1.  06/21/2005, 07:17 AM Coordination or Coincidence Imagine you went to Spain on vacation/holiday. Rather than visit well known places, you and your travel companions decided to select a small town to explore. Upon your arrival, you find the town pretty deserted. Undaunted, you proceed to the local inn, have dinner and go to bed. In the morning you are awakened to a den of noise. It is not particularly loud. It is the sound of a large group of people. When you look out the window you see what turns out to be 10,000 people all identically dressed. Upon further inquiry you learn that the group consists of people from all over the world. Surprised that the local citizens did not mention the gathering, you inquire of the innskeeper who informs you they were unaware there would be such a event. Would you conclude that the assembly was the result of coordination or coincidence? Would your conclusion change if there were only 50 people gathered instead of 10,000? Last edited by shopharim; 06/21/2005 at 08:27 AM.
2.  06/21/2005, 08:11 AM Originally Posted by shopharim Coordination or Coincidence Imagine you went to Spain on vacation/holiday. Rather than visit well known places, you and your travel companions decided to select a small town to explore. Upon your arrival, you find the town pretty deserted. Undaunted, you proceed to the local inn, have dinner and go to bed. In the morning you are awakened to a den of noise. It is not particularly loud. It is the sound of a large group of people. When you look out the window you see what turns out to be 10,000 people all identically dressed. Upon further inquiry you learn that the group consists of people from all over the world. Surprised that the local citizens did not mention the gathering, you inquire of the innskeeper who informs you they were unaware there would be such a event. Would you conclude that the assembly was the result of coordination or coincidence? Would you conclusion change if there were only 50 people gathered instead of 10,000? Why do I get the impression this has to do with evolution? What do you mean by "coordination" and "coincidence"? If the question is whether it is possible that 50 or 10,000 from all over the world gather in one small town in Spain, all dressed the same, without any common reason or motive for going there and dressing like that... it is possible, but unlikely. 200 times less likely for 10,000 people vs. 50 people. The degree of likelihood of course depends on the definition of things like "dressed the same" "from all over the world", etc. Once the summer holiday season starts, it is not that unlikely that you will have thousands of people from all over the world all dressed in swimsuits in a relatively small town in Spain. Huge crowds of Germans and Brits are everywhere in Spain, I tell you. “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” (Philip K. ****)
3.  06/21/2005, 08:12 AM Were they throwing tomatoes?
4.  06/21/2005, 08:24 AM You must be referring to the Colotado Tomato Wars. Taylor Adams began the Tomato Wars in 1982 as a protest against Texans in Colorado who constantly try to change the environment of the state. Legend has it that in 1982, when Adams was still the owner of the Black Wolf Inn at Twin Lakes, a woman from Dallas, while gazing upon Mt Elbert, said: "This is a pretty area. Its a shame nobody's done anything with it." This may have been the comment which inspired the battle cry: "Keep Colorado beautiful: put a Texan on a bus." The tomato war contest is held in September. The battle zone varies from year to year. The rules are simple: There is an army consisting of a captain, 9 soldiers and an M.P. The soldiers carry their ammunition in plastic grocery bags strapped to their waists. The bugle sounds at noon and the Colorado soldiers charge the Texans, who usually retreat into their fort (known as the Tomalamo) and defend their fort by throwing tomatoes at a rapid pace. Soldiers hit above the torso by a tomato are considered dead and must leave the battlefield and watch from the sidelines. Although the Colorado armies often run out of ammunition, they ultimately surround the Texans fort and bring down the Lone Star flag. The process usually takes about 2 hours. After Saturdays battle, there is a shoot out on Sunday among the winning contestants. Some of the best strategies have included a Texan arriving by helicopter, a Coloradoan arriving by parachute and a peace march held by a dissenting army, holding signs such as "Hell No We Won't Throw" and spouting slogans that tomatoes should be used for other uses, such as bloody marys. The best strategy involved an attractive Texas female who began to undress within sight of advancing male Colorado warriors. The Coloradoans were caught off guard and ambushed. Well behaved women rarely make history
5.  06/21/2005, 08:26 AM For clarity (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) * Coordination: The regulation of diverse elements into an integrated and harmonious operation. Coordination means integrating or linking together different parts of an organization to accomplish a collective set of tasks. * Coincidence: A coincidence occurs when unexpected parallels can be drawn from two or more events. In the popular sense it is used to describe events (or, more accurately, combinations of two or more events) which are of low probability. * Identically: Arbitrary objects a and b can be said to be qualitatively identical if a and b are duplicates, that is, if a and b are exactly similar in all respects, that is, if a and b have all qualitative properties in common.
