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  1. #41  
    "Can I keep this for your next rant about Ted Kennedy? "

    -clulup

    lol.
  2. #42  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    <b>House Republican slams DeLay</b>

    Greenwich, CT, Apr. 10 (UPI) -- A prominent house Republican has described House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, as an "embarrassment" to the Republican Party.

    "He is an absolute embarrassment to me and to the Republican Party," said U.S. Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., at a Town Hall meeting in Greenwich, Conn.

    Shays was hosting a public forum on current issues and events at the Town Hall building, the Greenwich Time reported Sunday.

    "He knows that . . . if he ever runs for speaker, I get to vote on the House floor, and my 'No' vote combined with the Democrats means he will never be speaker," Shays said, drawing applause from the room. "One of the things I want to say here is that Tom DeLay will never be speaker in Congress."

    A grand jury in Texas has indicted two of DeLay's political associates on charges involving illegal campaign contributions, and a Senate committee and the Justice Department have been investigating whether lobbyists paid for trips and other gifts to influence the DeLay's legislation.

    "Do I think Tom DeLay will be the majority leader by the end of this term? No," Shays said. "I don't think Tom DeLay is going to survive."

    Chris Shays...notorous RINO who thinks that by appeasing the Dem/Media alligator he'll be eaten last.

    The bottom line is that they are going after Delay for doing business as usual in DC...which stinks enough as it is.
  3. #43  
    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    no obviously you are not, sorry if you got that impression.
    No problem CM. I can see...wait hang on...phone call coming in...

    Yes Karl...No but...Even if...I Understand...it won't happen again. Bye

    Sorry about that CM, where was I? Oh yeah, Hillary bad...DeLay good...More Patriot Act...Fox News...Mainstream media bias...
    MaxiMunK.com The Forum That Asks, "Are You Not Entertained?"

    Remember: "Anyone that thinks the Treo should just work right out of the box, shouldn't own a Treo..."
  4. #44  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    No problem CM. I can see...wait hang on...phone call coming in...

    Yes Karl...No but...Even if...I Understand...it won't happen again. Bye

    Sorry about that CM, where was I? Oh yeah, Hillary bad...DeLay good...More Patriot Act...Fox News...Mainstream media bias...
    lol
    I am sure he [Karl] realizes Delay is a lost cause.
    Last edited by cellmatrix; 04/11/2005 at 03:48 PM.
  5. #45  
    The Hammer is most dangerous when cornered.
  6. #46  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Disagree. Delay is merely the focal point of the Donks/Media fury. (His masterstroke of reapportioning Texas this past election REALLY torqued the usual suspects.) He has done nothing that dozens of other congresscritters haven't been doing for decades. Which doesn't mean it isn't stinky.

    Nothing that hadn't been done? Which Democratic politician enlisted the support of a federal agency (Homeland Security) for political gain?
  7. #47  
    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzi
    Nothing that hadn't been done? Which Democratic politician enlisted the support of a federal agency (Homeland Security) for political gain?
    Hmmmm...let's see. Did you ever wonder who asked for those 900 FBI files on Republicans during the first year or so of the Clinton administration?

    Are you familiar with the term "Pork Barrel Politics"?

    Do you remember when the FBI was called upon to investigate the White House travel office? Do you remember who did that, and why?

    Have you ever wondered why the IRS was called upon to audit the NRA in 1994-95? Did you know that numerous conservative think tanks and organizations were similarily "audited" in that time frame?
  8. #48  
    Although what you say may or may not be true, it has no bearing on whether or not what Delay did was wrong.
  9. #49  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Although what you say may or may not be true, it has no bearing on whether or not what Delay did was wrong.
    Apparently, Bush has enough of him, too, and wants to send him to Palestine?!

    Bush: DeLay for Palestinian state

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3696347.stm
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” (Philip K. ****)
  10. #50  
    Bad Clu, very bad...
    MaxiMunK.com The Forum That Asks, "Are You Not Entertained?"

    Remember: "Anyone that thinks the Treo should just work right out of the box, shouldn't own a Treo..."
  11. #51  
    This is classic...I'm surprised they didn't try to use McCain.

    http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak...t-novak11.html
  12. #52  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Although what you say may or may not be true, it has no bearing on whether or not what Delay did was wrong.
    No. It illustrates that this is business as usual, and for some reason only the Repubs get nailed for it by the MSM.
  13. #53  
    Some more perspective on the Delay persecution

    http://www.nationalreview.com/editor...0504120914.asp

    This last paragraph sums things up nicely for me...

