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  1. #61  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Delay is under attack by the Dem/media cabal. He has done nothing but behave in the status quo manner we have unfortunately come to accept from our elected representatives. (Turns out that Bernie Sanders, Socialist, VT, used campaign funds to pay his family members. Somehow that doesn't make page one of the WaPo, though. Funded junkets for staff? Nancy Pelosi people got some free rides. And how about Linda Daschle's stellar work as a lobbyist for the aircraft industry? They're still putting people in jail for the tanker lease deal she was working on.)

    If we throw Delay under the bus, the same way we did Lott, they'll just call it a victory and move on to their next target.

    Which isn't to say that I am SICK and TIRED of these people acting in this manner. It may be legal and meet their twisted view of ethics, but it don't play in Peoria. Sometimes I'd rather that 535 names be pulled out of a hat to fill congress.
    The system is corrupt. As long as political leaders can accept money from private interests, they will not always put the interests of their voters first. John McCain saw that and he was right. All of us get what we deserve until we realize that the most important issue facing the country is campaign finance reform, not Iraq, not education, and so on. All of our country's bad decisions at home and abroad stem from a corrupt political process that needs to be changed at a Constitutional and grass-roots level IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Delay is under attack by the Dem/media cabal. He has done nothing but behave in the status quo manner we have unfortunately come to accept from our elected representatives. (Turns out that Bernie Sanders, Socialist, VT, used campaign funds to pay his family members. Somehow that doesn't make page one of the WaPo, though. Funded junkets for staff? Nancy Pelosi people got some free rides. And how about Linda Daschle's stellar work as a lobbyist for the aircraft industry? They're still putting people in jail for the tanker lease deal she was working on.)

    If we throw Delay under the bus, the same way we did Lott, they'll just call it a victory and move on to their next target.

    Which isn't to say that I am SICK and TIRED of these people acting in this manner. It may be legal and meet their twisted view of ethics, but it don't play in Peoria. Sometimes I'd rather that 535 names be pulled out of a hat to fill congress.
    Honestly, I'm hard pressed to see a difference between Republicans and Democrats other than the rhetorical name calling. Once in office, both parties tend to do the same kinds of policies. For example, how is Clinton's use of the military in Bosnia for nation building any difference than Bush's use of the same force for nation building in Iraq. We must all stop falling for hateful rhetoric these parties use to motivate us to vote. Maybe then we would have better choices for president than saps like Bush, Gore, and so on. I know in a country of 280 million we can do better than the current crop of political leaders. We need to get rid of professional politicians. They are messing up our country, don't you think?
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  3. #63  
    The difference is in the way the media treats the different parties. Compare and contrast, for instance, what is being written about Delay vs what Sandy Berger got away with.

    Here's a good article: http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=7143
  4. #64  
    The nation started going to hell when one group of people realized they could vote wealth from another group. That gave rise to professional politicans, whose success is tied to how much of someone else's money they can bring back to the district.

    Read PJ O'Rourke's "Parliament of Whores". It was published back when he was funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    The difference is in the way the media treats the different parties. Compare and contrast, for instance, what is being written about Delay vs what Sandy Berger got away with.

    Here's a good article: http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=7143
    April 05, 2005
    Berger Donates Underpants, Socks to Smithsonian
    "WASHINGTON, DC --- Sandy Berger announced today that he will donate his underpants and socks to the Smithsonian Institute in Washington, DC to commemorate his theft of top-secret documents. The announcement comes just days after Berger had his wrist slapped for the incident.


    "I think the world deserves a chance to see my underpants and socks that were used in this great caper," said Berger. "I am not a crook. I did what any Clinton Administration person would have done. And contrary to rumors, those are just ink stains in my underpants from the documents I smuggled out. Seriously."


    The socks and underpants will be on display for the next three years at the Smithsonian. Mr. Berger is still undecided on whether or not he will donate the scissors he used to destroy some of those secret documents once he got them to his office."
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    Quote Originally Posted by holminator
    The system is corrupt. As long as political leaders can accept money from private interests, they will not always put the interests of their voters first. John McCain saw that and he was right. All of us get what we deserve until we realize that the most important issue facing the country is campaign finance reform, not Iraq, not education, and so on. All of our country's bad decisions at home and abroad stem from a corrupt political process that needs to be changed at a Constitutional and grass-roots level IMHO.
    Can I get an amen! Right on dude.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joebar
    Can I get an amen! Right on dude.
    Amen! Right on dude!
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    WASHINGTON (CBS) There was fresh criticism Tuesday of embattled House Majority Leader Tom DeLay from a prominent member of his own party. In an exclusive interview with CBS News Correspondent Gloria Borger, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said it's time for DeLay to stop blaming a left-wing conspiracy for his ethics controversy and to lay out his case for the American people to judge.

