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    For all of you ACLU bashers who think the organization is against religion, please read:

    Following Threat of ACLU of Virginia Lawsuit, Officials to Agree Not to Ban Baptisms in Public Parks
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    OK. The ACLU supports religious ceremonies in government parks, but opposes posting the 10 Commandants in government buildings? Why is it that the ACLU has gone after the Boy Scouts so hard for holding their meetings in public parks? Balboa Park in San Diego leaps to mind...the ACLU was instrumental in getting them banned from that facility.

    Also, I note that this was the ACLU of Virginia...I wonder if the ACLU's corporate bureau weighed in on this?

    Finally, the ACLU will never, NEVER be able to wash away the stain of their defense of NAMBLA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Finally, the ACLU will never, NEVER be able to wash away the stain of their defense of NAMBLA.
    Well, it's not so much that they defended them, but the circumstances of the case, which makes it do disgusting. Of all the cases out there, they choose to defend two convicted child molestor/killers (they tried to molest a 10 year old boy, and eventually smothered him to death and through his body in a river.)
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    Holy Crap! Are you two whacked. The NAMBLA case involved the ACLU defending NAMBLA as the parents of the murdered victim claimed the NAMBLA website MADE the attacker attack.

    Jeebus! Try some personal responsibility there.
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    Holy Crap yourself! The NAMBLA website contained tips on how to meet and seduce boys.

    Also, have you ever heard of a guy named Tom Metzger? He lived in Fallbrook, CA at one time. He is/was a major league white supremacist nutjob. Anyway, his acolytes, inspired by his rantings, killed an Eithiopian immigrant. The ACLU, the ADL and the Southern Poverty Law Center successfully sued the living bejeez out of Metzger for creating the murderous climate. So then why can't NAMBLA be held to the same standard?

    (Edited for accuracy. I conflated another incident with the one Metzger was involved in.)
    Last edited by 1911sforever; 03/04/2005 at 05:04 PM.
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    I can't find a marginally legitimate source putting the ACLU against Metzger. Please cite.
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    Like I thought. You heard some ***** red-neck utter that and glommed onto it as a kernal of truth in your warped opinion of the aclu. Regarding the defense of unpopular speech the aclu says it best themselves:
    -In the United States Supreme Court over the past few years, the American Civil Liberties Union has taken the side of a fundamentalist Christian church, a Santerian church, and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. In celebrated cases, the ACLU has stood up for everyone from Oliver North to the National Socialist Party. In spite of all that, the ACLU has never advocated Christianity, ritual animal sacrifice, trading arms for hostages or genocide. In representing NAMBLA today, our Massachusetts affiliate does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children.

    What the ACLU does advocate is robust freedom of speech for everyone. The lawsuit involved here, were it to succeed, would strike at the heart of freedom of speech. The case is based on a shocking murder. But the lawsuit says the crime is the responsibility not of those who committed the murder, but of someone who posted vile material on the Internet. The principle is as simple as it is central to true freedom of speech: those who do wrong are responsible for what they do; those who speak about it are not.

    It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. That was true when the Nazis marched in Skokie. It remains true today.
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    Watch your tone. "...some ***** red neck" is not appropriate language to bring to an honest debate. If you want to get into the mud and name call by association, well, I can go there, but I'd prefer not.

    As it turns out, I was wrong, but not for the reason you cite. ACLU actually filed a brief in defense of Metzger, which was rejected by the court.

    These events were over ten years ago, and I was running off of memory. It would seem then that the ACLU is consistent in their position of defending those who incite racist violence and those that instruct others on how to seduce little boys.
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    Yea, well you can't blame speech for action. Any responsible adult knows one is responsible for their OWN actions, whjich includes yelling fire in a crowded movie theater.
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    ACLU does more bad than good.

    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    For all of you ACLU bashers who think the organization is against religion, please read:

    Following Threat of ACLU of Virginia Lawsuit, Officials to Agree Not to Ban Baptisms in Public Parks
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    everybody at some time needs the aclu. you may not realize it.
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    Yes. They've done wonderful work representing enemy combatants bent upon killing thousands of us.

    Here's a question...is all speech morally equivalent?
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    No one needs the ACLU. Our country is designed to have lawsmade by our legislature, not by our court and lawyers. Rule by nine (Supreme court) or rule by a court that can change the law through its opinion is not what our country needs. No one needs the ACLU. If you think you do, I suggest you contact your legislataive representative. Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Holy Crap! Are you two whacked. The NAMBLA case involved the ACLU defending NAMBLA as the parents of the murdered victim claimed the NAMBLA website MADE the attacker attack.

    Jeebus! Try some personal responsibility there.
    Actually you're right DA. I didn't fully explain the case (not out of dishonesty, rather the circumstances leading to the lawauit just burned my ***, and i posted in a bit of an angry mood)

    It was a civil case in which the parents alledged the boys killers (they were convicted, as I mentioned above) were very familiar with NAMBLA publications, as well going to the NAMBLA site immediately before they met the boy, and as such the parents held NAMBLA partially responsible.

    However, the ACLU has any number of cases they can choose to defend. Why of all cases this one? NAMBLA (and advocating sex with young boys) may be protected by free speech, but having sex with children is still a crime in this country. There is nothing positive I can think to say of that organization (NAMBLA), and to associate with them (with legal council) seems abhorrant
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    Quote Originally Posted by morrie
    everybody at some time needs the aclu. you may not realize it.

    After years of bashing them, Rush couldn't rush fast enough to hide behind them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    ACLU does more bad than good.

    You do realize that their sole purpose is to defend the Bill of Rights, right?

    That's a bad thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Yes. They've done wonderful work representing enemy combatants bent upon killing thousands of us.

    Here's a question...is all speech morally equivalent?

    To live in a free society, all speech, even unpopular speech, must be protected.

    It has nothing to do with morals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger
    Our country is designed to have lawsmade by our legislature, not by our court and lawyers.


    Funny you should write that since the majority of them are lawyers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bouncer
    To live in a free society, all speech, even unpopular speech, must be protected.

    It has nothing to do with morals.
    I'm not talking speech here. I'm talking about their working to hard to extend constitutional protections to armed enemy combatants that are sworn to kill as many Americans as they can.

    Also, ACLU filed an amicus brief in Rush's case...I doubt that he sought their help.
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    well thats not like them must be a southern thing
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