6.  06/21/2005, 08:29 AM For the sake of discussion, consider "all over the world" to mean that the assembly consisted of people from every recognized organized nation, plus some unrecognized nations (and some disorganized ones )
7.  06/21/2005, 08:44 AM Is this like that time in college when I got drunk and woke up next to those twin girls?? MaxiMunK.com The Forum That Asks, "Are You Not Entertained?" Remember: "Anyone that thinks the Treo should just work right out of the box, shouldn't own a Treo..."
8.  06/21/2005, 08:44 AM COORDINATION, whether it was 50 or 10,000! While random (probability) theory allows that you could roll 10,000 "6s" in a row with a single die (dice), the likelyhood of it, without some mitigating force, is highly unlikely. Does this make me a conspiracy theorist? Cheers, Perry. Last edited by gtwo; 06/21/2005 at 10:32 AM.
9.  06/21/2005, 09:20 AM Originally Posted by shopharim For clarity (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) ... So, you just wanted to know, or is there more behind it? “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” (Philip K. ****)
10.  06/21/2005, 09:41 AM Originally Posted by clulup So, you just wanted to know, or is there more behind it? I'm curious too on how he's gonna spin this *edited to vote coordinated* Last edited by RicoM; 06/21/2005 at 09:58 AM.
11.  06/21/2005, 09:41 AM Originally Posted by clulup So, you just wanted to know, or is there more behind it? Of course there's more behind it. However, getting the survey results is the most important factor at this time. For the record, it is not about evolution (except to the extent that everything is about evloution since evolution is happening all around us all the time)
12.  06/21/2005, 10:21 AM Originally Posted by shopharim Of course there's more behind it. However, getting the survey results is the most important factor at this time. Ok, here's some reading while we wait for the mystery to be revealed : http://therapists.psychologytoday.co...715-000008.xml http://www.davidmyers.org/Brix?pageID=91 “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” (Philip K. ****)
13.  06/21/2005, 10:29 AM My subjective view... Their is no such thing as "coincidence"... It is just another one of those words we make up to describe something we do not understand. Therefore... The only correct answer is Coordination.
14.  06/21/2005, 10:32 AM Originally Posted by shopharim Coordination or Coincidence Imagine you went to Spain on vacation/holiday. Rather than visit well known places, you and your travel companions decided to select a small town to explore. Upon your arrival, you find the town pretty deserted. Undaunted, you proceed to the local inn, have dinner and go to bed. In the morning you are awakened to a den of noise. It is not particularly loud. It is the sound of a large group of people. When you look out the window you see what turns out to be 10,000 people all identically dressed. Upon further inquiry you learn that the group consists of people from all over the world. Surprised that the local citizens did not mention the gathering, you inquire of the innskeeper who informs you they were unaware there would be such a event. Would you conclude that the assembly was the result of coordination or coincidence? Would your conclusion change if there were only 50 people gathered instead of 10,000? My conclusion....you smoke some dang good crack...where can i get some
15.  06/21/2005, 10:34 AM Originally Posted by Longstrider My subjective view... Their is no such thing as "coincidence"... It is just another one of those words we make up to describe something we do not understand. Therefore... The only correct answer is Coordination. I agree. Except the only answer isn't Coordination. We just can't fathom the other answer right now. So my answer is unfathomable. .
16.  06/21/2005, 10:34 AM Originally Posted by hofo_mofo My conclusion....you smoke some dang good crack...where can i get some So, what is your vote Kris? (We are herding cats, once again! )
17.  06/21/2005, 10:37 AM Originally Posted by hofo_mofo My conclusion....you smoke some dang good crack...where can i get some Hmmm... I sincerely doubt crack would cause this. NOW... Some good peyote, acid, mushrooms, or in particular LSD could make you see 100,000 jesus christs all dressed the same and bowing down to you! Or so i have heard...
18.  06/21/2005, 10:40 AM Originally Posted by skillllllz I agree. Except the only answer isn't Coordination. We just can't fathom the other answer right now. So my answer is unfathomable. Unfathomable... Another one of those words... Everything is fathomable... it is a matter or perspective. You are assuming that using the word coordination means that the 10000 people somehow communicated and were responsible for the gathering. But... that does not have to be the case. It was still coordinated under any circumstance. Last edited by Longstrider; 06/21/2005 at 11:29 AM.
19.  06/21/2005, 10:43 AM I'd say it is Cooincidency you are there, but coordination for the other 10K people. The odds of those people being there at the same time are pretty small let allone them wearing the same thing.. So playing the odds I'd say coordination.. (ex)VisorCentral Discussion Moderator Do files get embarrassed when they get unzipped?
20.  06/21/2005, 10:44 AM Originally Posted by ToolkiT I'd say it is Cooincidency you are there, but coordination for the other 10K people. I like that
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