    "I don’t want to prejudge him and my hope is that Tom will be able to prove his case," said Gingrich, who engineered the Republican takeover of the House in 1994. "But I think the burden is on him to prove it at this point."

    Is he doing that? "I don’t know yet. I think the jury's out," said Gingrich.

    "DeLay's problem isn’t with the Democrats; DeLay's problem is with the country," Gingrich continued. "And so DeLay has a challenge: to lay out a case that the country comes to believe, that the country decides is legitimate. If he does that he's fine."

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    10 Ex-G.O.P. Lawmakers Attack Changes in Ethics Rules

    By PHILIP SHENON and SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

    Published: April 15, 2005

    WASHINGTON, April 14 - Ten former members of Congress, all Republicans, joined in a letter to the House leadership on Thursday to say they believed that revisions in House ethics rules this year were an "obvious action to protect Majority Leader Tom DeLay" from investigation. They said the changes needed to be reversed "to restore public confidence in the People's House."

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    The letter may be another blow to Mr. DeLay, who is under investigation by a grand jury in his home state, Texas, and is facing growing calls from fellow Republicans to answer accusations involving his financial ties to lobbyists and his management of his political and campaign committees.

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    The letter was not the only development Thursday with possible implications for the majority leader. Representative George Miller, Democrat of California, asked the House Resources Committee to examine the work of Jack Abramoff, a longtime lobbyist friend of Mr. DeLay, in representing the government of the Northern Mariana Islands, an American commonwealth in the Pacific.

    In 1995, Mr. Abramoff, with Mr. DeLay's help, persuaded the House to defeat a bill that would have stripped the Marianas of their exemption from federal minimum wage and immigration laws. From 1996 to 1998, Mr. Miller said, more than 85 members of Congress and Congressional aides, including Mr. DeLay, traveled to the Marianas; Mr. Miller and others have cited news reports suggesting that lobbyists may have paid for the trips, a possible violation of House rules.
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/15/politics/15delay.html
  10. #70  
    I read the other day that Delay has been admonished by the ethics committee more than any other member (4 times?). I don't care if he's a Rep or Dem...its time to pay the piper. He just apologized for his comments regarding the judges involed in the Shiavo case...sooner or later he will have to address these alegations as well.
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    DeLay steadily loses any shot at becoming speaker of House


    April 13, 2005

    BY LYNN SWEET WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF

    The drip, drip, drip of negative stories about House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) have already accomplished one thing -- dashing the likelihood DeLay had of succeeding House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.).

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    Until the latest ethics controversies and other flaps, DeLay always considered becoming speaker one day a doable goal. In 1998 when the opening for speaker suddenly developed, DeLay threw his crucial support behind Hastert. It wasn't entirely selfless; it would have been impossible then for DeLay, nicknamed "the Hammer,'' to secure the near-unanimous GOP backing he needed to win.

    http://www.suntimes.com/output/sweet...ws-lynn13.html
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    Even if all this wasnt happening to DeLay, he could not win the Speaker of the House post...he is way too polarizing (but for the most part, he keeps the Reps in line..and that is why he is valuable to them.)
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    Not only does he keep the Repubs in line, he does a fine job of smashing the Dems. That is his real crime, and why they've unleashed the sleaze machine on him.
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    #74  
    GOP fears it's losing Frist v. Reid

    Senate Republican leaders were due to meet last night amid rising concern that they are being beaten on the “nuclear option” by Sen. Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) public-relations war room. The GOP’s talks follow a meeting last week in which aides warned Bob Stevenson, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist’s (R-Tenn.) communications director, that something needs to be done to win back lost ground, a participant said.

    “I think there’s a realization that this particular effort has to be countered and they’re in full-scale attack mode,” a GOP aide said, adding, “I think that people know that we’ve got a serious problem here. “There’s been a lot of talk. Advice has been solicited from me and others. I’ve been told that a plan will be submitted tonight. It will be tweaked.”

