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  1. #161  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    I would take it as fact. But, to throw out political topics about wmd's (most everyone in the world thought Saddam had them), killing innocent civilians (majority are being killed by terrorists), condones torture, etc. This is not fact it is his opinion.
    I can tell you (well not you ATM), that being ex-military (US Army nine years,) and having been in combat (Desert Shield/Storm), our military goes out of it's way to limit civillian casualities (unlike...oh, most Terroristic organizations you can name.) If we had such a blatant disregard for civillian life that some give the impression that we do, we could have ended pretty much all of our current conflicts in about a week.
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  2. #162  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    I can tell you (well not you ATM), that being ex-military (US Army nine years,) and having been in combat (Desert Shield/Storm), our military goes out of it's way to limit civillian casualities (unlike...oh, most Terroristic organizations you can name.) If we had such a blatant disregard for civillian life that some give the impression that we do, we could have ended pretty much all of our current conflicts in about a week.
    I guess this is true. But still, even modest estimates say there were about 10'000 to 20'000 civilian deaths during the invasion of Iraq by US troops, that would still be more than were killed by the terrorists so far (in response to ATM's post).
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  3. #163  
    ...and the Swisserville spin machine goes on and on
    Well behaved women rarely make history
  4.    #164  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    ...and the Swisserville spin machine goes on and on
    brilliant contribution.
  5.    #165  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    This is not fact it is his opinion.

    Please post a link regarding your quote...
    I clearly identified this as opinion by the telltale "I think..." that preceeded my statement.

    Perhaps in your eagerness to attack my statement, you overlooked that it was my opinion.
  6.    #166  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    Nudist, you offer only opinions not facts.
    I am curious why you did not attack Toolkit's statement, which I was agreeing with. Very selective.
  7. #167  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    Please post a link regarding your quote...
    All the stats are from www.nationmaster.com. You can find most examples here: http://www.nationmaster.com/top_stats.php (you may want to select "OECD (developed) countries" and/or "per capita" to get a better comparison in some cases).

    You specifically mentioned the health topics. Those you can find under category Health, then


    Health care funding total (female and male), per capita
    Life expectancy at birth - total population
    Infant mortality rate

    You can also take other indicators, e.g.

    Live expectancy - Years lived in good health, female

    So from looking at those numbers, you pay most, but you get little in return. I have no idea why this is so. I know that e.g. prices for medication are highest in the US, so you pay much more for the same pills than Europeans, but this alone can hardly make such a big difference. I guess the fact that many people don't have a proper health insurance has a big influence on the overall health situation: people wait too long before going to the doctor.

    I also don't know why homicide, rape, assault are much higher than in Europe. Any ideas?

    I guess other factors can be explained: the focus on sex abstinence instead of contraception leads to record high teenage pregnancy rates as well as record high abortion rates, when compared to other developed nations. That's not the intention, but that's what results, if you ask me... any other explanations?
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  8. #168  
    Quote Originally Posted by nudist
    I am curious why you did not attack Toolkit's statement, which I was agreeing with. Very selective.
    Probably because I am not american so I am allowed to critisize it
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  9. #169  
    I agree, "I think" would be an opinion.

    I wasn't attacking, I was replying to your post.

    Quote Originally Posted by nudist
    I clearly identified this as opinion by the telltale "I think..." that preceeded my statement.

    Perhaps in your eagerness to attack my statement, you overlooked that it was my opinion.
  10. #170  
    I wasn't attacking, so worthless to respond.

    Quote Originally Posted by nudist
    I am curious why you did not attack Toolkit's statement, which I was agreeing with. Very selective.
  11. #171  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    ...and the Swisserville spin machine goes on and on
    Speaking of a Swisserville Spin Machine, my favorite ride at Disneyland has always been the Matterhorn.
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  12. #172  
    Quote Originally Posted by nudist
    brilliant contribution.
    Give it a rest...and go put some clothes on.
    Well behaved women rarely make history
  13. #173  
    Quite shocked about the infant mortality rates of the US. It sucks.

    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    All the stats are from www.nationmaster.com. You can find most examples here: http://www.nationmaster.com/top_stats.php (you may want to select "OECD (developed) countries" and/or "per capita" to get a better comparison in some cases).

    You specifically mentioned the health topics. Those you can find under category Health, then


    Health care funding total (female and male), per capita
    Life expectancy at birth - total population
    Infant mortality rate

    You can also take other indicators, e.g.

    Live expectancy - Years lived in good health, female

    So from looking at those numbers, you pay most, but you get little in return. I have no idea why this is so. I know that e.g. prices for medication are highest in the US, so you pay much more for the same pills than Europeans, but this alone can hardly make such a big difference. I guess the fact that many people don't have a proper health insurance has a big influence on the overall health situation: people wait too long before going to the doctor.

    I also don't know why homicide, rape, assault are much higher than in Europe. Any ideas?

    I guess other factors can be explained: the focus on sex abstinence instead of contraception leads to record high teenage pregnancy rates as well as record high abortion rates, when compared to other developed nations. That's not the intention, but that's what results, if you ask me... any other explanations?
  14. #174  
    Amazing people don't understand this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    If we had such a blatant disregard for civillian life that some give the impression that we do, we could have ended pretty much all of our current conflicts in about a week.
  15. #175  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    Amazing people don't understand this.
    I do understand it, and I don't blame the military, I blame the leaders that decide to invade.
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  16. #176  
    So you blame the leaders who decide to liberate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    I do understand it, and I don't blame the military, I blame the leaders that decide to invade.
  17. #177  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    I do understand it, and I don't blame the military, I blame the leaders that decide to invade.
    FDR/Eisenhower??
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  18. #178  
    Quote Originally Posted by Joebar
    Not per capita, though! Pitty poor Luxembourg.
  19.    #179  
    Quote Originally Posted by Joebar
    Rush Limbaugh obviously boosted our numbers......
  20. #180  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    ...and the Swisserville spin machine goes on and on
    Well you have to do something to get your voice out in world politics when you are not a country that will get involved in a moral cause.

    BTW, I am shocked to hear that Switzerland didn't settle up on all the victims plunder with Israel until 7 years ago?!? No wonder why everything is so nice in Switzerland. Their excellent law enforcement, health and education system have been funded off the interest from dead people's gold fillings and jewelry for the past 50+ years. It must be nice to have such good service and low taxes.
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