    "Conservative groups have rallied around DeLay, as they should when he is being unfairly attacked. But the Majority Leader should know that even if conservatives reject the Democratic effort to smear and oust him, they are disillusioned to find Republican leaders now so comfortable with the perks of power. You can always choose your friends, and DeLay's supporters cringe to see sleazy insiders like Jack Abramoff profiting from their relationship with him. It is notable that DeLay's lobbying of Representative Smith was part of an effort to pass a massive new entitlement that not too long ago would have turned DeLay's stomach."
  14. #54  
    Even more perspective from USA Today on Tom Delay and the Contract with America.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...11-delay_x.htm

    The closing statement sums things up nicely for me:

    "In their Contract With America, Republicans promised to "restore accountability to Congress" and to "end its cycle of scandal and disgrace." But instead of being accountable, DeLay is shielded from investigation — an action that may ultimately lead to more congressional scandals and disgrace.Eleven years after they swept into power, congressional Republicans appear to be more intent on protecting DeLay than on keeping the promises they made to the American people. That's the corrupting influence of power. DeLay is determined to see that Republicans get their way. If that means threatening federal judges with retribution when their decisions run afoul of the GOP's doctrine, then so be it. If it takes a restructuring of the membership and rules of the Ethics Committee to prevent it from probing his actions, that's a price he and other Republicans have been willing to pay."
    Last edited by cellmatrix; 04/12/2005 at 02:16 PM.
  15. #55  
    One of the things I loved about the Contract with America, besides it being the club with which the democrats were smashed, was that ostensibly it made congress subject to the laws they pass for us. Unfortunately, that hasn't really come to pass.

    But that's OK, because the socialist/democrats have been getting flogged. Power does corrupt absolutely, but at least its my guys exercising the power the Dems held exclusively for 40 years. Now it seems the media wants to hold politicians accountable, like this sort of stuff just started.

    Also, the Ethics committee HAS been investigating Delay. From the NRO article,

    "The second set of allegations was handled by the House Ethics Committee last year. The committee dismissed two charges made by outgoing Democratic representative Chris Bell having to do with DeLay's relationship with an energy company called Westar and his staff's contacting of the Federal Aviation Administration when Texas Democrats were fleeing the state by air to avoid voting on a redistricting plan. It also dismissed a charge having to do with DeLay's strong-arming of Republican representative Nick Smith to try to get him to vote for the prescription-drug bill. The committee did warn DeLay to be more careful, the "admonishment" that has played in the media as an official sanction, which it wasn't."

    This last sentence is telling. In article after article I've read that Delay was censured or sanctioned. That is patently not the case.
  16. #56  
    Delay is hurting his own party. Republicans will clean house soon.
  17. #57  
    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    Delay is hurting his own party. Republicans will clean house soon.
    Delay is under attack by the Dem/media cabal. He has done nothing but behave in the status quo manner we have unfortunately come to accept from our elected representatives. (Turns out that Bernie Sanders, Socialist, VT, used campaign funds to pay his family members. Somehow that doesn't make page one of the WaPo, though. Funded junkets for staff? Nancy Pelosi people got some free rides. And how about Linda Daschle's stellar work as a lobbyist for the aircraft industry? They're still putting people in jail for the tanker lease deal she was working on.)

    If we throw Delay under the bus, the same way we did Lott, they'll just call it a victory and move on to their next target.

    Which isn't to say that I am SICK and TIRED of these people acting in this manner. It may be legal and meet their twisted view of ethics, but it don't play in Peoria. Sometimes I'd rather that 535 names be pulled out of a hat to fill congress.
  18.    #58  
    Apparently Barbara Boxer paid her son $150,000 in 2002 for political work. Yikes.
  19. #59  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Some perspective can be found here....

    http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/frum-diary.asp

    Did you know that Chuck Schumer, the senior senator from NY just paid the biggest FEC fine ever for his campaign financing? Or that one of Hillary's campaign finance gurus is under investigation?

    That doesn't make what Delay may, or may not have, done right, but why aren't we hearing about those indiscretions? (Who can forget the video of Al Gore at the Buddhist temple, taking sequentially numbered money orders from monks?)

    A pox on all their houses!
    Maybe because Delay is attacking the heart of the US Constitution--separation of powers between the executive, congressional, and judiciary branches in addition to attacking the separation of church and state. I love God, but I am swore to defend the Constitution as well. Much of Delays actions seem to be extralegal, including the threats against the judiciary. If he wants change, he should submit an Amendment to the Constitution and take the proper vote IMHO.
    Tony
  20. #60  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Delay is under attack by the Dem/media cabal. He has done nothing but behave in the status quo manner we have unfortunately come to accept from our elected representatives. (Turns out that Bernie Sanders, Socialist, VT, used campaign funds to pay his family members. Somehow that doesn't make page one of the WaPo, though. Funded junkets for staff? Nancy Pelosi people got some free rides. And how about Linda Daschle's stellar work as a lobbyist for the aircraft industry? They're still putting people in jail for the tanker lease deal she was working on.)

    If we throw Delay under the bus, the same way we did Lott, they'll just call it a victory and move on to their next target.

    Which isn't to say that I am SICK and TIRED of these people acting in this manner. It may be legal and meet their twisted view of ethics, but it don't play in Peoria. Sometimes I'd rather that 535 names be pulled out of a hat to fill congress.
    Its fine for me if Delay stays in, the controversy around him will paralyze the GOP agenda which I dont like anyway, and Delay will be the posterboy for what is wrong about the GOP in the next elections.
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