to attempt to get an overall view of where the situation is going. I also doubt if I were to spend 6 months there now I would have that much more an understanding considering I would still be devoid the experiences of the people of Iraq.
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    Lots of good news here....

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110006875

    -The joint American-European Union conference on Iraq held in Brussels (the one Kofi Annan mentioned) has mobilized a significant section of the international community to rally behind Iraq:

    -Back on the domestic scene, on June 14 Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari received an almost unanimous vote of confidence from the National Assembly for his government and its program

    -The president of the Iraqi constitutional committee, Humam Hamudi, has in fact announced that the constitutional committee has completed 80% of its work already. In another good news, a compromise has been reached about the participation of members of the Sunni community in the constitutional process:

    -A radio station focusing on women's issues has hit the airwaves in the Iraqi capital, Baghdad.
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    [QUOTE=daThomas](sniff - sniff, I smell civil war)

    No, that's just your fervent hope being burned by the reality of progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    (sniff - sniff, I smell civil war)

    No, that's just your fervent hope being burned by the reality of progress.
    progress in supplying water, progress in supplying electricity, food, medical care, sanitation, security... I wonder how much more "progress the Iraqui people can take?
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    NEWS RELEASE
    HEADQUARTERS UNITED STATES CENTRAL COMMAND
    7115 South Boundary Boulevard
    MacDill AFB, Fla. 33621-5101
    Phone: (813) 827-5894; FAX: (813) 827-2211; DSN 651-5894

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    June 28, 2005
    Release Number: 05-06-39C


    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


    TASK FORCE LIBERTY SOLDIER KILLED

    TIKRIT, Iraq A Task Force Liberty Soldier was killed when a vehicle-borne improvised explosive device detonated near a combat patrol west of Tikrit at about 4:15 p.m. June 28.

    Two Soldiers were wounded in the attack and are being treated for non-life-threatening wounds at a Coalition Forces medical facility.

    The name of the deceased is being withheld pending notification of next of kin.

    The incident is under investigation.

    Text for release and opsec review provided by the 42ND Infantry Division Public Affairs Office. For more information, please contact 42 ID PAO at fortysecond.id.pao@us.army.MIL.

    http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/C...t=20050639.txt
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    NEWS RELEASE
    HEADQUARTERS UNITED STATES CENTRAL COMMAND
    7115 South Boundary Boulevard
    MacDill AFB, Fla. 33621-5101
    Phone: (813) 827-5894; FAX: (813) 827-2211; DSN 651-5894

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    June 28, 2005
    Release Number: 05-06-38C


    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


    TASK FORCE LIBERTY SOLDIER KILLED

    TIKRIT, Iraq A Task Force Liberty Soldier was killed when a suicide vehicle-borne improvised explosive device detonated near a Coalition Forces base near Balad at about 11:40 a.m. June 28.

    The name of the Soldier is being withheld pending notification of next of kin.

    One wounded Soldier was taken to a Coalition Forces medical facility for treatment of non-life-threatening wounds.

    For more information, please contact 42 ID PAO at FORTYSECOND.ID.PAO@US.ARMY.MIL.

    http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/C...t=20050638.txt
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    Definition, timing, and use of quagmire among media:

    Ironically, Sen. Edward Kennedy (search), D-Mass., was among the first politicians to compare his brother's Vietnam quagmire to Iraq. But his office acknowledged Monday that he is one of three senators on the Senate Armed Services Committee who has not yet visited the country.

    The record suggests that reporters often don't recognize a quagmire when they see it. For instance, President Bush was first asked whether he could avoid a quagmire in Afghanistan four days after the start of the war there.

    The president said he could avoid a quagmire, but less than two weeks later the Los Angeles Times noted hand-wringing at home.

    "The experts are warning that both the political and military elements of Operation Enduring Freedom (search) are doomed to slip into a quagmire or fail entirely," read the Oct. 26, 2001, editorial. Two months later, the United States liberated Afghanistan.

    The quagmire metaphor also hanged over early coverage of Operation Iraqi Freedom (search). Eight days into the war, The New York Times and The Washington Post compared Iraqi fighters to the resilient North Vietnamese. Eighteen days later, the United States overthrew Saddam Hussein.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160854,00.html
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    Halliburton Iraq deals 'contract abuse'

    Pentagon auditors flag over $1 billion of potential overcharges by Texas firm.
    June 28, 2005: 12:10 PM EDT

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A top Army procurement official said Monday Halliburton's deals in Iraq were the worst example of contract abuse she had seen as Pentagon auditors flagged over $1 billion of potential overcharges by the Texas-based firm.

    Bunny Greenhouse, the Army Corps of Engineers' top contracting official-turned whistle-blower, said in testimony at a hearing by Democrats on Capitol Hill that "every aspect" of Halliburton's oil contract in Iraq had been under the control of the Office of the Secretary of Defense.

    "I can unequivocally state that the abuse related to contracts awarded to KBR (Kellogg Brown and Root) represents the most blatant and improper contract abuse I have witnessed during the course of my professional career," said Greenhouse, a procurement veteran of more than 20 years.

    Her blistering criticism came as Democrats released a new report including Pentagon audits that identified more than $1.03 billion in "questioned" costs and $422 million in "unsupported" costs for Halliburton's work in Iraq.

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    http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/28/news...n=money_latest
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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    Definition, timing, and use of quagmire among media:
    Hobbes edit your clipping down to 4 paragraphs and no more. You could possibly violate copyright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Hobbes edit your clipping down to 4 paragraphs and no more. You could possibly violate copyright.
    Okay...it is down to 5 paragraphs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nudist
    progress in supplying water, progress in supplying electricity, food, medical care, sanitation, security... I wonder how much more "progress the Iraqui people can take?
    You do realize that we are rebuilding, and in many cases, creating, infrastructure that Saddam's henchmen ignored for decades? You don't really think that there was 100% electricity availabilty on his watch, do you? Or aren't you aware that his boys ROUTINELY shut power off to certain areas at certain times, just as a way of keeping them down. Ditto water and medical care. (And I wonder how many Iraqis would prefer power outages to being stuffed feet first down a shredder?) All of this in the face of attacks by FOREIGN fighters and dead ender Baathists.

    But of course you know all that. You're just interested in doing your part to ensure that the Great Satan is defeated.
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    NRG: thought you started the thread as a good and bad? So far you're skewing significantly toward the bad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by treo2die4
    NRG: thought you started the thread as a good and bad? So far you're skewing significantly toward the bad?
    No, NRG made his point perfectly clear on what he was going to post. Essentially he is going to parrot the MSM's line that we are losing, that Bush is at fault, and our troops are Nazis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treo2die4
    NRG: thought you started the thread as a good and bad? So far you're skewing significantly toward the bad?
    It is up to the folks who support the war to provide the counter balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    It is up to the folks who support the war to provide the counter balance.
    So 1911sforever was right.......so just because you don't support an action means you should purposfully turn a blind eye to anything positive that comes out of that action.....okay, it's your thread
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