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    On the same topic, a post on SlashDot pointed out that the official report on the incident by the U.S. gov't released last week was a .pdf with hidden text which would display if copies and pasted into Word.

    http://www.corriere.it/Media/Documenti/Unclassified.doc .
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    #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    On the same topic, a post on SlashDot pointed out that the official report on the incident by the U.S. gov't released last week was a .pdf with hidden text which would display if copies and pasted into Word.

    http://www.corriere.it/Media/Documenti/Unclassified.doc .
    Link broken. Scrubbed?
  3. #23  
    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Link broken. Scrubbed?
    No, the link just was posted wrong. It should be this: http://www.corriere.it/Media/Documenti/Unclassified.doc

    If you mouse over the link that DA posted, it was just created wrong.
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    1911 I appreciate your comments its just that the far right is always squealing that anyone except Fox news and Rush Limbaugh is commie and I find it misguided, especially when we have very real communist threats out there, that are not being addresed. Anyway N Korea may be a sick old man, but it has the potential to go out with a very big bang, not a wimper. This policy we have right now with them, we hate you but don't have time to deal with you, is exactly what is causing them to hustle up their nuclear program, Iran, too.
    Last edited by cellmatrix; 05/02/2005 at 07:50 AM.
  5. #25  
    Pssst....Cell, you forgot to include Sean Hannity
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  6. #26  
    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    By ELI STEPHENS

    It was reported a few days ago:

    "U.S. soldiers reportedly have been cleared of wrongdoing in the shooting of an Italian journalist and an intelligence agent last month in Baghdad.

    "The car was about 130 yards from a checkpoint when the soldiers flashed their lights to get it to stop. They fired warning shots when the car was within 90 yards of the checkpoint, but at 65 yards, they used deadly force. Calipari was killed and Sgrena wounded."

    Sgrena has told CBS that the car she was in was going 30 mph. At 30 mph, a car is going 15 yards per second. So, according to the U.S. military, they fired warning shots within 2.7 seconds of flashing a warning light, and used "deadly force" 2.3 seconds after that. And actually, if the U.S. military story were true and the car were really travelling at "high speed", let's be generous and call that only 45 mph, that's 22 yards per second, meaning 1.8 seconds between warning lights and warning shots, and 1.6 seconds between warning shots and deadly shots.

    Now, there are variables, but typical perception plus reaction times are of the order of 1.5 seconds, that is, the time it takes to perceive a problem (such as a warning signal) and move your foot to the brake. That means that, according to the military's story, shots were fired at the vehicle less than 0.3 seconds after the vehicle could possibly have begun to slow down, even if they were paying close attention and they had immediately perceived that the alleged flashing light was meant as a signal to stop.

    However that 0.3 second is actually overstated, because the gunman (or gunmen), attempting to perceive if the car was responding to their warning signal to slow down, have perception and reaction times of their own, so in fact, they were pulling the trigger before they could possibly have perceived if the car were slowing down. And likewise, if the so-called warning shots were supposed to have served any purpose whatsoever, once again the "deadly force" shots were being squeezed off well before the warning shots could possibly have had any effect.

    And on that basis, the military has "exonerated itself" from any wrongdoing.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/stephens04182005.html
    One key thing these calculations leave out is that an intelligence agent of all people should be aware of the environment in which the the soldiers are operating. I would think anyone driving in that environment would approach with extreme caution. Further, I would think that there would even be coordination, i.e. advance notice of the intended arrival.

    I am not offering this as justification, if improper actions were taken. However, I suspect if I were one of the soldiers at the check point, I would be more willing to risk on the side of deadly force against the unidentified approaching vehicle, rather than the lives of my fellow soldiers.
  7.    #27  
    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    1911 I appreciate your comments its just that the far right is always squealing that anyone except Fox news and Rush Limbaugh is commie and I find it misguided, especially when we have very real communist threats out there, that are not being addresed. Anyway N Korea may be a sick old man, but it has the potential to go out with a very big bang, not a wimper. This policy we have right now with them, we hate you but don't have time to deal with you, is exactly what is causing them to hustle up their nuclear program, Iran, too.
    To be more accurate, I should state that most of the mainstream media is socialist, but it has been argured that socialism is the human face of communism.

