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  1.    #61  
    Quote Originally Posted by Chick-Dance
    “Modern” liberalism? OK. But (modern) liberal = socialist? No. I can live with the prefix “modern” even though I squirm when I hear it, but being a socialist who embraces capitalism that’s hard to swallow.

    Fiscally conservative is a term I use for managing our money carefully, frugally and without a great deal of risk. Playing it safe. Focusing on necessities and not luxuries while maximizing dollar value. The goal is to make our hard-earned tax dollars go as far as they can.
    "Real fiscal conservatives are supposed to support balanced budgets, not deep deficits." ~ The Centrist Policy Network.
    Managing "our" money carefully...can you detect the irony in that sentence?

    What do you see as necessities? How would you "play it safe"?

    I do support a balanced budget, but I suspect you would disagree with the way I'd get us there. Right now we've got both sides spending liken drunken sailors, but as Reagan said, "At least drunken sailors spend their own money".
  2.    #62  
    Quote Originally Posted by Chick-Dance
    And readers TOO!
    Absolutely.
  3. #63  
    Quote Originally Posted by Chick-Dance
    Fiscally conservative is a term I use for managing our money carefully, frugally and without a great deal of risk.
    Chick-Dance, you know I really hate to disagree with you, but this definition cannot be true.

    After all: Under Bush, Federal Spending Increases at Fastest Rate in 30 Years (and this does not even include "defense" spending) - or wait, maybe Bush is in fact a conservative socialist?
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  4. #64  
    All these posts point to a clear problem...not everyone fits under the neat little definition of the label for liberal and conservative.

    Maybe thats a good thing...we can feel one way about one particlar issue and feel differently on another.
  5.    #65  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Chick-Dance, you know I really hate to disagree with you, but this definition cannot be true.

    After all: Under Bush, Federal Spending Increases at Fastest Rate in 30 Years (and this does not even include "defense" spending) - or wait, maybe Bush is in fact a conservative socialist?
    There is no doubt that W has spent way too much money..."No Child Left Behind" when the federal indoctrination, errr, education department should be disestablished. The prescription drug benefit is another boondoggle. W has done a lot of things that have really torqued me. (When he signed the campaign finance "reform" bill into law I took his sticker off my SUV. He moved from having my unqualified support to having my qualified support.)

    In the defense arena, he did have to spend a lot in order to recover from Clinton's neglect of the DOD. The same with the intelligence community. To reduce our ability to respond to attack and at the same time reduce our ability to detect an attack was short sighted incompetence. (And thank you, Jamie Gorelick for the firewall.)
  6. #66  
    Quote Originally Posted by t2gungho
    All these posts point to a clear problem...not everyone fits under the neat little definition of the label for liberal and conservative.

    Maybe thats a good thing...we can feel one way about one particlar issue and feel differently on another.
    I am having an identity crisis!
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  7.    #67  
    Quote Originally Posted by Chick-Dance
    Now, back to my first point about all this: The NYT and LAT are not "commies" nor they are socialists. They are, at best, liberal. The WSJ is a conservative newspaper, so what does that mean?

    Uh, it means that you have DA sydrome, i.e. you don't want to take a stand and answer my question.
  8. #68  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Uh, it means that you have DA sydrome, i.e. you don't want to take a stand and answer my question.
    Its somehow more tolerable from her though....Huh?
  9.    #69  
    Quote Originally Posted by sxtg
    Its somehow more tolerable from her though....Huh?
    Not really, no.
  10. #70  
    yikes...the tension in this thread is getting thick
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  11. #71  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    yikes...the tension in this thread is getting thick
    No kiddin! I personally find it tough to for Chickie to come off as offensive
  12.    #72  
    I'm not offended by their unwillingness to respond to direct questions, but it does tend to validate my opinion of the Left.
  13. #73  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    I'm not offended by their unwillingness to respond to direct questions, but it does tend to validate my opinion of the Left.
    I hear ya, but at least she's cute
  14. #74  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    I'm not offended by their unwillingness to respond to direct questions, but it does tend to validate my opinion of the Left.
    What was your question again? Something like convince me why you are not a socialist commie?
  15.    #75  
    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    What was your question again? Something like convince me why you are not a socialist commie?
    No, not hardly. I asked DA why is it when one particular group wins control of the government through the democratic process it is a beautiful thing, but if another group does it some how the nation is about to be torn asunder.

    I asked Chick how she would balance the budget and spend "our" money responsibly.

    I saved the socialist commie question for you
  16. #76  
    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    What was your question again? Something like convince me why you are not a socialist commie?
    I never meant to imply that she was or wasn't. I simply said that either way is strangely tolerable
  17. #77  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    I saved the socialist commie question for you
    Damn, thats what I get for missing the flow of the conversation!
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    #78  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Another great take down of the LAT. Except for the Gelertner Op-Eds, why would anyone read that commie rag?

    http://patterico.com/2005/04/30/2934...g-us-position/
    Did you notice that they failed to mention that the original Reuters article was 600+ words and the LAT article, while attributed to them, was only 300+ words? I'd think that when you try to edit an article to half its original length something's gotta give, and an account of the speed of the vehicle based on evidence clearly obtained from a party to the dispute might be a likely candidate for excision.
  19. #79  
    Sorry if I, too, return to the topic of this thread...

    The story about the satellite speed measurement does not hold water. The question how fast the Italian car was at the checkpoint is probably the most important and controversial point in the whole dispute. An independent measurement, e.g from a satellite, a drone, or whatever, showing that the car indeed was speeding, would never have been left out in the official US report about the incident, if indeed it existed.

    I think it is fair to assume that the satellite story is bogus. So, ironically, the LA Times was right to leave it out.

    It is still possible that the car was speeding, and I am not saying it was wrong to open fire in that situation.

    EDIT: I forgot to ask specifically, but I will now, knowing 1911sforever likes questions and answers:

    - Do you believe those satellite data exist, and that they reliably show that the car was driving at high speed?
    - If yes, why was this crucial information omitted in the official report, both in the public version, as well as the classified one which was accidentally published (blacked-out sections visible when pdf text copied into Word document)?
    Last edited by clulup; 05/03/2005 at 08:12 AM.
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  20. #80  
    Quote Originally Posted by sxtg
    I hear ya, but at least she's cute
    Well, how do you know? My theory is 95% of all "females" who hang out online are really 50 year old fat bald (aside from the plethora of hairs on their back and chest) men, sitting nude, (or in a pair of Speedo's) in front of a computer.

    Personally, I prefer Chick as an Ostrich.
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