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    #141  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    What you fail to seem to understand is that Republicans run their party like a business.
    No I understand this very well. This why so many of the repubs policies cater to corprate interests, (i.e. Bankrupcty bill)

    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Howard Dean has gotten himself involved with the grassroots and seems to be ineffective with so called party factions and political insiders.
    What factions may this be? Repub lites maybe but otherwise I don't see it. Also Dean doesn't care about the "insiders" they matter not, it is the people that he is aiming for.

    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    I will also restate the fact that the Clinton's hate him and that will be enuff to seal his fate.
    I would like to read about this, if you would please post a link to this info.
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    New figures reveal that Dean has done a woeful job of raising money for the party since he became party chief.

    After essentially matching the Republicans in fund-raising in 2004, the Democratic National Committee raised $14.1 million in the first quarter of 2005, while the Republicans raised $32.3 million, according to the Federal Election Commission.

    Dean attracted about 20,000 new donors, but the Republican National Committee picked up 68,200.

    And much of the new Dean money, Washington insiders say, came from John Kerry’s backing after Dean took the DNC position. Kerry sent out an email urging his email supporters to give to the DNC.

    The majority Republican party now has $26.2 million in the bank, compared to just $7.2 million for the Democrats.

    “Given Dean’s 2004 run as a populist crusader, moderates were never wild about his takeover of the Democratic National Committee. So some big donors are sitting on their wallets,” Business Week reports.

    Dean appears intent on raising money through small-time contributors and has made little effort to reach out to major corporate donors, according to insiders.

    “Howard Dean is the wrong person to be chair,” declared real estate developer William W. Batoff, a longtime Democratic fund-raiser, who says he will boycott the DNC as long as Dean is in charge - which given his fund-raising troubles, might not be as long as he’d hope.

    Another problem for Dean is the Clintons. They control the Democrat money machine - and they absolutely despise Dean.

    Hillary has reshaped her image to a party moderate, and Dean appeals to the ultra-left.

    Dean has become a key member of the Gang of Four - the leading Democrats who want to stop Hillary’s 2008 presidential bid. The three other members of the Gang are Al Gore, John Kerry and Ted Kennedy.

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    #143  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    New figures reveal that Dean has done a woeful job of raising money for the party since he became party chief.

    After essentially matching the Republicans in fund-raising in 2004, the Democratic National Committee raised $14.1 million in the first quarter of 2005, while the Republicans raised $32.3 million, according to the Federal Election Commission.

    Dean attracted about 20,000 new donors, but the Republican National Committee picked up 68,200.

    And much of the new Dean money, Washington insiders say, came from John Kerry’s backing after Dean took the DNC position. Kerry sent out an email urging his email supporters to give to the DNC.

    The majority Republican party now has $26.2 million in the bank, compared to just $7.2 million for the Democrats.

    “Given Dean’s 2004 run as a populist crusader, moderates were never wild about his takeover of the Democratic National Committee. So some big donors are sitting on their wallets,” Business Week reports.

    Dean appears intent on raising money through small-time contributors and has made little effort to reach out to major corporate donors, according to insiders.

    “Howard Dean is the wrong person to be chair,” declared real estate developer William W. Batoff, a longtime Democratic fund-raiser, who says he will boycott the DNC as long as Dean is in charge - which given his fund-raising troubles, might not be as long as he’d hope.

    Another problem for Dean is the Clintons. They control the Democrat money machine - and they absolutely despise Dean.

    Hillary has reshaped her image to a party moderate, and Dean appeals to the ultra-left.

    Dean has become a key member of the Gang of Four - the leading Democrats who want to stop Hillary’s 2008 presidential bid. The three other members of the Gang are Al Gore, John Kerry and Ted Kennedy.

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    Nice source, NewsMax. How long did it take you to find this piece of trash? I give you FEC documents that state Dean has raised more money than any other DNC chair in an off year and you give me a NewsMax article. Nice.