    What woud you have us do...appease the dictator with promises of nuclear techology? That's been done. We're redeploying the 2nd Infantry Division south of the DMZ.
  8. #28  
    Socialism is to seduction what Communism is to rape.
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  9. #29  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    To be more accurate, I should state that most of the mainstream media is socialist, but it has been argured that socialism is the human face of communism.

    What woud you have us do...appease the dictator with promises of nuclear techology? That's been done. We're redeploying the 2nd Infantry Division south of the DMZ.
    Regime transformation, not regime change in N. Korea is our best hope and that can only be implemented with a concentrated, coordinated diplomatic and economic engagement. A Libyan style solution is impossible given the present U.S. strategy of not engaging North Korea.
    Last edited by cellmatrix; 05/02/2005 at 10:55 AM.
  10.    #30  
    Again, how would you have us "engage" them? With more concessions? That, in the face of their history of flouting treaties? Are you advocating more appeasment? What would you offer them in return for ????
  11. #31  
    We play the used car salesman nonstop with KJI, what will it take to have you play ball with us...... No weapons, no nuclear carrots, but short of that, we can help you save your people and make you appear heroic doing it. And we need to continually reinforce the consequences of not doing this privately face to face, not indirectly through public press releases which only serves to further infuriate him.
  12. #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by t2gungho
    No, the link just was posted wrong. It should be this: http://www.corriere.it/Media/Documenti/Unclassified.doc

    If you mouse over the link that DA posted, it was just created wrong.
    Thanks. Noticed that when i posted but figured the board backend didn't like .doc links. Thanks for posting properly.
  13. #33  
    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    We play the used car salesman nonstop with KJI, what will it take to have you play ball with us...... No weapons, no nuclear carrots, but short of that, we can help you save your people and make you appear heroic doing it. And we need to continually reinforce the consequences of not doing this privately face to face, not indirectly through public press releases which only serves to further infuriate him.
    You say the current Administration is doing nothing about this, yet how do you know what behind-the-scenes actions are or aren't taking place?
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  14. #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    You say the current Administration is doing nothing about this, yet how do you know what behind-the-scenes actions are or aren't taking place?
    because they are Republicans Damnit!!11ONE111!!!
  15. #35  
    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    1911 I appreciate your comments its just that the far right is always squealing that anyone except Fox news and Rush Limbaugh is commie and I find it misguided, especially when we have very real communist threats out there, that are not being addresed. Anyway N Korea may be a sick old man, but it has the potential to go out with a very big bang, not a wimper. This policy we have right now with them, we hate you but don't have time to deal with you, is exactly what is causing them to hustle up their nuclear program, Iran, too.
    Yea, like china. Whom we all give money to as we buy their cheap products made with prison labor of those arrested for using google
  16. #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    On the same topic, a post on SlashDot pointed out that the official report on the incident by the U.S. gov't released last week was a .pdf with hidden text which would display if copies and pasted into Word.

    http://www.corriere.it/Media/Documenti/Unclassified.doc .
    As far as I could see, the official report does not mention those highly interesting satellite measurments of the car's speed. Strange, why not, any ideas? Maybe the information about the satellite is not correct?

    Don't get me wrong though, the LA Tims was almost certainly wrong omitting that information from the Reuters report (unless they knew the information was false).
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  17. #37  
    Quote Originally Posted by sxtg
    because they are Republicans Damnit!!11ONE111!!!
    Ahhhh....well that would seem to be mean spirited then, a subject the Right was supposed have the monopoly on.
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  18. #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    You say the current Administration is doing nothing about this, yet how do you know what behind-the-scenes actions are or aren't taking place?
    Well maybe ..........while he is publicly calling Jon Il a "pygmy" " and hurling stuff like "axis of evil" and "I loathe Kim Jong Il", W is chuckling with Kim Jong privately and saying, that was a good one huh, we sure are fooling them aren't we?........but I have my doubts.

    Lets say I would be pleasantly surprised if there was any diplomacy at all going on behind the public rhetorical tirades.
  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Yea, like china. Whom we all give money to as we buy their cheap products made with prison labor of those arrested for using google
    My iPod was assembled in China. Seems so were parts of my Treo. Is nothing sacred anymore?

    Why are American products made in China, but when I order Chinese food, it's made in America??
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  20. #40  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    To be more accurate, I should state that most of the mainstream media is socialist, but it has been argured that socialism is the human face of communism.
    That is about as intelligent as saying Conservatism is the human face of Fascism... (Don't get me wrong, though, I don't vote socialist )
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