    Soon after becoming leader, Reid hired several communication aides and created a rapid-response team akin to the one Bill Clinton pioneered during his triumphant 1992 presidential campaign. The team is headed by Jim Manley, whom Reid hired in December from the office of Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.). Stephanie Cutter, who was campaign spokeswoman for Sen. John Kerry’s (D-Mass.) presidential campaign, joined Reid’s team last week to coordinate outside liberal groups and Senate Democratic policy and communications staff in the fight over the nuclear option. Reid’s war room currently employs eight staff members and is part of a nearly 20-person communications team.

    Stevenson said last week’s GOP meeting was “a bull session” with “people I’ve talked to before.” They wanted to “focus on the agenda and what our strategy is,” he said, adding that concerns about being outperformed by Reid’s team were “not necessarily” voiced.
    He did not say whether Republicans would establish their own such team, noting that “having a war room inside the Capitol is unprecedented.” Nevertheless, he indicated that more aides would be drafted to the fight over the nuclear option. “We’ll promote whatever resources we need,” he said.

    http://thehill.com/thehill/export/Th...41405/gop.html
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    Losing ground? Repubs could be a minority by 2006, for all your gloating 1911 it seems your repubs have not been fairing too well the past few months
  15. #75  
    NRG, you're really taken this thread off topic, but I'll play.

    What we're seeing is the Dems strategy for 06 and beyond...which is to paint the Repubs as arrogant and corrupt. The fact that the R's are doing much the same thing the Donks did during their 40 year reign of error will be conveniently overlooked by the media, which is no surprise since the Dems OWN the mainstream media. The Repubs frankly haven't responded well to this line of attack...I think they're taken aback at the stunning hypocrisy of it all. We'll see if the blogosphere and Fox are able to put some counter-spin on what the Dems are selling.

    And as for gloating NRG, you'd be well advised not to believe your own press. I imagine you load up daily on NYT, WaPO, the Daily Kos, etc. You'd do well to step back a bit and take a look at what is happening at the state level.

    I don't know if we've lost that much ground during the last few months. With social security reform and impending tax reform, W has pushed some very big ideas that represent marked change. Change sparks controversy and resistance. It is the mark of a leader to take that risk and move his vision forward. I think you'll see a compromise on SS reform and movement away from the socialistic tax structure we have. Frist will use Bryd's tactics to break the filibuster. (And, by the way, I think Old Robert C. has hugged a tar baby by associating so closely with the extremely left wing MoveOn.Org. That will NOT play well back in WVA. I think the Democrats favorite Kleagle may have to start thinking about retirement.)

    Just the way you misread the stock market, you see a few months volatility as a trend. Surely you don't think the Evil Genius Karl Rove is sleeping through this, do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Not only does he keep the Repubs in line, he does a fine job of smashing the Dems. That is his real crime, and why they've unleashed the sleaze machine on him.
    "Not only does he keep the Repubs in line, he does a fine job of smashing the Dems." <---That may be true.

    "That is his real crime..." <---You dont get admonished by the House Ethics Committee unless you have done something wrong. I think its a mistatement to say that his 'smashing the Dems' is the only thing he has done wrong.
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    T2, when were you in the Corps?

    You'll not he was ADMONISHED for the appearance of improriety. Not sanctioned, like Barney Frank was for having his boyfriend running a call boy ring out of his house. Not indicted, like Rostenkowski was. Tom was throwing his weight around in an unseemly fashion. Imagine that...a congress critter acting like he has power. If had done something wrong, he would have been punished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    T2, when were you in the Corps?

    You'll not he was ADMONISHED for the appearance of improriety. Not sanctioned, like Barney Frank was for having his boyfriend running a call boy ring out of his house. Not indicted, like Rostenkowski was. Tom was throwing his weight around in an unseemly fashion. Imagine that...a congress critter acting like he has power. If had done something wrong, he would have been punished.
    So Delay is innocent?
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    “Bill Kristol, Kristol told The New Yorker. ‘The whole idea of the 'liberal media' was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures.’”

    Hmm what's this? Is this the head honcho saying there is no bias?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    T2, when were you in the Corps?

    You'll not he was ADMONISHED for the appearance of improriety. Not sanctioned, like Barney Frank was for having his boyfriend running a call boy ring out of his house. Not indicted, like Rostenkowski was. Tom was throwing his weight around in an unseemly fashion. Imagine that...a congress critter acting like he has power. If had done something wrong, he would have been punished.
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