    I would also like to state that the figures from 2004 were an election year. Also not to mention the repubs won and that is reflected in money raised.
  4. #144  
    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Nice source, NewsMax. How long did it take you to find this piece of trash? I give you FEC documents that state Dean has raised more money than any other DNC chair in an off year and you give me a NewsMax article. Nice.

    I would also like to state that the figures from 2004 were an election year. Also not to mention the repubs won and that is reflected in money raised.
    You used some crap from mydd.com. Who's kidding whom

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  5. #145  
    You also havent disproven the notion that much of the new Dean money came from John Kerry’s backing after Dean took the DNC position.

    Or the Businessweek report that "big donors are sitting on their wallets."

    Or my favorite, "Another problem for Dean is the Clintons. They control the Democrat money machine - and they absolutely despise Dean."

    What's unfortunate is that you dont seem to have an opinion of your own. You use all these bogus blogger statements and pass them off as fact rather then "someone elses" opinion.
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    #146  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    You used some crap from mydd.com. Who's kidding whom

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    If you looked my crap is backed up by FEC documents your source cannot claim anything but Washington insiders. Who are these Washington insiders? "Some people say", is not a source.
    Nice try though.
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    #147  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    You also havent disproven the notion that much of the new Dean money came from John Kerry’s backing after Dean took the DNC position.

    Or the Businessweek report that "big donors are sitting on their wallets."

    Or my favorite, "Another problem for Dean is the Clintons. They control the Democrat money machine - and they absolutely despise Dean."

    What's unfortunate is that you dont seem to have an opinion of your own. You use all these bogus blogger statements and pass them off as fact rather then "someone elses" opinion.
    FEC is a blogger opinion huh?
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    #148  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    You also havent disproven the notion that much of the new Dean money came from John Kerry’s backing after Dean took the DNC position.
    You haven't proved it. Why should I waste my time trying to discredit something that hasn't even been proven yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Or the Businessweek report that "big donors are sitting on their wallets."
    I think we should wait till elections come up. If I was a donor I wouldn't donate big till there was something going on.

    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Or my favorite, "Another problem for Dean is the Clintons. They control the Democrat money machine - and they absolutely despise Dean."
    Still not a proven. Show this is true and I will concede.

    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    What's unfortunate is that you dont seem to have an opinion of your own. You use all these bogus blogger statements and pass them off as fact rather then "someone elses" opinion.
    Sure Claire you go on and keep thinking that if that makes you feel better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    If you looked my crap is backed up by FEC documents your source cannot claim anything but Washington insiders. Who are these Washington insiders? "Some people say", is not a source.
    Nice try though.
    You're a laugh a minute. Save some for Vegas. I mean just incase 7-11 doesnt pan out as a career. They happen to be the same Washington Insiders that the Ds quote everyday. Newsweak has used them in the past as well.

    I guess the real question is, why cant dean raise as much as the Republicans?? Cause he doesnt have the support of the Clintons. Wont be around long to hafta worry about that one though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    You're a laugh a minute. Save some for Vegas. I mean just incase 7-11 doesnt pan out as a career. They happen to be the same Washington Insiders that the Ds quote everyday. Newsweak has used them in the past as well.

    I guess the real question is, why cant dean raise as much as the Republicans?? Cause he doesnt have the support of the Clintons. Wont be around long to hafta worry about that one though.
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    #151  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Or the Businessweek report that "big donors are sitting on their wallets."

    Or my favorite, "Another problem for Dean is the Clintons. They control the Democrat money machine - and they absolutely despise Dean."

    What's unfortunate is that you dont seem to have an opinion of your own. You use all these bogus blogger statements and pass them off as fact rather then "someone elses" opinion.
    And another thing about this Business Week article I really like who they chose to do an interview with. This guy claims to be a democratic fund raiser, except he donates more money to the Repubs than he does Democrats as of 2004. Hmmm.
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    #152  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    You're a laugh a minute. Save some for Vegas. I mean just incase 7-11 doesnt pan out as a career. They happen to be the same Washington Insiders that the Ds quote everyday. Newsweak has used them in the past as well.

