1.  05/09/2005, 11:19 AM Originally Posted by treo2die4 Keep in mind, these are gross numbers - they are not equated to contraction per catagory as it relates to total percent of population. I looked for a good answer to the question of what percent of the US population is homosexual and found the estimate to be 3 - 6% with just over 1/2 of that being male. Assuming an estimated population of 295 million, that would mean (if the estimate of 6% of the population were gay men) there are approximately 17.7 million gay men in the US. (Note I am showing the full 6% as if it were gay men in order to look at a best/worst case scenario). Conversly, in 2000 there were 138 million males in total. If you look at the male population that is 21 and over, there were a total of approximately 95 million males. Removing the 17.7 million males who are gay leaves 77.3 million hetrosexual males. So, Gay men total population: 17.7 million HIV contractions in 2003: 17,969 HIV contractions through 2003: 440,887 Straight men total population; 77.3 million HIV contractions in 2003: 5,133 HIV contractions thorugh 2003: 56,903 In order for straight men to contract HIV at the same rate as gay men, you would have to see a total number of straight men contractions in 2003 at 78,474 - a 15.3 fold difference. That would argue there is a meaningful statistical difference between these 2 groups. I have a hard time seeing how anyone could not consider gay men a high risk catagory given the numbers. Your calculations are interesting, but you use the wrong data. The numbers you picked are from the table showing new cases of AIDS. That is totally different from new (ot total) cases of HIV infection, because outbreak of AIDS after HIV infection takes several years and is mostly depressed or delayed by medication in the US. If you are infected, your blood or sperm can infect others, too, wheter you have got AIDS (the onset of immunodeficiency symtpoms) already or not is not that important. See my post above where I linked the CDC data on total HIV infection rates, or the same link here: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats/2003Sur...ort/table8.htm Last edited by clulup; 05/09/2005 at 11:25 AM. “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” (Philip K. ****)
2.  05/09/2005, 11:36 AM Originally Posted by clulup Your calculations are interesting, but you use the wrong data. The numbers you picked are from the table showing new cases of AIDS. That is totally different from new (ot total) cases of HIV infection, because outbreak of AIDS after HIV infection takes several years and is mostly depressed or delayed by medication in the US. If you are infected, your blood or sperm can infect others, too, wheter you have got AIDS (the onset of immunodeficiency symtpoms) already or not is not that important. See my post above where I linked the CDC data on total HIV infection rates. I did realize this - was using the previous posters data to ensure a reasonable look at the statistics. Thanks for the other data, interestingly, the analysis yields the same basic results. HIV infections Male-to-male contact 160,433 Hetero contact 34,124 In order for hetro contact to equal the contraction rate of male-to-male contractn, hetero contact would have to be at 700,648 cases, a 20.5 fold increase. I did exit my previous post to correct HIV to AIDS. Last edited by treo2die4; 05/09/2005 at 11:56 AM.
3.  05/09/2005, 11:53 AM All of this says that the regulation is definately justified and necessary! Far cry from gay bashing
4.  05/09/2005, 02:17 PM Originally Posted by sxtg All of this says that the regulation is definately justified and necessary! Far cry from gay bashing No, you're wrong...forget the 2,000% increase in HIV cases...if you're doing ANYTHING that restricts homosexuals....you're a close-minded gay basher!
5.  05/09/2005, 03:01 PM A series of questions worth exploring: 1. Is sperm donation a right of every american male? 2. If my wife and I sought a donor, a) would it be ok for us to state that we would prefer an African-American donor, in the hopes of the birth of a child that more closely resembled our own appearance? b) Would it be ok for us to request the sperm of a non-smoker c) Would it be ok to request that the donor not be very religious? d) Are there any characteristics/traits/behaviors that we should not be allowed to filter against?