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    I was emailed this and wanted to hear your thoughts on it.
    TIA


    If you haven't seen this, Please take time to read, and understand it.If you have seen it, please take time to read it again.This is what's happening to our great country.


    Subject: Fwd: FW: A Frightening Analysis


    We all know **** Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and lea! ders. A brilliant college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal - was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

    Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United State s. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history' would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

    "Here is how they do it," Lamm said: First to destroy America, "Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

    "The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided.

    Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

    Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

    Third, "We could make the United State s an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethno - centrically and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'"

    Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

    "Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

    "My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance indu! stry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."


    "My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to over come two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- >From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

    "Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate."

    "Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

    In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be dest - royed, don't read that book."

    There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United State s today. Every discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.'

    American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

    Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.
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    Why can I not google any info on this in either google news or google web???

    All I get are a handful of right-wing sites in results.

    I would suggest this is bogus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Why can I not google any info on this in either google news or google web???

    All I get are a handful of right-wing sites in results.

    I would suggest this is bogus.
    I know nothing of the validity. However, valid conference or not, the theory is what it is. That is what I was looking for thoughts on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxtg
    I know nothing of the validity. However, valid conference or not, the theory is what it is. That is what I was looking for thoughts on.
    But you are posting that **** Lamm said these things and I cannot find evidence that he did. If it is false, it is wrong to spread it.
  5.    #5  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    But you are posting that **** Lamm said these things and I cannot find evidence that he did. If it is false, it is wrong to spread it.
    As my post says I was emailed this. I really don't care who said it or if it was said at all! I just found the info itself interesting and wanted to hear thoughts on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxtg
    As my post says I was emailed this. I really don't care who said it or if it was said at all! I just found the info itself interesting and wanted to hear thoughts on it.
    Perhaps eliminating the reference to **** Lamm and posing the same question would allow DA to get past this part and discuss your question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxtg
    As my post says I was emailed this. I really don't care who said it or if it was said at all! I just found the info itself interesting and wanted to hear thoughts on it.
    That's pretty irresponsible to post a false and slanderous email and not care. I understand there are concepts in that content you want feedback and debate on but nearly ALL of it is apparently false quotes attributed to someone. In fact, I think if you look up that book Mexifornia, you'll find most of the content is from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treo2die4
    Perhaps eliminating the reference to **** Lamm and posing the same question would allow DA to get past this part and discuss your question?
    I expected him to find a minor issue to dismiss the entire thing. I just didn't expect it to be such an irrelevant part of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    That's pretty irresponsible...<snip>
    Call me crazy
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxtg
    I expected him to find a minor issue to dismiss the entire thing. I just didn't expect it to be such an irrelevant part of it.
    I hardly find that minor. Would you want to see a bunch of quotes attributed to Bush or the LintBall that were so OPPOSITE their record.

    And I gave you the source of that material. Don't be so lazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    I hardly find that minor. Would you want to see a bunch of quotes attributed to Bush or the LintBall that were so OPPOSITE their record.

    And I gave you the source of that material. Don't be so lazy.
    Look... I don't even know who the dude is, and I don't care who he is! I didn't post this to bash or slander him. I simply wanted comments on the idea.
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    Okay, I'll start

    It has been my considered opinion for some time that the movement toward the needs of the one over the needs of the many has caused tremendous ripples in the fabric of our society.

    On the basis of our progress toward protecting the one to the detrement of the many, I tend to agree with several of the items listed.

    In particular, for me, it starts with the multi-language debate. I am, to this day, not convinced the not requiring immigrants to learn and use the English language is a good thing.

    I am also of the opinion that identifying groups as Hispanic, German, Polish, etc. is not as embracing as identifying all as Americans. Seems to me we foster more discrimination buy segmenting our citizens.

    Further, the preference of the one in my view has contributed greatly to the "it's not my fault" mentality so prevanent today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    I hardly find that minor. Would you want to see a bunch of quotes attributed to Bush or the LintBall that were so OPPOSITE their record.

    And I gave you the source of that material. Don't be so lazy.
    OK. Lets say its not minor. It is however, irrelevant!
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    Da,
    I genuinely wanted your opinion on the effects the points made have to society. If you cant think of anything to counter them- Its Ok.
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    **** Lamm? Does he sport a little rectangular mustache above his upper lip and use too much pomade? I think I've heard of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chick-Dance
    Before I offer my 2-worth of paraphernalia-thinking, I have several questions. Call it 'clarification' if you will:
    1. What's a country?
    2. What is precisely "The American Dream?"
    3. What's "an immigration-overpopulation"? (Consider the size and scope of the U.S. in answering.)
    4. If someone can convince you not to read a book, what does it tell you about that person?
    5. Who sent you the email? (I don't want to know! I really don't. This is a question for YOU to analyze and ponder on: Does that person(s) have his/her own agenda and a monkey to get off his/her back? Does that person know that there's a good chance, as DA mentioned, that this very email could have been fabricated? Did he/she fabricate it?)
    I promise to respond specifically to that email laterz
    1.) In this case America
    2.) I think its refering to being able to provide a high standard of living for oneself and/or family ie. Home ownership (or at least the option of it), food on the table, clothing, happiness, etc...
    3.) Surely you know what immigration is. Overpopulation would then suggest too much.
    4.) The person that sent it to me is under no dillusions that I might need to be enlightened on this situation. I never implied any validity to the event or the spokesman etc.. I simply want some feedback on the content.

    I really hope you do reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treosome
    **** Lamm? Does he sport a little rectangular mustache above his upper lip and use too much pomade? I think I've heard of him.
    Sounds like you're a direct product of the above mentioned environment.
    Its just too taboo to discuss objectively- Isn't it?
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    America is the great melting pot, Canada has always been touted as the cultural mosaic. It doesn't matter, we're both nations of immigrants, both our aboriginal populations are insignificant. My thoughts on the issues raised:
    - Whether or not you "require" people to learn english, they will, if not in the first generation then certainly by the second.
    - We can't limit immigration, North American birth rates are not enough to satisfy our need for labour to maintain our standard of living.
    - Xenophobia and racism goes further to create divisions and tensions than allowing or even encouraging people to preserve their languange and culture, it will make them better citizens and more comfortable in assimilating over a couple of generations (as they most certainly will, over time).
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    I think nationalism has done more to bring down nations than diversity. Just my opinion.

    What next dictatorship?
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    Quote Originally Posted by treosome
    What next dictatorship?
    There is validity in preserving ones way of life, even if its at the expense of transplanted values. This is NOT dictatorship. A dictatorship doesn't allow freedom. How many Jewish people migrated to Germany during this dictatorship you are so stuck on? I hope you are seing the difference.
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