    I guess the real question is, why cant dean raise as much as the Republicans?? Cause he doesnt have the support of the Clintons. Wont be around long to hafta worry about that one though.
    You have to watch those personal attacks Claire, haven't you been rebuked for this before?

    By the way do you own 2 diagnostic imaging centers with 43 employees? Do you own a magazine? I am going venture and say NO you don't. You are still in school am I correct? Watch who you throw insults at.
    Off Rant

    I think if we look at this in a different way it might help. Yes the Democrats are lagging in fund raising compared to Repubs. But you have to remember it is an off year and the Repubs won the last election. Also Dean thinks he can get by without big business and maybe he is right, or maybe he is not, only time will tell us. This would explain the disparity to some degree don't you think. So yes I agree with you the Dems are lagging compared to the Repubs, but this not what you stated earlier. You stated that Dean is not raising cash the way he should be and I point out that he has done a better job raising money in an off-year than any previous chair. So maybe we are both right if what you truly meant was Dean is lagging compared to Mehlman.
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  13. #153  
    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    You have to watch those personal attack Claire, haven't you been rebuked for this before?

    By the way do you own 2 diagnostic imaging centers with 43 employees? Do you own a magazine? I am going venture and say NO you don't. You are still in school am I correct? Watch who you throw insults at.
    Off Rant
    So, only if we meet these criteria we are able to opine? Wow...awful elitist attitude you're showing.

    What does this have to do with anyone? You're acting as immature as you're portraying her to be by spewing this nonsense.

    I'll shut up now since I don't own any diagnostic imaging centers...
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    #154  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    So, only if we meet these criteria we are able to opine? Wow...awful elitist attitude you're showing.

    What does this have to do with anyone? You're acting as immature as you're portraying her to be by spewing this nonsense.

    I'll shut up now since I don't own any diagnostic imaging centers...
    Insertion you know or would hope you know I was refering to Claire's quipe about if "7-11 doesnt pan out as a career". You are free to o-pine as much as you want it has nothing to do about careers.
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    wow this thread is steamier than a hot tub!

    here's a question for all of you:
    Is there a correlation between the money raised by a candidate and his/her chances of winning that election?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chillig35
    wow this thread is steamier than a hot tub!

    here's a question for all of you:
    Is there a correlation between the money raised by a candidate and his/her chances of winning that election?
    tricky question......if you ask the Dems, they'll say of course it does, surely you realize the last 2 Presidential elections were "bought" and the GOP raised move money so therefore the answer to your question is yes.

    And if you ask the Repubs, they'll say of course there is - just go to Chicago any time there is an election.
  17. #157  
    true - there is a correlation, but believe it or not - there is rarely any causal relationship.

    Candidates who appeal to voters are able to successfully raise money - however money does not necessarily lead to victory. The political landscape is littered with examples of rich candidates who tried to "buy" elections by spending large amounts of money (including the presidential hopeful Ross Perot)

    The point is ....
    Regardless of all the controversy about Dean, if the people do not find him appealing, then he cannot win, regardless of the DNC fund raising machinery.
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  18. #158  
    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Insertion you know or would hope you know I was refering to Claire's quipe about if "7-11 doesnt pan out as a career". You are free to o-pine as much as you want it has nothing to do about careers.
    Ya but it was the way you responded. Like owning diagnostic imaging centers with 43 employees and a magazine is really a big deal. Who cares. Doesn't make your opinion any more credible than the student (claire) or the insurance agency owner (me) or anyone else (insertion, because I dont know what he does).

    You could have easily said " I don't work at 7/11". Thats a lot less snotty than
    By the way do you own 2 diagnostic imaging centers with 43 employees? Do you own a magazine? I am going venture and say NO you don't. You are still in school am I correct? Watch who you throw insults at.
    Watch who you throw insults at. What are you gonna do run her through an MRI and the publish an article about her experience in the magazine? Lighten up dude.
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    ok another question (this one on campaign finance reform)

    What is your guess about the total amount of campaign money spent last year on all elections - Presidential, Senate and House races?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chillig35
    What is your guess about the total amount of campaign money spent last year on all elections - Presidential, Senate and House races?
    2 freakin' much
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